Broncos Youth Players and Young Guns coming through.

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Andrew Dawson is reporting that we have signed Tom Learoyd-Lahrs son, Kaiden and Jamal Shibasaki (brother of Gehmat) to our academy.

Jamal is a phenomenal footballer, he played CC for the Blackhawks and the Townsville coach told me in pre-season watch him as much as you can.

Round 1 v Cutters- two tries, top tackler with 30 and 144m- that’s different for a lock.

Anyway might be fluke.

Round 2 v Pride- Two tries 202m

I watched all his CC games and he had five tries from four games at lock. It’s a shame the CC didn’t have finals or anymore football.

He's been with the Broncos all year, great young player to watch. Really enjoyed it this year.
 

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Still looking for the latest list of development players. Anyone?
 
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Logan Bayliss, Harrison Graham, Deine Mariner, Blake Mozer, Ethan Quai-Ward, Xavier Willison.
By reports, this group is a really strong development list.
I get that Penriff have won a premiership with their bunch so they surely deserve all the accolades, but our development and identification of players in the last few years has been outstanding. We surely have the most nrl players come through us compared to every other nrl club, and we lose one and another 3 appear.
It's time we start saying to players (which ikin and DD appear to be doing) "hey, you leave we will just produce another. We won't be held to ransom, it's an honour to play for us, take this reasonable offer or **** off". I have complete faith in our development and identification now, couldn't say that 5-10 years ago. We need to retain the ones with the right attitude and I have faith in DD and ikin to do so..
 

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By reports, this group is a really strong development list.
I get that Penriff have won a premiership with their bunch so they surely deserve all the accolades, but our development and identification of players in the last few years has been outstanding. We surely have the most nrl players come through us compared to every other nrl club, and we lose one and another 3 appear.
It's time we start saying to players (which ikin and DD appear to be doing) "hey, you leave we will just produce another. We won't be held to ransom, it's an honour to play for us, take this reasonable offer or **** off". I have complete faith in our development and identification now, couldn't say that 5-10 years ago. We need to retain the ones with the right attitude and I have faith in DD and ikin to do so..
Whilst I agree with you. Choosing the development path over other players is what got us in the mess.
 
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Whilst I agree with you. Choosing the development path over other players is what got us in the mess.
Yes and no... whilst I think Penrith is an anomaly with their success from near 100% development, I do think that we are one of the only clubs in a position to mimick similar, but sprinkled with a bit more outside influences (eg Reynolds and capewell, similar experienced signing next year) to re-direct us in the right direction.
I think we were just simply poor in our retention and with our salary cap management. We also let too many experienced players go that led to these young guys getting their spot before they earned it.
We need to re-sign talented young players well before their contract is up and make them earn their next one. Take little punts, rather then getting them to debut the year their contract runs out or after they sign a new contract. 2 years in the nrl will tell you what you need to know, I know it's not always possible but it should be a target every time.
 

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Yes and no... whilst I think Penrith is an anomaly with their success from near 100% development, I do think that we are one of the only clubs in a position to mimick similar, but sprinkled with a bit more outside influences (eg Reynolds and capewell, similar experienced signing next year) to re-direct us in the right direction.
I think we were just simply poor in our retention and with our salary cap management. We also let too many experienced players go that led to these young guys getting their spot before they earned it.
We need to re-sign talented young players well before their contract is up and make them earn their next one. Take little punts, rather then getting them to debut the year their contract runs out or after they sign a new contract. 2 years in the nrl will tell you what you need to know, I know it's not always possible but it should be a target every time.

Remember though, it took the Panthers 5+ years and 2 coaches to get where they are today by going down the pure development route.

Broncos fans don't have that patience.
 
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Remember though, it took the Panthers 5+ years and 2 coaches to get where they are today by going down the pure development route.

Broncos fans don't have that patience.
Very true. Not expecting a replica of what Penrith have done. But I think we are in a position to keep producing so much talent that we can fill nearly any spot internally given the right support around it.

I mentioned it more to highlight that we don't need to keep being held to ransom by these young players, they aren't so special. Our wooden spoon proves it and our production line proves they aren't irreplaceable
 

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Remember though, it took the Panthers 5+ years and 2 coaches to get where they are today by going down the pure development route.

Broncos fans don't have that patience.
Part of that process was signing reliable established players and slowly replacing them with young guys as their original crop of youngsters reached maturity.

With Capes, James, and Reynolds we’re in a position to do that. By the time they move on most of the current young guys will be mid-20s and half a decade into their careers.
 

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Remember though, it took the Panthers 5+ years and 2 coaches to get where they are today by going down the pure development route.

Broncos fans don't have that patience.
When you say that "Broncos fans don't have that patience" I think that's a pretty bland and subjective opinion to state.

Even if the supporter base gets seriously agitated it seldom materializes as anything tangible that directly impinges on the clubs ability to move forward.

