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Foordy

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That's true but our cap is a mess because we've been paying underperforming players too much money, we need a few bargain buys to get out of it

we're pretty much out of it now ... and Carrigan is hardly one of those under performing players.

if we don't pay the 500k, someone else will and we'll end up having to play against him.

Define Quality first grader? I view Carrigan as a prospect that is not a quality first grader week in week out yet. 350K. Piakura is overpaid too at this stage.

in 2020 he averaged

156m per game
67 PCM per game
46 tackles per game (6th in NRL)
 

Bongo

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Our hand was forced with Piakura, losing another promising player like we did Reece Walsh wasn't going to be good for the club, I can understand why they did. Time will tell, he could be a cheap buy yet, we won't know until he gets some regular game time.
Fair point. Can't argue that. There was a PR issue there.

I am probably just of the view that its worse to pay a player overs to stay than to let go a player you want to keep.
 

Bongo

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we're pretty much out of it now ... and Carrigan is hardly one of those under performing players.

if we don't pay the 500k, someone else will and we'll end up having to play against him.



in 2020 he averaged

156m per game
67 PCM per game
46 tackles per game (6th in NRL)
Yeah they are good building block stats for a player his age. Seems from what I saw thst he still has a dumb play and there is a gap between his best and worst to be quality first grader.
 

Alec

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If im picking a QLD side heres what im picking as my pack if all fit which they never are

8. Welsh
9. Grant
10. Papali
11. Fifita
12. Kaufusi
13. Tino

14. Hunt
15. Arrow
16. Collins
17. Fotuaika

Don't get me wrong I love Capewell as a player and a competitor, I'm actually stoked he is at the club but that's QLDs best pack. You could make a strong argument to put him in the bench over Collins or Fotuaika with Arrow playing front row but that's about it. The second row for the time being picks itself.
I can't remember Kaufusi ever being good for QLD. Most of the time I remember thinking "how does he keep on getting picked?" The rest of the pack I probably agree with for now.
 

Foordy

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Yeah they are good building block stats for a player his age. Seems from what I saw thst he still has a dumb play and there is a gap between his best and worst to be quality first grader.

are you serious, building blocks?

if it wasn't for a freak of an athlete in Payne Haas, Carrigan would be out best prop by a country mile .... yet you want to pay him like a fringe first grader.

i tell you what, with your retention strategy, you would be a good fit with the Eels current R&R team
 

Bongo

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are you serious, building blocks?

if it wasn't for a freak of an athlete in Payne Haas, Carrigan would be out best prop by a country mile .... yet you want to pay him like a fringe first grader.

i tell you what, with your retention strategy, you would be a good fit with the Eels current R&R team
I don't think that those stats tell the whole story of where he is at. But they are impressive in those categories of statistics.

In 2021 Patty was

8 games - 6 offloads, 6 tackle breaks, 117 metres per game, 33 tackles per game​

Admittedly a smaller sample size and I think stats are often too relied upon without context when being used positively or negatively. I think his discipline and at times his reading of defence are the big areas to work on

I also think they Parra did the right thing letting go Niukore and Papalii go for the money they were offered. They are better to pay more to Reed Mahoney.
 

Foordy

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I don't think that those stats tell the whole story of where he is at. But they are impressive in those categories of statistics.

I also think they Parra did the right thing letting go Niukore and Papalii go for the money they were offered. They are better to pay more to Reed Mahoney.

they don't plan to do that either. they're reportedly sticking to the 450k offer for Mahoney. 1 or 2 more defections might change their minds (if Mahoney isn't one of the defections)
 

pagey

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Why do people expect Carrigan to play like DFifita? I couldn’t give a **** whether he breaks the line on a run or not. That’s not his role at all. His runs are actually quite effective. He makes good PCMs, usually finds his front and gets a quick PTB. Not sure what else you’d want.
still not worth $500k that's overs for him and a fan , we need to re-balance our Cap and keep the cash for our spine.
 

pagey

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people are talking like 500k is still elite money ... it's not under the current cap.

