THE BOSS Maguire Stomped The Naysayers! But...8 Months Later, Here We Are.

Ondi said:
I think a fair amount of blame has to fall on our leadership group at this point. Like so many of us pointed out. There is no talk on the field, no laying down the law (the women do this at training let alone the actual game. It was one of my main takeaways watching last seasons training sessions).

I don't like Madge but for how long this is going on it has to start with our leadership group and then go from there. We need a leader.
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💯 it is astounding that our on-field leader has hardly felt any heat for the team’s lack of fight, discipline, direction, you name it .. don’t know how the media etc can’t see it

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I can't be the only one sitting here thinking how we'd be going if Kev were still the coach.

I haven't come up with anything that indicates we'd be doing worse, which isn't a high marker but it does make you wonder if we backed the right horse.
 
BroncosFever said:
I can't be the only one sitting here thinking how we'd be going if Kev were still the coach.

I haven't come up with anything that indicates we'd be doing worse, which isn't a high marker but it does make you wonder if we backed the right horse.
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If the club had listened to the voices from the stand, Kevvie would've been given the start of the season, which is now, we'd be languishing near the bottom of the table, and Trent Barrett would be our new interim coach.
 
BroncosFever said:
I can't be the only one sitting here thinking how we'd be going if Kev were still the coach.

I haven't come up with anything that indicates we'd be doing worse, which isn't a high marker but it does make you wonder if we backed the right horse.
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Nope not me. I wasn't a fan of Kev but thought he should/would get this year to sort it out.
The club has moved on and has to back their guy.
The thing is we won't be going backwards to Kev , if the media get their man and Madge gets moved on then you have to have a better option.
Not sure who that would be.
The squad needs a big reconfigure.

Out
Goz
Baker
Jhunt
Paix
Smoothy
Rogers
Hetherington
Madden
Taupau
Arey

Downgrades
Staggs
Cobbo

If we go to market and get a couple of starting backrowers that will go a long way to fixing things quickly.
 
BroncosFever said:
I can't be the only one sitting here thinking how we'd be going if Kev were still the coach.

I haven't come up with anything that indicates we'd be doing worse, which isn't a high marker but it does make you wonder if we backed the right horse.
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I think this year is a delicate year for the broncos... mostly because of how many players are off contract this year and also next year. I think there's like 20 players off contract over the next couple years and big decisions have to be made.

If the club had concerns about Kevvie, then you don't necessarily want him making roster decisions that effectively lock you into the next 3yrs, because that would hamstring the next guy that might have to come in.

So you pull the plug early, especially if you can see a guy on the market that you want.

My issue with the club is who is the footy mind that is overseeing where the club is at.

There aren't many coaches in the league that can double up as a manager of football.. it's basically Wayne and Bellamy.

Uncle Nick does it for rorters... mostly by throwing money at any problems Robbo comes to him with... also uses his vast amount of contacts across the league.

Gus setup the panthers and has now sorted out dogs.

I thought Ikin was our guy, but Kevvie saw to him getting ousted... so who is left at the club that can look at the football department and actually assess if it's heading in the right direction.

Who in the club does a review on the season / watches over the day to day running and reports back to the CEO / Board about what's happening and if changes are needed.

They also need to have an ear to the ground on best practices at other clubs and if we are doing it.

Lockyer being on the board could be that guy, but I don't think he's doing it at all... or if he wants to do it or is even capable of doing it.

Lockyer doesn't seem like he's some junior Gus that has ideas on how the club should operate.
 
BroncosFever said:
I can't be the only one sitting here thinking how we'd be going if Kev were still the coach.

I haven't come up with anything that indicates we'd be doing worse, which isn't a high marker but it does make you wonder if we backed the right horse.
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Ummm that would be me. I have gone back and forth on this in my mind but we are favouring the good times here I think.

I really had to remind myself of what happened those final few months of the season. I could barely get through his press conferences and Reynolds looks exactly the same now as he did sitting next to Kev then. Maybe we swung too far the other way with the coaching style? Who knows but there are a lot of issues to work through it's fair to say.

Kev brought us back and was soooo close to being a god but Cleary snuffed that. I'm grateful to Kev for what he achieved. The players shut the door on him also I'm afraid.
 
Because of Kevvie worried that Ikin had more power than himself, he got Ikin shafted.

I am sure Ikin would have already tapped players on the shoulder & said piss off. (but in a nicer way)

Kevvie always got his mates to bag the club, when things were going against him.

Not missing him, not wanting him back.
 
Ondi said:
Ummm that would be me. I have gone back and forth on this in my mind but we are favouring the good times here I think.

I really had to remind myself of what happened those final few months of the season. I could barely get through his press conferences and Reynolds looks exactly the same now as he did sitting next to Kev then. Maybe we swung too far the other way with the coaching style? Who knows but there are a lot of issues to work through it's fair to say.

Kev brought us back and was soooo close to being a god but Cleary snuffed that. I'm grateful to Kev for what he achieved. The players shut the door on him also I'm afraid.
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My memory of Kev's last month or two was his press conferences. Went from "i have no idea what's wrong with this team" to "We'll make the finals". It DEFINITELY looked like he was clueless in the end. You couldn't keep him on after that.