Sure, we'll get an inundation of whingers from time to time, but I think your average supporter just wants to see the club do well, and if it takes a number of years to realise a particular goal then so be it.

Sure, some fans may stop attending games and it will marginally effect the club's bottom line however, the salary handout form he NRL is not impacted regardless of crowd numbers. If it did almost all Sydney clubs would already be wound up.

The little numbers that we do lose from re-building soon come pouring back through the gates when the club starts to play decent footy again.

With DD, Ikin and Kevvie at the helm we have the makings of a great collaborative team. Kevvie may be seen as the club jester, but there is a big difference between a jester and a fool. In short, I think we have patience. We do however, not suffer fools gladly.
 

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I think we were just simply poor in our retention and with our salary cap management. We also let too many experienced players go that led to these young guys getting their spot before they earned it.
I think we just put our faith in the wrong experienced players and didnt move them on early enough. It got to the point where the guys with 100+ first grade games weren't up to standard or weren't leaders (Knik, Offa, Roberts, Macca, etc.).

I'm not putting Boyd in there, because he was good until doing his hammy in 2016/17 just before the finals series. From then on his body was broken and couldn't recover... but prior to that he was actually a player who had achieved something and had standing within the game amongst his teammates.

Gillett was similar where he was an automatic origin pick, playing for Australia and nominated as best second rower in the game.

These guys had credibility in the game and are players that the young guys had to look up to.


Pretty much everyone else in the group had achieved nothing... the transition should've occurred years before, but when they decided to do it, it was callous and cold, like a company takeover where they put a machete through the company.... at that point the players treated them like a company/business creating a horrendous team culture and costing us ones we wanted to keep, like DFifi
 

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i think it was more we weren't developing them that got us in trouble
Not at all… that was Tom Dearden. The likes of Kotoni, Haas, Flegler, Carrigan, Fifita, Coates all emerged throughout that time not bad at all. Our issue was instead of putting an experienced spine around them they chucked Tom Dearden in. Albert Kelly and Tyson Gamble of all people showed us that was where we got it VERY wrong. 1 player not the whole bunch. We also did have some toxic characters and a shit coach but that’s another story and it definitely does not take away from the fact that most of these players were developed and developed well. Just the overall approach of dump experience and throw the youth in the deep end didn’t work.
 

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Not at all… that was Tom Dearden. The likes of Kotoni, Haas, Flegler, Carrigan, Fifita, Coates all emerged throughout that time not bad at all. Our issue was instead of putting an experienced spine around them they chucked Tom Dearden in. Albert Kelly and Tyson Gamble of all people showed us that was where we got it VERY wrong. 1 player not the whole bunch. We also did have some toxic characters and a shit coach but that’s another story and it definitely does not take away from the fact that most of these players were developed and developed well. Just the overall approach of dump experience and throw the youth in the deep end didn’t work.
that is what I meant, we did them injuctice with not having the right people around them. development doesn't stop when you break into first grade, most of them were brought into the starting side to early. the only ones that could be exceptions are Haas and Staggs.
 

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that is what I meant, we did them injuctice with not having the right people around them. development doesn't stop when you break into first grade, most of them were brought into the starting side to early. the only ones that could be exceptions are Haas and Staggs.
Yeah that is true but I don’t know if you noticed that 4 have played for their state and 2 of them are definitely of the standard and one of them have captained our club. Didn’t stop at first grade for ANY of them. Not to mention one of them is the highest paid player in the comp. Undeservedly but he obviously accomplished something to warrant being in that bracket. Everyone on that list have been developed very well and efficiently considering there age, ability and accomplishments in such short time.
 

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Yeah that is true but I don’t know if you noticed that 4 have played for their state and 2 of them are definitely of the standard and one of them have captained our club. Didn’t stop at first grade for ANY of them. Not to mention one of them is the highest paid player in the comp. Undeservedly but he obviously accomplished something to warrant being in that bracket. Everyone on that list have been developed very well and efficiently considering there age, ability and accomplishments in such short time.
true but most have come about from circumstance, no way should flegler or coates should have played origin even Fifita gor in on potential. as for Carrigan as captain im not even going to go there.
it's not a matter of not being developed but being developed properly most of them wouldn't have started if it wasn't from our fall from grace , certain players retiring early and having a lack of quality.
we've had a great deal of quality juniors come through at one time and we've dropped the ball by trying to keep them all , instead of building around them . only now I think we will start to see them flurish.
 