500k is for quality first graders, 750k+ is now the elite money
quality first graders yes but calling him that is premature. he hasn't even played a full season of first grade yet.
 

Wolfie

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I don't think that those stats tell the whole story of where he is at. But they are impressive in those categories of statistics.

I also think they Parra did the right thing letting go Niukore and Papalii go for the money they were offered. They are better to pay more to Reed Mahoney.
Parra have a really badly balanced cap. Niukore they probably did the right thing with, but not paying 600k for papalii is a mistake. When you look they have about 1 million a year tied up on Opacic and Blake you see they haven't got things quite right.
 

Bongo

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they don't plan to do that either. they're reportedly sticking to the 450k offer for Mahoney. 1 or 2 more defections might change their minds (if Mahoney isn't one of the defections)
Thats a mistake if thats where they intend to end up. I think their strategy to lowball early in negotiations is bad but I can see the reasoning behind it. If you start low you may get more realistic offers from other clubs on the table in the first instance to start the bidding. A better policy to apply to Gutho than Mahoney.
 

Bongo

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Parra have a really badly balanced cap. Niukore they probably did the right thing with, but not paying 600k for papalii is a mistake. When you look they have about 1 million a year tied up on Opacic and Blake you see they haven't got things quite right.
Yeah they might be like us and making the hard calls they have to make. I was surprised the Warriors released Papalii. I always thought he was underrated and went to another level in 2021. Still, I think 600K from Papalii is absolute maximum to pay at best.
 

Bongo

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Parra have a really badly balanced cap. Niukore they probably did the right thing with, but not paying 600k for papalii is a mistake. When you look they have about 1 million a year tied up on Opacic and Blake you see they haven't got things quite right.
Blake's attack and Opacics defence make one good player. Those are crazy prices.
 

Morepudding

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The way he recruits the teams he goes to, anything less than a premiership is a huge risk for the clubs to take, they've all gone backwards after he moved on. St George, Newcastle, Brisbane.. all still finding their feet again. It happens too consistently to be a coincidence.

Souths' roster doesn't look in too bad of a shape but they are going into the season with a bloke who has had some high praise as their coach but isn't proven in the NRL, many of others have come through the right systems and gone to be huge failures, the Newcastle coach is probably the poster boy in that regard. I say their roster isn't too bad, they are going into the season having to rely on a rookie to step up and take the halfback jersey, I don't think there's any chance at all that Wayne lets Reynolds go under his watch.

He obviously only has eyes for his time at a club and doesn't care at all about the future of the club past his contract, Dolphins fans will be wary of that too, I imagine.
I mean south’s lost Reynolds, Sua and Burns. And perhaps a few others. And haven’t gained anyone of note. If they didn’t win the comp this year, you can bet your ass they aren’t going to win it next year
 

JAHHW

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Don't kid yourself, Fifita is a walk up start to the forward pack. If he still has the broncos colours on, we are rating him as the best second rower in the world right now. Pay packets are irrelevant when picking an origin side as there is no salary cap.
No, he really isn’t. Which is probably why he played game 1 as a starter and games 2 and 3 off the bench. Probably also why he finished the season with the Titans on the bench.

Fifita is a damaging runner of the ball, with one caveat: when he wants to be. Otherwise, he’s actually pretty lazy. He is a less skilful Dave Taylor. Now teams have started figuring out how to nullify him, he is struggling to come up with answers.

And that’s because all he ever had to do was run over the top of / around the other smaller kids. But that doesn’t work anywhere near as often in the NRL and even less in Origin. So unless he starts to increase his involvement and / or adds more to his game, he’ll probably end up down the same path as Dave Taylor, which will be a shame, but not totally surprising.
 

Shane Tronc

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still not worth $500k that's overs for him and a fan , we need to re-balance our Cap and keep the cash for our spine.
Yeah I’d lean towards your thoughts on value too. Was more directed at people criticising his quality as a player.
 

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