China and the CCP

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So there is a lot of talk about China at the moment, and there is a lot of resentment towards China at the moment. There is a very important discussion to be had in the West from now, and over the coming months, about how the world should react to this.

Will the lies of COVID-19 be the straw that breaks the camel's back? Will the West finally realise that China isn't apart of the international community and should be treated as such?

An exhaustive list of the terrible inhuman things they do, would cause our server to crash, but this time, they're fucked the entire world over. Will it change? Should it change?

I have a feeling nothing will change, because old white men in charge love money, and well, China will have money by the time everyone else starts bouncing back. My opninion, we cut the cunts out completely, sanction them harder than Iran, Russia and NK combined, and watch them crumble. I really hope Vlad is furious too. If Russia is on board, it'll be a beautiful thing to watch.
 

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China should be the ones paying for all these stimulus packages in every country, they have plenty of money.
 

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Why though does the US say get a free pass despite all their human rights abuses, lies, etc then? Doesn't seem particularly fair.
 

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is this whataboutism?
Sure, why not? Obviously, I have a far stronger affinity towards China than most on here but I genuinely think they do a lot of things better than the west do. They also do get a lot of things wrong for sure.

But I will leave it there, I genuinely try not to be political.
 

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Sure, why not? Obviously, I have a far stronger affinity towards China than most on here but I genuinely think they do a lot of things better than the west do. They also do get a lot of things wrong for sure.

But I will leave it there, I genuinely try not to be political.
well you see, whataboutism doesn't serve any purpose but to distract from the conversation. if the topic is about what china and the ccp are doing, apart from distracting the convo, what purpose does it serve mentioning the US?

if you opened a similar thread re: united states, i'm sure you would have a lot of responses in there criticising them for the multitude of evils they have perpetrated.
 
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Nashy

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Why though does the US say get a free pass despite all their human rights abuses, lies, etc then? Doesn't seem particularly fair.
This isn't about the USA and their multitude of problems, most of which are openly discussed on here. There might be secrecy and crimes in the USA, and every country, but nothing scales in comparison to the CONSTANT lies and deceit of China.

The USA has free media, and publications that try to find the bad shit they do. They can easily vote out the government that does wrong by them, they can react when they don't like something, they can say "**** Donald Trump and **** this government". And, their doctors are allowed to say "We have a real problem with this unknown virus" without getting put in jail.

Nothing the USA has done has caused such a major failure of world economies and millions (billions yet?) of people out of work, the companies closing, markets tanking, money just disappearing in front of us. This pales compared to the banking collapse.

And you know why it got so bad? Because they fucking lied. You have spoken in recent days about you checking news out of China that we likely wouldn't find or have access to, as if it's not state run like the rest of it. And no amount of time that you spent in China, is going to change the fact that the CCP are absolute cunts on this Earth.
 
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I'm not taking anything away from what China have done, are doing, and continue to do. I am just very cynical about what we are being told, and how much outrage to throw their way, when I am convinced that the US are deliberately trying to make them out to be the Bad Guys At The Moment. Why? Because America owe a lot of money, and China is #1 on that list. $1.07 trillion as of December 2019. They will do anything to get out of that debt, and we've seen they will happily instigate war when there is something in it for them.

So, grain of salt.
 

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I think Aus is either considering or putting out a ban on China buying out Aus companies during this crisis? Anyone know the details?
 

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I think a gradual but substantial removal of China as a major part of our, for lack of a better word, ecosystem, is the best course.

Any major immediate withdrawal will not benefit us.

I understand that when in business, your goal is profits, specifically for your shareholders which in turn gets you money and power, but it’s disgusting how low the West has sunk to get there by letting conglomerates buy up business and close down local factories to move them overseas and yet pay little to no tax at the same time.

Without going full-socialism, we need to be a self-sustainable country should an event like this happen again. All expenses of things here will always outweigh the costs of making things in massive factories manned by a billion people that have no say in their wages and working conditions, but in time costs will decrease to an acceptable level. So we may have to pay another $5 for something here or there. I know I’ll be happier paying knowing that it won’t be going overseas and will go back into the local economy as it’s being paid to a worker that lives here.

For this to work we probably need some huge changes to our economy in the way of things like tax cuts to necessary industries to promote growth and become a larger exporter than importer. Also of things we do need to import, a purposeful fair spread of where we get them from. A largely centralised manufacturing location for the world is just asking for trouble.

Foreign investment is still fine, obviously, along with imports and exports, as they are all necessary otherwise it’s just money going in circles at best, but they should not be allowed to upset the balance like they have.

Same with housing, same with universities. We kowtow to China mainly because of money, we need to slowly but surely dry up that well as best we can along with the rest of the world. The green energy revolution will hopefully do a lot of the grunt work with that
 
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I don’t feel much particular anger toward China for this. They definitely could have handled it better.

My bigger concern is what they were doing to with Uygur concentration camps, organ harvesting, and the Hong Kong protests. Corona has overtaken the news and I’m worried that it’s allowed them to just get away with it and it to be swept under the rug.

what they have been doing to that minority group is legitimately bordering on Nazi levels if the many first hand accounts are to be believed.
 