Madge isn't at that point. I know we don't have the cattle but I WANT to see changes.
 
BroncsFan said:
I think this year is a delicate year for the broncos... mostly because of how many players are off contract this year and also next year. I think there's like 20 players off contract over the next couple years and big decisions have to be made.

If the club had concerns about Kevvie, then you don't necessarily want him making roster decisions that effectively lock you into the next 3yrs, because that would hamstring the next guy that might have to come in.

So you pull the plug early, especially if you can see a guy on the market that you want.

My issue with the club is who is the footy mind that is overseeing where the club is at.

There aren't many coaches in the league that can double up as a manager of football.. it's basically Wayne and Bellamy.

Uncle Nick does it for rorters... mostly by throwing money at any problems Robbo comes to him with... also uses his vast amount of contacts across the league.

Gus setup the panthers and has now sorted out dogs.

I thought Ikin was our guy, but Kevvie saw to him getting ousted... so who is left at the club that can look at the football department and actually assess if it's heading in the right direction.

Who in the club does a review on the season / watches over the day to day running and reports back to the CEO / Board about what's happening and if changes are needed.

They also need to have an ear to the ground on best practices at other clubs and if we are doing it.

Lockyer being on the board could be that guy, but I don't think he's doing it at all... or if he wants to do it or is even capable of doing it.

Lockyer doesn't seem like he's some junior Gus that has ideas on how the club should operate.
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Didn't we bring in that head of high performance dude to basically do this? Where has he been? Haven't heard anything about him since he was appointed, no idea what he's doing.
 
Sproj said:
Didn't we bring in that head of high performance dude to basically do this? Where has he been? Haven't heard anything about him since he was appointed, no idea what he's doing.
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I can recall the role, but to me it sounded like a team manager, which is basically what Steve Walters was doing... ie logistics, team travel, etc. If the players want something go to the team manager and he'll sort it out for you.

In his previous roles he was high performance for Qld and Australia (I believe?) so I think there was also talk that he might also be overseeing that department??

Even if it may have been worded as a head of football I don't think it was a Gus style head of football.

I think our head of football is just always whoever our coach is, which is fine when it's Wayne, but has been less fine when it's literally anyone else.

So to me Madge is our Head of Football... my question is who is reviewing and evaluating Madge's performance... which would be the same question for Kevvie, Seibold, etc.

Because if it's not someone specific in the club, then it means it's left to the CEO and Board to evaluate, and the only one with football knowledge amongst them is Lockyer... but he doesn't seem like he's all that concerned with the current football meta, high performance, assistant coaches, grass roots development, etc. so they might ask him, but not sure it's his decision that solely determines things... he's just "the footy guy" on the board.
 
Harry said:
I think the biggest element of this is the confusion. This is the same team and personnel that towelled up the otherwise-unbeaten Bulldogs a couple of weeks ago.
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For half a game .
Lost the 2nd half .
 
Kevvie went because he wasnt good enough ultimately. We really shouldn't second guess that decision simply because Maguire isn't showing much right now. If he's not the right man for the job, then we should be looking at the ones who made the decision to appoint him.

We accept too much mediocrity around the club. We seem obsessed with not losing our big names instead of looking at what the team actually needs and recruiting accordingly. Haas and Walsh are our biggest earners, but we are no closer to winning a grand final even as good as they can be. They dont make enough of a difference even though at least one of them is one of the very best in his position.

We need to start building a team that works together and functions together. We have some really talented players, but i have my doubts that they gel together as well as they could.
 
_wwong said:
The only players Gordie probably talks to are the titans. He’s full of crap.
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Maybe true, but some of our players live on the Gold Coast and socialize with Titans.
 
Wolfie said:
Kevvie went because he wasnt good enough ultimately. We really shouldn't second guess that decision simply because Maguire isn't showing much right now. If he's not the right man for the job, then we should be looking at the ones who made the decision to appoint him.

We accept too much mediocrity around the club. We seem obsessed with not losing our big names instead of looking at what the team actually needs and recruiting accordingly. Haas and Walsh are our biggest earners, but we are no closer to winning a grand final even as good as they can be. They dont make enough of a difference even though at least one of them is one of the very best in his position.

We need to start building a team that works together and functions together. We have some really talented players, but i have my doubts that they gel together as well as they could.
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We need a team of no frills, pull your socks up and work too lay a foundation for Walsh and Ezra too finish it off.

Patty, Payne, Walsh and Ezra and hopefully mozer. Just get rid of the rest that are on overs.
 
If we do actually fall apart again this season then we can say with confidence that the coach isn't the issue. The club went out and got the best available coach and the group didn't respond. The majority on this forum praised the club's swift removal of Kev and Madge's appointment, so let's not try and monday morning quarterback the decision making there.

Assuming we do fail to fire this year then we need to do a mass player clean out. Get Arey signed up on a budget contract (and be prepared to drop him if he continues his downward spiral), but let everyone else go and sign a 2rf (I want fifi, but I won't whinge if we get someone else because of supposed attitude problems) and frf depth. Our future is Mam, Mozer, Walsh and, with the exception of Mozer who is rumoured to be a done deal, they are all signed up long term - put workers like Shiba around them like Melb do and think about getting someone like Sexton in to replace Arey/ Bhunt.
 
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