NEWS Coach Creampies: I felt it was a big step forward

[McHunt]

Specialist team-wrecker, Anthony Sebum, or "Bumsie" as his Paddington Pilates galpals call him, had this to say about his team's 10th loss from 11 starts since the season returned:

“It’s the most resilient we have been for a while, we turned them away a few times, I felt it was a big step forward.”

“Dave scored a good try and had some strong carries but we have to get field position for guys like him and Tevita (Pangai Jr) to have an impact. David did a really good job across the 80 minutes, he’s only been back training fully in the last two weeks. “We had no set plan to bring him off, we wanted to see how he was travelling but he got through those 80 minutes pretty well.”

“It was really frustrating. I can’t fault the effort but the difference of the teams was the penalty counts and the end of sets. I never want to talk about the referees. There were a couple of decisions where we were left bewildered, especially with some of the penalties around the escorts, but it’s certainly not why we lost. We’re second last on the ladder and the 50-50 calls don’t go to teams at the bottom end of the ladder."

“Payne was outstanding, he is a very consistent guy and he did a hell of a job."

The blundering cheesecake-guzzling fart-factory refused to be drawn into questions about his antecessor and rival coach Wayne Bennett, but had this to say about his assistants' COVID bans:

“I only heard about it around lunchtime, we were on a 2.30pm flight. I don’t know too many details other than they have been fined. It’s certainly no excuse for our loss.”

Meanwhile on Fox League, former Bronco Michael Ennis was traveling to the beat a different drum:

"Some of the tries they have conceded have been horrible, horrible. Certainly in the last few weeks, there has been a lot more steel and effort in a lot of areas in their game but it just seems like any time the opposition gets down on their line, that they just leak points and they leak points too easily."

“Geez that’s an ordinary miss from Jake Turpin and they’re straight through the engine room, straight through Lodge and Haas. Nicholls won’t score an easier try. That’s unbelievable. That was a really simple one.”

Greg Alexander floundered:

“The Brisbane Broncos, I honestly don’t know where they go. David Fifita will be better for the run and you would hope he would involve himself more as the season goes on, but the season is almost done. I thought Brisbane were a chance tonight because the Rabbitohs haven’t been great. I just thought there’s a bit more confidence with some of their key players back on the field, but they’re just not good enough. They’re just not good enough. When it got to 20-10 and Fifita scored, but they don’t know how to take the game to a place where it puts them in striking distance. What that means for Anthony Seibold over the next seven weeks — and the way they’re playing, they may end the season with just one win since the resumption.”

Braith Anasta questioned their collective brain function:

“They’re already looking for answers. It’s a lack of mental fortitude and resilience that we saw there with that soft try when Turpin missed. It was ordinary and that really concerns me. It was a soft attempt. This was soft, off a set-piece that close to the line to come up with a try straight through the middle, that’s not a good sign.”

Rabs and Gus spent the evening daisy chaining tut-tuts:

“He‘s pointed to the spot – oh dear that’s soft"

“You‘re in the shadows of halftime, eight points down in a game that means a lot to you. The big fella just strolls through the meat of the Broncos forward pack. They‘re just standing around looking at each other, he’s barged through them."

“He just took it up for a settler and came up with a four-pointer. There‘s not one player that put his shoulder into his work there.”

So how was your Friday night, otherwise, BHQ?

McHunt

 

[Sproj]

Yeah same rubbish different week. If the board really cared about the club they would remove the coach. This hole is getting so deep it will take years to recover from

 

[McHunt]

Yeah same rubbish different week. If the board really cared about the club they would remove the coach. This hole is getting so deep it will take years to recover from

He might as well come out and read a poem at this point.

 

[IceWorks]

Another week and more positives to consider.

 

[McHunt]

Another week and more positives to consider.

 

[rnabokov]

Yeah same rubbish different week. If the board really cared about the club they would remove the coach. This hole is getting so deep it will take years to recover from

Sometimes I wonder at the disconnect between fact and fiction, where we substitute fiction for fact to justify whatever personal agendas we hold, and we all have them, me included. The trouble with using fiction as a basis for action is that it too often misses the point, or points of relevance.

