Haas - Off Field Dramas

Nashy said:
Why are you still on this line of he's in trouble for doing nothing?

He's in trouble because the club wasn't happy with the way he spoke to the IU. Your argument is stupid, because you aren't arguing the actual reason he's been punished.
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He's in trouble because the club wasn't happy with the way he spoke to IU, after somebody anonymously called the club complaining about him being in the vicinity of one of his siblings getting in a fight, let's make that second part as equally as clear as the first.
 
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Unbreakable said:
He's in trouble because the club wasn't happy with the way he spoke to IU, after somebody anonymously called the club complaining about him being in the vicinity of one of his siblings getting in a fight, let's make that second part as equally as clear as the first.
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And? They could have been told by carrier pigeon for all I care. The fact is, he didn't uphold his obligations as expected by his employer, so he's in trouble.

He is NOT in trouble for being next to a fight, being involved in fight, not stopping a fight, wearing his pants backwards at a function, or anything other than that.
 
broncospwn said:
Disagree.

If my "HR" team wanted to compel me to talk about a criminal matter under police investigation by my family, that I had no involvement in, I'd happily tell them to get fucked. I'd happily take them to court too if they decided I can no longer be employed because I refused to give them details.
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First of all, you're comparing apples with oranges. This is not Broncos HR we are talking about, although refusing to talk to them would probably imply sanctions too.

Second, there are professions where an independent integrity department is necessary, like doctors, lawyers, police, airline pilots, etc...
High profile professional sports is another one, and even if the NRL has been a joke for a long time, it is no excuse to bash them for actually trying to stem the flow.
Regardless, you can refuse to talk to them, but whether or not you have done anything wrong, you will suffer the consequences, which in the above examples can be far worse than young Haas' suspension and fine. Take them to court for it, and you'll happily lose too.

Third, setting an example with one of your most promising players, is the best way to ensure compliance to the club's code of conduct is not taken lightly (not to speak of potentially protecting him from worse at the hands of the NRL), and the outrage of some people, tells me the punishment is exactly right.

People also take this family loyalty too far. It seems that his brother has been involved multiple times in such dramas, and at this point he's not protecting him, he's enabling him, which won't do him any good.
How far do you go to protect family? Where do you draw the line, or is there no line?

And what about the reverse side of the medal, where is the loyalty of the family who got him into this trouble in the first place? Happily silent on the sideline...
To me, family loyalty definitely means not letting someone pay a price for something you're guilty of.

I would go to the ends of the world to protect my kids from anything unjust, or help them navigate and cope with a just punishment, but I will not enable such behaviour by ignoring it, or shoving it under the rug.
 
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Nashy said:
Yes, but you've made clear that things can't be explained very well to you, so they'd probably say goodbye to you too.
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I understand everything you’ve said, you’re just wrong.
 
the fact the IU are investigating incidents that have no police involvement, and are just anonymous phone calls from some random fuckface when there are plenty of other things they could be doing regarding real offences and criminal activity shows just how stupid they are. Are they trying to stay relevant in some bizarre way?
 
Tom said:
the fact the IU are investigating incidents that have no police involvement, and are just anonymous phone calls from some random fuckface when there are plenty of other things they could be doing regarding real offences and criminal activity shows just how stupid they are. Are they trying to stay relevant in some bizarre way?
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I would say after this off-season, the NRL is pretty embarrassed, and will investigate absolutely everything. At least until the season begins and attention is back to the field.
 
Nashy said:
I would say after this off-season, the NRL is pretty embarrassed, and will investigate absolutely everything. At least until the season begins and attention is back to the field.
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"Jack de Belin allegedly gang raped a girl a few times and is still allowed to play in the NRL... hmm... we need to make an example out of someone... What's this! A Broncos player was at a local footy event 6 months ago and his brother got in to a fight? Get Paul White on the phone, it's go time." - Integrity Unit board meeting, 19/02/2019.
 
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Unbreakable said:
"Jack de Belin allegedly gang raped a girl a few times and is still allowed to play in the NRL... hmm... we need to make an example out of someone... What's this! A Broncos player was at a local footy event 6 months ago and his brother got in to a fight? Get Paul White on the phone, it's go time." - Integrity Unit board meeting, 19/02/2019.
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Some of the precedents set in this game go against what people expect. It has absolutely and utterly no relevence to the Broncos punishing their player for breaking the code of conduct.
 
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Unbreakable said:
"Jack de Belin allegedly gang raped a girl a few times and is still allowed to play in the NRL... hmm... we need to make an example out of someone... What's this! A Broncos player was at a local footy event 6 months ago and his brother got in to a fight? Get Paul White on the phone, it's go time." - Integrity Unit board meeting, 19/02/2019.
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this only has relevance to the Haas situation if either Jack De Belin plays for the Broncos or the NRL were doing the punishing, since neither are the case, then this comparison is without merit ...

We can not and should not, let how another club disciplines (or lack thereof) its' players, dictate the penalties that we issue for breaches to our code of conduct.
 
