NEWS Carrigan: how low can we go?

[McHunt]

News of Pat Carrigan becoming the most inexperienced captain in NRL history, makes Travis Meyn gasp at how far the Broncos have fallen:

He points out that Carrigan has only played 19 games, and only two starting. That's 640 minutes of NRL football, and writes that Pat is:

"well-spoken and educated, securing an OP score of 2 after graduating from a Brisbane private school and flourishing in a physiotherapy degree at university. He plays a tough position in the middle forwards with heart and effort. But he simply should not be captaining a club like the six-time premiership-winning Broncos at this stage of his career, no matter his future leadership qualities."

And then slams Wayne Bennett for "short-sightedness in pursuit of the club’s seventh title" and the club for a "lack of planning and nurturing" leading to a dearth of leaders.

He cites Andrew McCullough (258 games), Anthony Milford (167 games), Corey Oates (142 games) and Joe Ofahengau (90 games) as being deemed unfit to lead. And mentions that Brodie Croft was put straight into the leadership group having never pulled on a Broncos jersey.

And goes on to name Matt Lodge as being the most likely candidate if not for being injured, but that he is a "polarising figure and there would not have been a rosy reaction if he led the Broncos out on Friday night."

Not to forget the outgoing and incumbent captains:

"Boyd, who yesterday announced he would retire at season’s end, was replaced by Glenn, who only a couple of months before his elevation to the job was resigned to joining Penrith because he felt unwanted by the Broncos and did not have a contract. "

He ends with:

"It will be a proud moment for Carrigan and those close to him, but one that should not happen at this stage of his career. He is not ready to sit alongside some of the greats of the game that have captained the Broncos, and the club shouldn’t be in this position."

Nonetheless, go Patty!

McHunt

 

[McHunt]

Elsewhere Boyd chips in to Badel:

“I think he (Lodge) will do the club very, very proud as captain. Pat Carrigan and Matt Lodge are two (captains) that definitely spring to mind. Someone like Payne Haas is an incredible talent and he is probably going to grow. He is only a young kid and as you get older you find your voice, so he is probably one as well."

“Patty has a very level head on his shoulders and he speaks well. He is already a great leader and always working on things as well. Lodgey ... we don’t have to talk about his past, but he is a special person and has done a lot of great things on and off the field at the Broncos.”

"Seibs told me a while back (about losing the captaincy). I am a team guy and realistic. I knew where the team was headed and have the best interests of the club at heart, so when Seibs spoke to me about it I was fine with it. He told me the position I was going to play and I was fine with that as well. It is a new challenge but I haven’t changed my outlook, my positivity or my work around the young group."

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[Foordy]

it is and should be all about leadership ... other sporting organisations around the world realise this and promote based on their leadership skills (of course the still need to be good enough to command a place in the team)

in 2018 South Africa gave the captaincy to a guy who has played a grand total of 2 ODI's

Tim Paine played 12 tests before he was captain

Graham Smith played 8 tests before his captaincy

in 94-95 a guy called Lee Germon captained NZ on his test debut

 

[McHunt]

it is and should be all about leadership ... other sporting organisations around the world realise this and promote based on their leadership skills (of course the still need to be good enough to command a place in the team)

in 2018 South Africa gave the captaincy to a guy who has played a grand total of 2 ODI's

Tim Paine played 12 tests before he was captain

Graham Smith played 8 tests before his captaincy

in 94-95 a guy called Lee Germon captained NZ on his test debut

**** experience, I'm all aboard the Patty train. Even if this season only lasts half a dozen games at least we'll get one positive out of it.

 

[Bigbucky]

I'm on the patty train also. But does reflect poorly on the group. The fact that there expensive more experienced players don't possess leadership qualities. But I also don't think it really matters. The proof will be in the pudding come Friday. Let's go broncos. I'm getting g'd up big time.

 

[Culhwch]

But does reflect poorly on the group. The fact that there expensive more experienced players don't possess leadership qualities.

There's sixteen guys on every team that aren't captains, a lot with plenty of experience but little in the way of leadership qualities. Are we really any worse than any one else? I think the fact that we have a standout young leader in Carrigan puts us ahead of a lot, to be honest.

 

[Unbreakable]

Patty should've been given the captaincy over Lexy, I was calling for it the second it came out that Boyd was losing the captaincy. At the very least they should've been co-captains.