Take this quote from the above, from Rabs and Gus: "

“You‘re in the shadows of halftime, eight points down in a game that means a lot to you. The big fella just strolls through the meat of the Broncos forward pack. They‘re just standing around looking at each other, he’s barged through them."

“He just took it up for a settler and came up with a four-pointer. There‘s not one player that put his shoulder into his work there.”

So, my question then is, is sacking Seibold the best solution to the failure of personal responsibility that sits squarely on the shoulders of Turpin, Haas and Lodge, to give their all ,their best for the side, and for the coach?

And maybe, just maybe therein lies the truth of the matter. That key players aren't interested in giving their all, because they don't play for their coach. Maybe that is the issue. That the tail is wagging the dog. Maybe Seibold needs to go simply because he can't get the faith and loyalty of his key players.

For mine, one of Seibold's biggest problems as a coach is that he can't, so far at least, get the best from his players and therefore the team. That in itself is a good reason to sack him. However, at the same time, players who don't give their all for each other, for the team, for the club and for the fans also need to be held accountable. It's a fine line I agree, but one we need to tread carefully.

Look at those players who try their guts out: Dearden, Carrigan and Farnworth as 3 examples. Would they have just stood around and watched as "the big fella came at them?

Fair enough, sack Seibold. But is it fair enough that we can all live with the tail wagging the dog. Reminds me of the saying: the end justifies the means. Well, we enter that territory at our peril because somewhere in there, the truth gets lost and when that happens, important things like integrity, honour, personal responsibility also get lost which for mine undermines the true foundations of what makes a player, a team and a club, great.

And calling Seibold names, WTF? What's that got to do with his coaching? OK, so let's continue in this vein. Let's curse "blundering cheesecake-guzzling fart-factory Turpin, Haas and Lodge for just standing around as they watched the "big fella" stroll through them. Fucking useless fat bastards.

Sack them all.

 

[McHunt]

And calling Seibold names, WTF? What's that got to do with his coaching? OK, so let's continue in this vein. Let's curse "blundering cheesecake-guzzling fart-factory Turpin, Haas and Lodge for just standing around as they watched the "big fella" stroll through them. Fucking useless fat bastards.

I want to stress I was in no way shaming customers of the Cheesecake Shop by way of association. There are lot of fine people who enjoy copious servings of cake and other high carbohydrate snacks.

In fact, I had this one specially made for him to celebrate last night's margin.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Sometimes I wonder at the disconnect between fact and fiction, where we substitute fiction for fact to justify whatever personal agendas we hold, and we all have them, me included. The trouble with using fiction as a basis for action is that it too often misses the point, or points of relevance.

Take this quote from the above, from Rabs and Gus: "

“You‘re in the shadows of halftime, eight points down in a game that means a lot to you. The big fella just strolls through the meat of the Broncos forward pack. They‘re just standing around looking at each other, he’s barged through them."

“He just took it up for a settler and came up with a four-pointer. There‘s not one player that put his shoulder into his work there.”

So, my question then is, is sacking Seibold the best solution to the failure of personal responsibility that sits squarely on the shoulders of Turpin, Haas and Lodge, to give their all ,their best for the side, and for the coach?

And maybe, just maybe therein lies the truth of the matter. That key players aren't interested in giving their all, because they don't play for their coach. Maybe that is the issue. That the tail is wagging the dog. Maybe Seibold needs to go simply because he can't get the faith and loyalty of his key players.

For mine, one of Seibold's biggest problems as a coach is that he can't, so far at least, get the best from his players and therefore the team. That in itself is a good reason to sack him. However, at the same time, players who don't give their all for each other, for the team, for the club and for the fans also need to be held accountable. It's a fine line I agree, but one we need to tread carefully.

