NEWS Badel: Boyd never considered quitting

Marty Deutschmann said:
What I'm saying is you don't judge 2019 for 2020 not necessarily on Form, but on character and ability.

You cannot forgive what he tossed up last year when he was "fully fit, body best it's been" and even consider giving him a jersey to "see how he goes"

Would rather give it to someone who's hungry to play and "see how he goes instead".

If those players fail to meet realistic expectations, then if he hasn't kicked cans at training by that point, give him a shot
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Mmmm, really ? You'd rather not give the player you're paying 600-700 k to a shot and hand it to a newcomer on 150k? Fair enough I suppose but there's no way I'd not give him one last shot, afterall it's a lot of coin for ISC. If that was going to happen Seibold would have told him to not bother training with the firsts and so I see him getting a last chance at redemption.
 
Marty Deutschmann said:
Watch the Broncos last game of 2019.

Watch the "captain" of that game.

Come at me again with your logic after just 20 mins in
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My logic? Here's me thinking we were discussing you! You're right of course, if we had Perese, Kennar, Coates, any one of the rookies playing 5/8 we would have won that game hey? I mean it might have been close but Boyd cost us 60-70 points at least !!!
 
McHunt said:
Despite my questionable judgement I find myself being somehow persuaded Boyd will be a revelation on the wing. Because he was serviceable there outside Inglis, one of the greatest centres of all time. And, it's a new season. And Brodie Croft. Or something.

But then I remember just what a fucking embarrassment he was at his preferred position of fullback last year. So dire he became a meme. We were the laughing stock of the competition. Because of him, and him alone.

Macca might've been a bigger reason we were losing, but he looked like he was busting his guts out there. Boyd looked like he was on holidays. And then he had the audacity to say he was "trying too hard."

Watch this and maybe it will jog your memory:




He was so bad someone started a subreddit telling him to **** off.

And then I remember he was also captain. The captain who ultimately led us to the worst defeat in the history of the club. Even when the coach tried to hide him at 5/8th. Which, it goes without saying, was a disaster.

And that, folks, is where we left it.

So yeah, let's try him on the wing next. I'm sure he will be fine.
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I actually think (and hope) Seibold plays him at left centre to start the year.

Bird can be eased back into NRL football from the bench.

Let Boyd prove himself.. to be absolutely the same player he was last year.

This way there'll be no doubt. Seibold will have the validation he needs to take him out back.

If he's never picked, or hidden on the wing for a few games not getting ball, he won't go quietly into the night, and nor will his defenders.

Give them no more excuses. Alleviate all the doubt. Let him "go out on his terms". The terms in which he conducted himself as the captain of our proud club which is him throwing his hands in the air while he realises his career disappeared under the posts years ago.
 
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Huge said:
Mmmm, really ? You'd rather not give the player you're paying 600-700 k to a shot and hand it to a newcomer on 150k? Fair enough I suppose but there's no way I'd not give him one last shot, afterall it's a lot of coin for ISC. If that was going to happen Seibold would have told him to not bother training with the firsts and so I see him getting a last chance at redemption.
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What's the point of running him to "get the money out of him" .. there's no logic in that cause you are paying him regardless if he loses you games or not so you may as well play the other guy you're, ALREADY PAYING 150k to NOT play .. all that matters are wins.

There comes a time in every economic decision where you realise you're better off to write off a bad investment and focus on the future then to continually ride a poor product just to save your money.
 
Huge said:
My logic? Here's me thinking we were discussing you! You're right of course, if we had Perese, Kennar, Coates, any one of the rookies playing 5/8 we would have won that game hey? I mean it might have been close but Boyd cost us 60-70 points at least !!!
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You claimed my "logic" being corrupted by emotion.

So you were therefore laying inference to a better style of logic out there, a more objective one? That you were aware of, so therefore must have in your mind.

So yes, don't confuse and twist it, you're talking of your logic also by questioning mine.

So out with it. Watch the Broncos finals Game of 2019 and tell me, what's your logic tell you..
 
Marty Deutschmann said:
What's the point of running him to "get the money out of him" .. there's no logic in that cause you are paying him regardless if he loses you games or not so you may as well play the other guy you're, ALREADY PAYING 150k to NOT play .. all that matters are wins.

There comes a time in every economic decision where you realise you're better off to write off a bad investment and focus on the future then to continually ride a poor product just to save your money.
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Perhaps that time for the coach and the club is after they've assessed Boyd's 2020 effort on the wing? You've decided his fate before a ball is kicked but I certainly understand you've reached that conclusion after 2019s form and even earlier still.