Tom said:
the fact the IU are investigating incidents that have no police involvement, and are just anonymous phone calls from some random fuckface when there are plenty of other things they could be doing regarding real offences and criminal activity shows just how stupid they are. Are they trying to stay relevant in some bizarre way?
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I could be wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that the club referred the matter to the IU after Haas reported it to the club?? Which may assist in explaining why they were so pissed that he did not cooperate.
 
Porthoz said:
First of all, you're comparing apples with oranges. This is not Broncos HR we are talking about, although refusing to talk to them would probably imply sanctions too.

Second, there are professions where an independent integrity department is necessary, like doctors, lawyers, police, airline pilots, etc...
High profile professional sports is another one, and even if the NRL has been a joke for a long time, it is no excuse to bash them for actually trying to stem the flow.
Regardless, you can refuse to talk to them, but whether or not you have done anything wrong, you will suffer the consequences, which in the above examples can be far worse than young Haas' suspension and fine. Take them to court for it, and you'll happily lose too.

Third, setting an example with one of your most promising players, is the best way to ensure compliance to the club's code of conduct is not taken lightly (not to speak of potentially protecting him from worse at the hands of the NRL), and the outrage of some people, tells me the punishment is exactly right.

People also take this family loyalty too far. It seems that his brother has been involved multiple times in such dramas, and at this point he's not protecting him, he's enabling him, which won't do him any good.
How far do you go to protect family? Where do you draw the line, or is there no line?

And what about the reverse side of the medal, where is the loyalty of the family who got him into this trouble in the first place? Happily silent on the sideline...
To me, family loyalty definitely means not letting someone pay a price for something you're guilty of.

I would go to the ends of the world to protect my kids from anything unjust, or help them navigate and cope with a just punishment, but I will not enable such behaviour by ignoring it, or shoving it under the rug.
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I don't know, maybe different Apples but they're still Apples.

He's been punished for not spilling details on a private police matter about his family. He was not involved, he did nothing wrong, even the expectation of him being expected to tell the club what happened is absurd.

I'm sorry, I just completely disagree. I don't agree with the punishment, nor the premise that he is contractually obliged to tell his employer what his family did in a matter outside of his employment that is under investigation by the police.

We can go around in circles but honestly, I just fundamentally disagree that he's in any way at fault, even more so after Chris Garry explained that he's been punished for not spilling details on what happened during the fight. He went and met with the integrity unit, his family had a domestic incident, and he doesn't want his employer to know his familiy's pretty personal troubles. I think that's totally fair and I would absolutely do the same thing he did and would happily cop the suspension over the invasion of my family's privacy.

The story is now - He spoke to the integrity unit but wasn't willing to tell them the details of what happened with his family. They don't have a right to know that shit. They've hired a rugby league player, they don't own his fucking soul and right to privacy. If HE did something wrong, by all means hammer him with a suspension for not discussing it. He should not be obliged to tell his employer what his family got up to. They're not public figures.
 
The point many of us don’t get is why a suspension? Was there really no other way to get the message through to this kid? A bigger fine maybe and lots of stern lectures. He worked really hard to be the first to earn the right to wear the playing jersey at training so maybe we could make him wear a naughty hat. Anything but harming the team and helping our opposition by leaving him out.
To me this is like when the old man would take his belt off and say this is for your own good. 9 times out of 10 that was bullshit. It just made him feel better but now I have raised kids I know that most of the time there’s a better solution. The Broncos did this to make themselves look better. It could have been handled differently.
 
I'd sure love to see what code of conduct that is.

Almost certainly a bullshit vague stipulation "Must act in the best interests of your employer" on page 64. It doesn't mean it is morally right, or even legally valid. Plenty of employers have bullshit contractual laws that get laughed out of court if challenged.

I'm not arguing whether he technically breached the words in the contract, he probably has, every contract is hugely biased to the employer until it's challenged in a court. I'm arguing whether the punishment fits the supposed crime, which I strongly disagree that it does.

No one here would appreciate getting fined 20k and being suspended for 4 weeks for not giving up personal details about a family incident. If my last sentence isn't true, then so be it, I have completely different life views and we'd never agree on this topic.

I'm disappointed for Haas who'd already be hugely embarrassed his family dramas went public and to then be public suspended with the CEO holding a presser when all of this could have been handled behind closed doors. The only reason this ever went public is so the club could give themselves a pat on the back for being good *****.
 
I don't get how people can't see that Haas is in trouble for breaking the standards expected of players at the Brisbane Broncos. I'm pleased we treat players this way if they don't meet our standards. It's what's going to separate us from other clubs.
 
Foordy said:
this only has relevance to the Haas situation if either Jack De Belin plays for the Broncos or the NRL were doing the punishing, since neither are the case, then this comparison is without merit ...

We can not and should not, let how another club disciplines (or lack thereof) its' players, dictate the penalties that we issue for breaches to our code of conduct.
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Maybe the should fucking punish him , Instead of letting him play. Think about it for a second yeah.
 
Thing is, it happened in Sept Nov last year. Why are we debating it now and Paul White has a presser end of Feb. This shit needed to happen sooner and certainly not just before start of season.
 
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