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I am concerned this will lead to WW3. I know it probably wont, but there will be ramifications from this event that i don't think any of us can predict.
Relations between the US and China are easily at the worst they have ever been.
China is insanely proud and their image to the rest of the world is paramount.
China also "wants" to be the number one superpower in the world, no doubt about it.
Trade relations with China and the rest of the world will never be the same again, probably a good thing for the rest of the world, and an insulting and terrible thing for China, that will take it personally.
There is no scenario where a world war with China ends well for anyone involved, almost certainly mutual destruction on a global scale.
I would say China probably has the most nuclear warheads on earth, more than America and Russia combined.
They have the largest standing army, and their people are brainwashed from day one to serve the CCP.
This could get really interesting over the next few years, especially when the threat of the virus dies down and people inevitably turn their attention to China for answers.
Calm before the storm maybe.
 

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I am concerned this will lead to WW3. I know it probably wont, but there will be ramifications from this event that i don't think any of us can predict.
Relations between the US and China are easily at the worst they have ever been.
China is insanely proud and their image to the rest of the world is paramount.
China also "wants" to be the number one superpower in the world, no doubt about it.
Trade relations with China and the rest of the world will never be the same again, probably a good thing for the rest of the world, and an insulting and terrible thing for China, that will take it personally.
There is no scenario where a world war with China ends well for anyone involved, almost certainly mutual destruction on a global scale.
I would say China probably has the most nuclear warheads on earth, more than America and Russia combined.
They have the largest standing army, and their people are brainwashed from day one to serve the CCP.
This could get really interesting over the next few years, especially when the threat of the virus dies down and people inevitably turn their attention to China for answers.
Calm before the storm maybe.
20 years ago, the stories of there were stories of an "underground army", supposedly tens of millions of military personnel just on standby should they be needed. Considering how ambitious their government has been in recent years, it's a scary thought.
 

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I think a gradual but substantial removal of China as a major part of our, for lack of a better word, ecosystem, is the best course.

Any major immediate withdrawal will not benefit us.

I understand that when in business, your goal is profits, specifically for your shareholders which in turn gets you money and power, but it’s disgusting how low the West has sunk to get there by letting conglomerates buy up business and close down local factories to move them overseas and yet pay little to no tax at the same time.
This was first done and enacted by the Lima Declaration. It is still in place. It was supposed to shift at least 25% of our manufacturing overseas to help poor nations but as we know it didn't have a ceiling.
Some think it was a move to a world government ( Highwayman Highwayman ).

The Lima Declaration is a UN-led initiative that seeks to “flatten” the world's production to redistribute wealth to give all nations a “fair share”. It is an international trade agreement similar to G.A.T.T, (General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs).


The full title of the Lima treaty is "Lima Declaration And Plan Of Action On Industrial Development And Co-Operation." The treaty was signed in 1975 at a convention of the United Nations Industrial Development Organization, in Lima, Peru.

A more patriotic viewpoint below

Over 40 years ago, United Nations countries met in Peru to sign an economic death warrant that had an unprecedented lasting effect on Australia and the rest of the developed world.

Since then, our national car industry has disappeared, steel making continues to suffer, farming is in a crisis and our petroleum industry is under severe threat of being moved overseas. It has left Australia short of technology, tools and jobs for the modern world, and has set the foundation for a rapid decline of our nation’s most important industries.

In the pursuit of an open world, the Lima Declaration unlocked the gates that sealed the divide between the First World and the Third World, allowing the line to be blurred and Australia integrated into a plantation for exploitation:
 

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I am concerned this will lead to WW3. I know it probably wont, but there will be ramifications from this event that i don't think any of us can predict.
Relations between the US and China are easily at the worst they have ever been.
China is insanely proud and their image to the rest of the world is paramount.
China also "wants" to be the number one superpower in the world, no doubt about it.
Trade relations with China and the rest of the world will never be the same again, probably a good thing for the rest of the world, and an insulting and terrible thing for China, that will take it personally.
There is no scenario where a world war with China ends well for anyone involved, almost certainly mutual destruction on a global scale.
I would say China probably has the most nuclear warheads on earth, more than America and Russia combined.
They have the largest standing army, and their people are brainwashed from day one to serve the CCP.
This could get really interesting over the next few years, especially when the threat of the virus dies down and people inevitably turn their attention to China for answers.
Calm before the storm maybe.
There will be no WW3. I obviously can't say this with 100% surety, but I can say it with 99.9% surety.

Why? Simply put, regardless of the greed/corruption of China/Russia/US, the rich and powerful know their money is worth zero in a post-apocalyptic landscape. I don't believe if it push comes to shove, they'll be willing to risk everything.

I am sure there will be regionalised conflicts in the future, but I doubt it will ever expand into a full blown global war.
 

Alec

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As long as BHQ doesn't become owned by Tencent and we have to communicate with WeChat, I think we can call it a win.
 

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There's quite a bit I don't like about China, the attempt at covering up the virus obviously included, but I am most angry at our own leaders and businesses that have given them so much power over the last few decades. I think it might be the most selfish thing in the history of the world.
 

Kimlo

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Is there any truth to China letting 5 million people out of Wuhan before they went into lockdown?
 

Midean

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Is there any truth to China letting 5 million people out of Wuhan before they went into lockdown?
Yes, but this was before the panic had set in, and before any lockdowns had been put in place. Still highly suspect and dodgy as ****.
China has a lot to answer for in terms of loss of life and tanking of economies.
That being said, i don't think there is a country in the world that will trust china again after this, not for the foreseeable future anyway.
It would be a different story if they had not tried to cover it up from the start, wasting precious weeks the rest of the world would have had to impose travel restrictions from Hubei province and initiating early testing and tracking of cases.
China will have to work hard, for the next hundred years rebuilding their global reputation and establishing trust with other countries.
Their people will suffer, which is the saddest part of all this because its their Government that is fucking everyone over, not their citizens.
 

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