It's odd that you think the whole armies out of step except Marty. I wonder who here is dispassionate and who is demanding a thing based predominantly on emotion?
 
Huge said:
Perhaps that time for the coach and the club is after they've assessed Boyd's 2020 effort on the wing? You've decided his fate before a ball is kicked but I certainly understand you've reached that conclusion after 2019s form and even earlier still.

It's odd that you think the whole armies out of step except Marty. I wonder who here is dispassionate and who is demanding a thing based predominantly on emotion?
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What do you mean by based predominantly on emotion? I like everyone else just want to see us winning and being successful deep into the finals and I just can't envisage that happening with Boyd in the team. Common sense and Occam's razor tell me it's not a reasonable possibility. I'd rather be a winner than a good guy that looks after yesterday's hero just because they played well 3 years ago. I see emotion being used as a tool to keep the plodder in the team, if anything.
 
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Tom said:
What do you mean by based predominantly on emotion? I like everyone else just want to see us winning and being successful deep into the finals and I just can't envisage that happening with Boyd in the team. Common sense and Occam's razor tell me it's not a reasonable possibility. I'd rather be a winner than a good guy that looks after yesterday's hero just because they played well 3 years ago. I see emotion being used as a tool to keep the plodder in the team, if anything.
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Oh yeah, that's fair enough too but I don't think you understand that it's exactly the opposite concerning emotion. In my humble opinion the club and coach intended to make a decision about Boyd with the express desire to leave emotion out and I think it's the right call. It's so so easy to scapegoat Boyd and fool oneself into the crazy notion that dropping him to reggies will make diddums feel good and all will be right with the world.

That's not reality though. Cold hard calculations made after the emotions have died down, pragmatism is what's required. I'll wager Boyd's contract cash had little bearing but would be a consideration nevertheless. Boyd was not solely the reason for the season end result and in fact I think he was less culpable than most others. I believe that game will produce benifits this year, I can see it hardening at least 10 guys from that game. I'm an optimist at heart😐
 
Huge said:
Oh yeah, that's fair enough too but I don't think you understand that it's exactly the opposite concerning emotion. In my humble opinion the club and coach intended to make a decision about Boyd with the express desire to leave emotion out and I think it's the right call. It's so so easy to scapegoat Boyd and fool oneself into the crazy notion that dropping him to reggies will make diddums feel good and all will be right with the world.

That's not reality though. Cold hard calculations made after the emotions have died down, pragmatism is what's required. I'll wager Boyd's contract cash had little bearing but would be a consideration nevertheless. Boyd was not solely the reason for the season end result and in fact I think he was less culpable than most others. I believe that game will produce benifits this year, I can see it hardening at least 10 guys from that game. I'm an optimist at heart[emoji52]
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The Captain being less effective than others in a 50 point thrashing is precisely the point for his permanent demotion
 
This has become thoroughly entertaining. Thank you Arnie!
 
If we are worried about terrible players from last year getting demoted, promoted or a position change why are people excited about Isaako who was our worst player in 2019 getting guaranteed the fullback spot before the trials? We shouldn't listen to MorePudding about Boyd being so terrible at centre that he was moved because that's not how it happened. His front line defense is great for the most part and he will do a job, whether its in the centres or on the wing. And if he doesn't he won't be there for long.

Also Coates and Farnworth haven't just had two games to prove themselves. They played the rest of the season in Q Cup. I like them both but they will be ready when they're too good to be playing Q Cup, which isn't the case just yet. The team should absolutely be decided on after the trials. If Boyd performs in whatever position he's selected in then the spot is his until he doesn't perform. The players want to play with him, the coach seems to as well. He's on his last chance though and so is everyone else in the team.

You know when your page lags and you press 'post' three times and your post is posted 3 times? A few of you are basically doing that with your repeated opinions. It's boring, especially because there's no new information coming out. Oh, and dropping him and McCullough wouldn't have made us play any better last year. There were games where 15/17 players played terribly. In conclusion, Boyd hasn't even been selected yet and people are outraged. It's just not necessary until we know where he is playing, so relax and enjoy your holidays and get outraged when it's not a bullshit Badel article or whatever.
 