He's the future of the club in all aspects, in fact, I'm willing to anoint him as the next Queensland captain as well, once DCE retires / falls out of favour in a couple of years.

 

[broncos4life]

I'm on the patty train also. But does reflect poorly on the group. The fact that there expensive more experienced players don't possess leadership qualities. But I also don't think it really matters. The proof will be in the pudding come Friday. Let's go broncos. I'm getting g'd up big time.

No it doesn’t, some people are leaders and some aren’t. Your age or pay packet has no impact on your leadership ability. Not everyone can and should be a leader and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Jedhead]

LIke everything else in life, Patty will mature into the role of Bronco's captain. He may not have all the edges smoothed out at present but I'd much rather we had him as our captain than some of the other guys 'leading' the other NRL teams.

If this sort of added pressure does not break the young man, it will only make him an even stronger leader for us in the future, and like I said last season I still think the Broncos as a club are still another two seasons away from being a genuine heavyweight again.

I know we all want immediate success, but building a window of time that gives us the means to successfully challenge and win a GF takes patience and planning. If done correctly that window of time can stretch to nine or ten years and produce a further 3 or 4 titles for us.

Not wishing to sound negative, but I think our next captain to lift the premiership trophy will be Patty, but it won't be this season or next. Until then I'm happy to watch us progressively improve.

 

[badyon]

Just hope we get a captain that leads by example and doesn't continually back chat the refs .

Gallen and Smith fucked the game with a pineapple sideways through their non stop, 80 mins and more, pissing and moaning and bitching at the refs, like pathetic school girls.

 

[Wolfie]

Patty is just a leader. This Meyn fool doesnt have a clue. Sometimes, it doesnt matter how old you are. If you are the best person for the job, you get the job. You cant manufacture a leader.

 

[Fozz]

It's just the makeup of the squad.

Lodge and Croft seem to be the only other real leadership candidates outside of Glenn and Patty.

Wonder if Meyn moaned about the lack of leadership when Gutherson was named co-captain and then captain before he even played 75 games at NRL level?

 

[vertigo]

"Seibs told me a while back (about losing the captaincy). I am a team guy and realistic.

 

[lynx000]

LIke everything else in life, Patty will mature into the role of Bronco's captain. He may not have all the edges smoothed out at present but I'd much rather we had him as our captain than some of the other guys 'leading' the other NRL teams.

If this sort of added pressure does not break the young man, it will only make him an even stronger leader for us in the future, and like I said last season I still think the Broncos as a club are still another two seasons away from being a genuine heavyweight again.

I know we all want immediate success, but building a window of time that gives us the means to successfully challenge and win a GF takes patience and planning. If done correctly that window of time can stretch to nine or ten years and produce a further 3 or 4 titles for us.

Not wishing to sound negative, but I think our next captain to lift the premiership trophy will be Patty, but it won't be this season or next. Until then I'm happy to watch us progressively improve.

I think this is what we are all hoping for are signs of genuine improvement this and signs of some consistency and structure in both attack and defence. If we see that, and make the eight higher than 6th I think we will be heading in the right direction.

If not, if we have similar signs to last year, I will be off Seibold and have significant doubts that we went the right way.

 

[lynx000]

Patty is just a leader. This Meyn fool doesnt have a clue. Sometimes, it doesnt matter how old you are. If you are the best person for the job, you get the job. You cant manufacture a leader.

The fact that he has been identified as such and Seibold is pushing his leadership barrow gives me some faint hope that Seibold might have a clue.

 

[tommy]

No it doesn’t, some people are leaders and some aren’t. Your age or pay packet has no impact on your leadership ability. Not everyone can and should be a leader and there is nothing wrong with that.

Agree.

 

[rnabokov]

Patty is just a leader. This Meyn fool doesnt have a clue. Sometimes, it doesnt matter how old you are. If you are the best person for the job, you get the job. You cant manufacture a leader.

No you can't. And Patty is a leader. He is born to it. You just have to watch him play. He leads by example: heart, soul and fearless. Just what this team needs and what has been missing for years. He will be the leader this team needs.

 

[CountingMaccasDiet]

Name one nrl play/highlight that makes you think Carrigan is a great leader?