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    Re: Offseason 2013/14

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    I don't share people's confidence that things will be different under a "better coach". Sure we have not had a successful year by bronco standards but I'm not sure how any of us can compare those apples and oranges.as far as I'm concerned a coach only get players to buy into a culture , and I'm not sure AG is far from the mark in this regard. I know when I played if there was a problem with the coach, it's normally the players you lose first.
    You do have a point, but I think it is a bit of both with our club.

    Look at what Robinson has done at the roosters, sure, he has the cattle, but he also has turned them from a bunch of lazy pricks into the hardest working forward pack in the comp. A good coach is the easier way of making a difference, changing all the playing staff much harder.

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    I agree . But it's hard to make judgements from a distance. I reckon SBW has leaked into that group.

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    Re: Offseason 2013/14

    [QUOTE=Socnorb;2537297]I don't share people's confidence that things will be different under a "better coach". Sure we have not had a successful year by bronco standards but I'm not sure how any of us can compare those apples and oranges.as far as I'm concerned a coach only get players to buy into a culture , and I'm not sure AG is far from the mark in this regard. I know when I played if there was a problem with the coach, it's normally the players you lose first.[/


    Well, we have the same coach albeit a different coaching staff, and for mine, it is their job to create a football team who, by the their performance as a team, create a winning culture where it matters: on the field.

    At at this point in time, my view is that we have a bunch of players in search of a team. Get that right, and you're on the way to a culture worth buying into
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    Re: Offseason 2013/14

    Quote Originally Posted by Socnorb View Post
    I don't share people's confidence that things will be different under a "better coach". Sure we have not had a successful year by bronco standards but I'm not sure how any of us can compare those apples and oranges.as far as I'm concerned a coach only get players to buy into a culture , and I'm not sure AG is far from the mark in this regard. I know when I played if there was a problem with the coach, it's normally the players you lose first.
    As someone on these forums who is associated with the broncos alluded to Griffin couldn't motivate the players this year. IMO the reason the players wont turn on him is because they were all being picked regardless of their subpar performances. If Griffin befriends his players fair enough, but not to the point where you are choosing loyalty over quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socnorb View Post
    I don't share people's confidence that things will be different under a "better coach". Sure we have not had a successful year by bronco standards but I'm not sure how any of us can compare those apples and oranges.as far as I'm concerned a coach only get players to buy into a culture , and I'm not sure AG is far from the mark in this regard. I know when I played if there was a problem with the coach, it's normally the players you lose first.[/


    Well, we have the same coach albeit a different coaching staff, and for mine, it is their job to create a football team who, by the their performance as a team, create a winning culture where it matters: on the field.

    At at this point in time, my view is that we have a bunch of players in search of a team. Get that right, and you're on the way to a culture worth buying into
    yes. well put. Let's not forget we were competitive , mostly,with the better sides this year, with players out of position and lacking any real strike power JH aside. Roosters only put 1 try on us. I think we're closer than we think. In short I think there are few degrees between success and failure in this competition.

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    As someone on these forums who is associated with the broncos alluded to Griffin couldn't motivate the players this year. IMO the reason the players wont turn on him is because they were all being picked regardless of their subpar performances. If Griffin befriends his players fair enough, but not to the point where you are choosing loyalty over quality.
    I agree , it's ultimately the administrations responsibility to create this culture. I think it comes down to self belief and belief in the team. This is the last few % between 4th and 12th. These players are all very competitive. They have to be to reach the level that they have, but we all know that this game is played between the ears. I think it will be interesting to see must a small change of playing roster will do for the belief of the side . If it does have the effect I think will , we will all owe Hook an apology, myself included.

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    Re: Offseason 2013/14

    Quote Originally Posted by Socnorb View Post
    I agree , it's ultimately the administrations responsibility to create this culture. I think it comes down to self belief and belief in the team. This is the last few % between 4th and 12th. These players are all very competitive. They have to be to reach the level that they have, but we all know that this game is played between the ears. I think it will be interesting to see must a small change of playing roster will do for the belief of the side . If it does have the effect I think will , we will all owe Hook an apology, myself included.
    He does not deserve an apology, because he has dished up 2 awful seasons. He was nothing but incompetent this year.

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    Re: Offseason 2013/14

    Remember to change your pessimism if he does well.

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    Fingers crossed Griffin's new assistants address our overall lack of fitness. If we can lift the squad to perform for 80 minutes results will improve quickly, imo.

    We still need a decent half to partner Hunt. That's the main concern.

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    Re: Offseason 2013/14

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    Remember to change your pessimism if he does well.
    I'll try, but regardless i don't see him as long term coach.

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    I think the players become complacent because they know there isn't someone knocking on the door wanting there position. If there is depth in all positions and Griffin drops players when they don't perform you will find a different more hungry team which is exactly what the roosters and Souths are

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    Bang on Maddo. Roster, Roster, Roster .another good post. You're on fire mate.

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    Re: Offseason 2013/14

    Quote Originally Posted by maddo View Post
    I think the players become complacent because they know there isn't someone knocking on the door wanting there position. If there is depth in all positions and Griffin drops players when they don't perform you will find a different more hungry team which is exactly what the roosters and Souths are
    Nailed it! Nice post man

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    Re: Offseason 2013/14

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    whether we make the finals or not depends almost entirely on the coaching staff, not any individual player
    Well I was just about to say that the Broncos seemingly made a bunch of positive off-field changes.