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true but most have come about from circumstance, no way should flegler or coates should have played origin even Fifita gor in on potential. as for Carrigan as captain im not even going to go there.
it's not a matter of not being developed but being developed properly most of them wouldn't have started if it wasn't from our fall from grace , certain players retiring early and having a lack of quality.
we've had a great deal of quality juniors come through at one time and we've dropped the ball by trying to keep them all , instead of building around them . only now I think we will start to see them flurish.
Every single one of them would start at 90% of other clubs. Coates is starting at Storm. Fifita starts at Titans until they choose to use his impact off the bench. Carrigan is a great leader and no matter what club he is at would be regarded as a future captain. Kotoni Staggs is the most destructive centre in the comp by the size of Tom Hanks Forehead. Not a single centre in the comp I would take over Staggs (maybe Olam). Tom Flegler whilst probably didn’t deserve to play Origin the reality is he did and would be a valued member at any team. You wouldn’t see the Storm or Roosters think twice about signing him. As for saying Fifita shouldn’t have played Origin is just ludicrous. The man is so destructive and it just so happens he was out of form when he last played Origin this year. Finally, Payne Haas I don’t even need to speak another word.

Whilst some of them are overvalued monetarily every single one of them would be vital to any team in there own way. Only player on that list you would have any case for is Flegler and still to this day the man has shown he has great impact and ability however has no discipline. It’s not even like you can stand there and fault his effort, he has so many features to his game that are the makings of a great player we just choose to judge him as a result of his discipline which has very little to do with overall player development during that period.

Just look at there age and compare them to all the players in that age bracket and there in the conversation for the best of the best. As for in the entire nrl you have Payne Haas who is by a country mile the best forward and Kotoni is the most destructive outside back and in my opinion the best centre. They got developed fucken well, just sadly we lost 2 of them to over paying scum bags.

I think we all view that development group as a failure due to the fact that recruitment and retention failed to provide consistent, experienced and valuable members to construct a squad. Apart from the construction of our squad being a total failure through that period and retention of other young players being poor to have developed some of the best players in the comp during that period and come out of it with 4 of 6 of them (and keeping the best one possibly 2) is pretty impressive.

I completely get where your coming from but your viewing that development group of players as far more incompetent than it actually is when really I don’t think any team apart from the Panthers rival us in youth development over those years and we came last and third last and they had a Premiership and Minor Premiership next to there names. We have a great squad and we are probably another good spine player (whether that be Cobbo, Mam or Mozer in a few years) away from really shaking up the comp with the squad we have. Seibold and co may have been unwise with some of there decisions but at least now we are in a good position. After our numerous years of failings up the top of the ladder it was almost time for a shake up of our squad and sadly it got stuffed up through poor choices and we suffered for 2 years but in the long run it might be worth it. You never know.
 

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Every single one of them would start at 90% of other clubs. Coates is starting at Storm. Fifita starts at Titans until they choose to use his impact off the bench. Carrigan is a great leader and no matter what club he is at would be regarded as a future captain. Kotoni Staggs is the most destructive centre in the comp by the size of Tom Hanks Forehead. Not a single centre in the comp I would take over Staggs (maybe Olam). Tom Flegler whilst probably didn’t deserve to play Origin the reality is he did and would be a valued member at any team. You wouldn’t see the Storm or Roosters think twice about signing him. As for saying Fifita shouldn’t have played Origin is just ludicrous. The man is so destructive and it just so happens he was out of form when he last played Origin this year. Finally, Payne Haas I don’t even need to speak another word.

Whilst some of them are overvalued monetarily every single one of them would be vital to any team in there own way. Only player on that list you would have any case for is Flegler and still to this day the man has shown he has great impact and ability however has no discipline. It’s not even like you can stand there and fault his effort, he has so many features to his game that are the makings of a great player we just choose to judge him as a result of his discipline which has very little to do with overall player development during that period.

Just look at there age and compare them to all the players in that age bracket and there in the conversation for the best of the best. As for in the entire nrl you have Payne Haas who is by a country mile the best forward and Kotoni is the most destructive outside back and in my opinion the best centre. They got developed fucken well, just sadly we lost 2 of them to over paying scum bags.

I think we all view that development group as a failure due to the fact that recruitment and retention failed to provide consistent, experienced and valuable members to construct a squad. Apart from the construction of our squad being a total failure through that period and retention of other young players being poor to have developed some of the best players in the comp during that period and come out of it with 4 of 6 of them (and keeping the best one possibly 2) is pretty impressive.

I completely get where your coming from but your viewing that development group of players as far more incompetent than it actually is when really I don’t think any team apart from the Panthers rival us in youth development over those years and we came last and third last and they had a Premiership and Minor Premiership next to there names. We have a great squad and we are probably another good spine player (whether that be Cobbo, Mam or Mozer in a few years) away from really shaking up the comp with the squad we have. Seibold and co may have been unwise with some of there decisions but at least now we are in a good position. After our numerous years of failings up the top of the ladder it was almost time for a shake up of our squad and sadly it got stuffed up through poor choices and we suffered for 2 years but in the long run it might be worth it. You never know.
never said that they are incompetent or not quality, i think you're taking my negative feedback as bagging them but I'm not.
my point is that they should have been prepared better for the rigours of the NRL, not just being thrown in the deep end and physically and emotionally beat down. that is imo part of your development as a player, I'm definitely not doubting any of their abilities.
 

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