Cult3 said:
Oh, and dropping him and McCullough wouldn't have made us play any better last year.
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Our best games last year were when Macca was out of the team altogether. We went from a team that looked like it was playing for the wooden spoon to a team that looked like it could make the finals. The wheels fell off again when we lost Dearden and Macca became more involved. We never had the luxury of losing Darius, but he was so bad at fullback he had to be moved. Milford was better than Boyd at fullback, but the resulting spine was the worst in the competition. Blame whoever you want, but one half of that was Boyd and Macca.

If I were Seibold, I'd take any money I could get to unload Boyd. Maybe Bennett would take him back at minimum wage. Just get him away from the club. I'd wear the loss and drop that money on Fifita right now, instead of later, when we'll need as much as we can afford to secure Ponga. We all know that's happening.
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Cult3 said:
If we are worried about terrible players from last year getting demoted, promoted or a position change why are people excited about Isaako who was our worst player in 2019
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Isaako, at least, has upside potential. That position will eventually go to Ponga.
 
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That's another reason we should be willing Isaako to even half kick on at Fullback next year. We need him to do a good job of selling his wears to other clubs so when push comes to shove, we aren't staring at another overly complicated selection process or struggles to clear cap space. Hell maybe a miracle will happen and Isaako kicks on so well @ Fullback that we really don't see the need to spend big on someone like Ponga. I'm doubting that somehow, though.
 
Marty Deutschmann said:
I actually think (and hope) Seibold plays him at left centre to start the year.

Bird can be eased back into NRL football from the bench.

Let Boyd prove himself.. to be absolutely the same player he was last year.

This way there'll be no doubt. Seibold will have the validation he needs to take him out back.

If he's never picked, or hidden on the wing for a few games not getting ball, he won't go quietly into the night, and nor will his defenders.

Give them no more excuses. Alleviate all the doubt. Let him "go out on his terms". The terms in which he conducted himself as the captain of our proud club which is him throwing his hands in the air while he realises his career disappeared under the posts years ago.
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I think this will be how it will eventuate. I think bird will be transitioned back to left centre if he gets by unscathed in the first few rounds and if boyd has been doing well he may move to the right wing. However if he performs similarly to 18-19, he will be in ISC.
 
I bleed Maroon said:
That's another reason we should be willing Isaako to even half kick on at Fullback next year. We need him to do a good job of selling his wears to other clubs so when push comes to shove, we aren't staring at another overly complicated selection process or struggles to clear cap space. Hell maybe a miracle will happen and Isaako kicks on so well @ Fullback that we really don't see the need to spend big on someone like Ponga. I'm doubting that somehow, though.
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Although last year wasnt his best for various reasons, I think isaako could really develop this year. Given his current skill set i think he should base his game on RTS. Having played with RTS in NZ i hope he is on the phone getting some advice/mentoring.

Although boyd was an elite fullback at one time (unfortunately his body is not up to it anymore) and would offer some valuable advice, trying to play isaako like boyd-style fullback would be a mistake and not be successful as they are too different.
 
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NSW stables said:
Although last year wasnt his best for various reasons, I think isaako could really develop this year. Given his current skill set i think he should base his game on RTS. Having played with RTS in NZ i hope he is on the phone getting some advice/mentoring.

Although boyd was an elite fullback at one time (unfortunately his body is not up to it anymore) and would offer some valuable advice, trying to play isaako like boyd-style fullback would be a mistake and not be successful as they are too different.
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Good points.

It seems unlikely Isaako will ever be that link-man / 3-on-2 man, so better to play to his strengths than try and shoehorn him into a role he’s probably not quite ready for.

Of course; Slater got better at it, so too has Tedesco, so you can never say never. But initially at least, both were only ever asked to play their natural game and weren’t stifled with unreasonable expectations.
 
I bleed Maroon said:
That's another reason we should be willing Isaako to even half kick on at Fullback next year. We need him to do a good job of selling his wears to other clubs so when push comes to shove, we aren't staring at another overly complicated selection process or struggles to clear cap space. Hell maybe a miracle will happen and Isaako kicks on so well @ Fullback that we really don't see the need to spend big on someone like Ponga. I'm doubting that somehow, though.
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I'm 99% certain Isaako will kick on and I hope we keep him here. I'm not claiming it will be 2020 but I have a good gut feeling that Isaako will be a star Bronco. I believe he can at least become an NRL star but I hope it's with us.
 
I'm of the same opinion. I really think Isaako will surprise a lot of people with his running game from fullback. A bit of open space and capitalising on broken play. His form in the 9s and Gilmour's from 2018 suggest he has what it takes.
 
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