    Obviously you need a little bit of both but players like Barba and Milford can make a huge difference.

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    Re: Offseason 2013/14

    2014 Gains: Ben Barba (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs, 2016), Martin Kennedy (Sydney Roosters, 2016)

    2014 Losses: Delroy Berryman (Manly Sea Eagles), Luke Capewell (Penrith Panthers), Corey Norman (Parramatta Eels), Scott Prince (retired), Lama Tasi (Salford Red Devils), Peter Wallace (Penrith Panthers)

    Re-Signed: Matt Gillett (2016), Jake Granville (2014), Ben Hunt (2015), Jack Reed (2017), Ashley Taylor (2016)

    Off Contract 2013: Joe Bond, Jordan Drew, Liam Georgetown, Denan Kemp, Brendon Gibb, Lachlan Maranta, Nick Slyney, Jarrod Wallace, Aaron Whitchurch, Scott Anderson, Kurt Baptiste, Dale Copley, Mitchell Dodds, Dunamis Lui, Cameron Cullen, Luke Dalziel-Don, Chris McLean, Francis Molo, Caleb Timu


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    It would've been very good for Thiaday if he missed selection in the Kangaroos squad for the World Cup. It would've sent him the message in a bitter way that he isn't performing as well as he can be at club level and he needs to lift his game considerably if he is to be considered, most likely he would comeback the next season and absolutely play his guts out and play at his potential.
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    Re: Offseason 2013/14

    Anyone notice how highly thaiday polled in the dally m backrower. Second, ahead of sbw

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    Anyone notice how highly thaiday polled in the dally m backrower. Second, ahead of sbw

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    Thats an insult to SBW and any other secondrower that was actually in form.
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    2014 Broncos Season

    Thought I'd start a thread that encompassed the whole 2014 season.

    Interesting notes from the first day of training. McCullough wins the beep test. Guess who comes second - Hannant!!! Barba offered counselling by the club (as you'd expect).

    Ben Barba begins pre-season training with Brisbane Broncos, offered counselling by club | News.com.au

    BRISBANE coach Anthony Griffin says the club will offer counselling to Ben Barba to ensure the big-name recruit does not go off the rails in his career-defining move to the Broncos.

    Barba was among several fresh faces to report for the start of Brisbane's pre-season on Wednesday morning, with Stewart Mills (Cronulla) and Todd Lowrie (Warriors) also meeting their new Broncos teammates.
    Hooker Andrew McCullough stole the show at Purtell Park, winning the beep test to be crowned Brisbane's fittest man, while prop Ben Hannant also impressed, finishing second.
    Several of the club's big guns were absent, with Sam Thaiday and Corey Parker on World Cup duty, while ace centre Justin Hodges is recovering from a ruptured Achilles.
    But all eyes were on Barba, who did some light running in isolation as he recovers from ankle surgery following the finals mishap that ended his career at Canterbury on a sombre note.
    The fullback sensation applied ice to his ankle after the session, but it was only precautionary, with Barba ahead of schedule and eyeing a return to full-time training in early December.
    For now, Griffin insists Barba's mental health is of equal concern. The 24-year-old admits he "lost control of who I was" during his nightmare 2013 campaign at the Bulldogs, and the Broncos are ready to provide professional help to ensure Barba flourishes on and off the field.

    "If he requires that (counselling) ... yep, we'll obviously help with that," Griffin said.

    "I know Paul White (Broncos CEO) and Andrew Gee (operations chief) have been in constant contact with Ben and his family to make sure they are settling in well.
    "As with any of our other players, whatever they require, we'll make sure he has everything he needs to make sure he is happy and plays his best footy.
    "We would like to think we look after our players and whether it's Ben Barba or anyone else, we make sure they are catered for."
    Griffin is pleased with the manner in which Barba has adjusted to life at his new club, but is wary of placing too much pressure on the Queensland Origin hopeful.
    "It's nice to see to him here, he is ahead of schedule with his recovery," he said.
    "The key for Ben is that he just concentrates on his recovery and we all don't get ahead of ourselves and start talking about what he might or might not do on the field.
    "He's had a tough year both physically and emotionally, he has been with the Bulldogs for a long time and he's at a new club. The real key is to make sure we look after him on and off the field.
    "He is doing a good job settling in, he has been helping our development people at clinics so he is already making a contribution. He is settling in well with his family.


    "There is no pressure or expectations on him."
    Griffin is confident Barba's arrival will not force Josh Hoffman out of the club, despite the Kiwi Test fullback conveying his disenchantment prior to his departure to the World Cup.
    "I'm not concerned, no," Griffin said.
    "The only thing I keep saying about that issue is that no matter who it is, whether it is Josh Hoffman or Ben Barba, they are players in a team and they will play where it best suits their team at the time.
    "That is as clear as I can make it. We are a team here, everyone is accountable to each other and I will pick the team on what I think best suits at the time.
    "The rest will take care of itself."
    Griffin said he was impressed with the fitness of his troops, who have been issued a program by new high-performance manager Alex Corvo.
    "Alex has been in contact with them via email since he has had the job and they have all been given targets and some preliminary work before they got here," he said.
    "It was a little fitness test for them today and this group probably won't hit full training until Monday.
    "It was just about testing them today.
    "They did really well, they hit a pretty good mark, it's one of those things they have to go through every year, you have to start somewhere and they all did a pretty good job today."

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