PRE-GAME Round 3 - Tigers vs Broncos

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Well everyone knows I want Tagger to come on after 20 with Sims. I reckon having 300 plus games of experience replace the enthusiastic but inexperienced starters TPJ and Lodge, would be perfect. Two hard nuts to keep the roll on. They'd do it too. With Offa Sua and others ( No more Thaiday please )to choose from we look as though we're well served.

From the stats I've seen on Melbourne, particularly their errors I don't want to overate the win by the Tigpies. Nevertheless, a win over Melbourne, even an early season one must be respected. We definitely will need our A game and cannot expect anything less than a tough as teak contest.
 
Sproj said:
Oppa HAS to be centre, he was the glue missing on that side for sure. As much as @Foordy will hate me for saying it, Reed was one of the most underrated components of that 2015 GF side, his defense and ability to set up his outside man was top notch, his lack of speed was not a real issue overall.
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So Bird to reserve grade, seeing as though he isn’t allowed to play lock either?
 
As many mistakes as Storm made, the refs did their best to keep them in the contest. The penalties by the end were unlike anything I've ever seen.

If the right Broncos show up, then we'll be in for a solid win however.
 
Broncapz said:
As many mistakes as Storm made, the refs did their best to keep them in the contest. The penalties by the end were unlike anything I've ever seen.

If the right Broncos show up, then we'll be in for a solid win however.
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They were but the Tigers went crazy. Everyone of those penalties against them were legit.

They took the ‘giving away of a penalty instead of a try’ tactic to a whole new level. They were lucky they only got one sin binned, to be honest.
 
Bird must not return yet. We have to have patience and give him a few weeks. Tommygun can hold his own at centre and was very impressed with him (all be it the kamikaze shoot out from the line).
 
Gee the Dogs must be ordinary LOL......

Tigers defence in the last 2 games has been excellent but it's not like they have had much thrown at them.
Last week the chooks opted for 2 when they were 20mtrs out against 12 men, WTF?
Last night, Melb looked like us last week.
If we attack half as good as we did against NQ we will blow them out of the water because they have got SFA in attack.
 
Jason Simmons said:
They were but the Tigers went crazy. Everyone of those penalties against them were legit.

They took the ‘giving away of a penalty instead of a try’ tactic to a whole new level. They were lucky they only got one sin binned, to be honest.
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the tactics adopted by the tigers were melbourne storm tactics - only difference is when smith and the storm lay around the ruck and slow the play the ball down they somehow get away with it.
 
Teams need to start going for the 6 points rather than 2 against this style of defence.

Roosters played a similar style of defence when they last won the comp. They were the number one penalised team in the comp, yet were the dominant team all year. And the other teams let them get away with it.

If there is one thing WB/Boyd absolutely don't get right, it is their maths on :

1) when to take the tap (both in terms of stage of game, and momentum) and
2) at what point-differential to take the tap.

It was bizarre watching Smith taking penalties against a 12 man side, late in the game.

The thinking, at present, is

a) 75% for a 2 (1.5 points total gain) is better than
b) 20% for a 5 (average of conversion rate plus red zone strike rate) (1 point total gain).

It also doesn't take into consideration the improved strike rate at the back end of halves when the opposition is up against a repeat set. Nor the psychological consideration of going up by 6.

Benji's penalty late in the game was deliberate, and he should have been binned as well. The tigers were over the moon when Smith took the kick after it.
 
badyon said:
Teams need to start going for the 6 points rather than 2 against this style of defence.

Roosters played a similar style of defence when they last won the comp. They were the number one penalised team in the comp, yet were the dominant team all year. And the other teams let them get away with it.

If there is one thing WB/Boyd absolutely don't get right, it is their maths on :

1) when to take the tap (both in terms of stage of game, and momentum) and
2) at what point-differential to take the tap.

It was bizarre watching Smith taking penalties against a 12 man side, late in the game.

The thinking, at present, is

a) 75% for a 2 (1.5 points total gain) is better than
b) 20% for a 5 (average of conversion rate plus red zone strike rate) (1 point total gain).

It also doesn't take into consideration the improved strike rate at the back end of halves when the opposition is up against a repeat set. Nor the psychological consideration of going up by 6.

Benji's penalty late in the game was deliberate, and he should have been binned as well. The tigers were over the moon when Smith took the kick after it.
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It reeks of lack of confidence in finishing. I think they are more inclined to take the 2 when key players are making momentum shifting mistakes.

Broncos are guilty of this too, seriously frustrating our tendency to take the two when a try seems like it's on.
 
Jason Simmons said:
They were but the Tigers went crazy. Everyone of those penalties against them were legit.

They took the ‘giving away of a penalty instead of a try’ tactic to a whole new level. They were lucky they only got one sin binned, to be honest.
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So the penalty where Smith took the quick tap ran into matulino and fell on the ground was warranted as was the resulting sin bin.
 
badyon said:
Teams need to start going for the 6 points rather than 2 against this style of defence.

Roosters played a similar style of defence when they last won the comp. They were the number one penalised team in the comp, yet were the dominant team all year. And the other teams let them get away with it.

If there is one thing WB/Boyd absolutely don't get right, it is their maths on :

1) when to take the tap (both in terms of stage of game, and momentum) and
2) at what point-differential to take the tap.

It was bizarre watching Smith taking penalties against a 12 man side, late in the game.

The thinking, at present, is

a) 75% for a 2 (1.5 points total gain) is better than
b) 20% for a 5 (average of conversion rate plus red zone strike rate) (1 point total gain).

It also doesn't take into consideration the improved strike rate at the back end of halves when the opposition is up against a repeat set. Nor the psychological consideration of going up by 6.

Benji's penalty late in the game was deliberate, and he should have been binned as well. The tigers were over the moon when Smith took the kick after it.
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Like the analysis but would prefer to see hard data on the maths.

As for all defensive penalties inside the attacking 20. Like it to be an automatic 2 minute exclusion ice hockey style (problem is who to choose if more than 1 guy could get biased, going off is not hard u run off immediately no questions or enjoy 10 off) or perhaps a 5 minute sin bin so refs could use the bin a lot more. Sways the odds against the goal. Much more excitement for fans to go for the try and removes incentive for deliberate penalties (if go with 2 minute penalty box exclusion then can still have sin bin for the professional fouls and lower the standard for penalty try).
 
Number6 said:
Like the analysis but would prefer to see hard data on the maths.

As for all defensive penalties inside the attacking 20. Like it to be an automatic 2 minute exclusion ice hockey style (problem is who to choose if more than 1 guy could get biased, going off is not hard u run off immediately no questions or enjoy 10 off) or perhaps a 5 minute sin bin so refs could use the bin a lot more. Sways the odds against the goal. Much more excitement for fans to go for the try and removes incentive for deliberate penalties (if go with 2 minute penalty box exclusion then can still have sin bin for the professional fouls and lower the standard for penalty try).
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The problem with this is that it opens up a whole new can of worms.

Players deliberately milking penalties so the defending team are disadvantaged. We'll see milking taken to a whole new level and it will just ruin the contest rather than improve it.
 
So how will bird be managed once he is right to return, do we start him on the bench?
 
winslow_wong said:
So how will bird be managed once he is right to return, do we start him on the bench?
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I think that would make sense. Ease him back in, he covers a lot of back line positions, second row and lock. Unless we are desperate, which i dont think we are, we have no need to push him.
 
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