Look at those players who try their guts out: Dearden, Carrigan and Farnworth as 3 examples. Would they have just stood around and watched as "the big fella came at them?

Fair enough, sack Seibold. But is it fair enough that we can all live with the tail wagging the dog. Reminds me of the saying: the end justifies the means. Well, we enter that territory at our peril because somewhere in there, the truth gets lost and when that happens, important things like integrity, honour, personal responsibility also get lost which for mine undermines the true foundations of what makes a player, a team and a club, great.

And calling Seibold names, WTF? What's that got to do with his coaching? OK, so let's continue in this vein. Let's curse "blundering cheesecake-guzzling fart-factory Turpin, Haas and Lodge for just standing around as they watched the "big fella" stroll through them. Fucking useless fat bastards.

Sack them all.

Yes.......for all the vitriol poured onto Seibold....very little seems to get said about the players who allow these things to happen.

 

[Broncos Maestro]

I don’t know what types of jobs you fine people at BHQ have had but sacking Pies is DEFINITELY the right decision to move the team forward.
If your leader/manager/boss cannot inspire the team to work together, build bonds and open lines of communication, it definitely rests on their shoulders. The fact they don’t care and aren’t “playing for the coach” shows that he has ZERO charisma and has no leadership qualities whatsoever.
I’m not saying that no players are immune from blame *cough BoydMilfCroftLodge cough* but if things are toxic at the top then you have to “cut off the head”.
The longer the club keeps this sorry excuse of a coach on the books, it’s going make it super easy for a second Brisbane team to quickly rip the legacy of the Broncos apart while also stealing the bulk of the fan base.

 

[McHunt]

Yes.......for all the vitriol poured onto Seibold....very little seems to get said about the players who allow these things to happen.

I don't see them as having any say in the matter. You can't look at a pack that includes Fifita, Haas, TPJ and Carrigan and think it's the player roster at fault.

 

[NSW stables]

Does this guy know what resilient means? We had 28 points put on us by an average souths team in the wet! A couple of those tries straight up the middle.

Then saying the team need to get TPJ and fifita in a position? They are the forwards! They should be doing the hard work to get into that position! I have not heard robinson say they need to get crichton or cordner up the field to make an impact, or bellamy say they need to get kafusi or bromwich up there.

This guy is a complete space cadet.

 

[Nashy]

Yes.......for all the vitriol poured onto Seibold....very little seems to get said about the players who allow these things to happen.

Are you reading the same forum?

- Boyd
- Milford
- Croft
- Issako
- Flegler
- Carrigan
- Luke

Plus plenty more, all cop their fair share of hate on here.

 

[Sproj]

Sometimes I wonder at the disconnect between fact and fiction, where we substitute fiction for fact to justify whatever personal agendas we hold, and we all have them, me included. The trouble with using fiction as a basis for action is that it too often misses the point, or points of relevance.

Take this quote from the above, from Rabs and Gus: "

“You‘re in the shadows of halftime, eight points down in a game that means a lot to you. The big fella just strolls through the meat of the Broncos forward pack. They‘re just standing around looking at each other, he’s barged through them."

“He just took it up for a settler and came up with a four-pointer. There‘s not one player that put his shoulder into his work there.”

So, my question then is, is sacking Seibold the best solution to the failure of personal responsibility that sits squarely on the shoulders of Turpin, Haas and Lodge, to give their all ,their best for the side, and for the coach?

And maybe, just maybe therein lies the truth of the matter. That key players aren't interested in giving their all, because they don't play for their coach. Maybe that is the issue. That the tail is wagging the dog. Maybe Seibold needs to go simply because he can't get the faith and loyalty of his key players.

For mine, one of Seibold's biggest problems as a coach is that he can't, so far at least, get the best from his players and therefore the team. That in itself is a good reason to sack him. However, at the same time, players who don't give their all for each other, for the team, for the club and for the fans also need to be held accountable. It's a fine line I agree, but one we need to tread carefully.

Look at those players who try their guts out: Dearden, Carrigan and Farnworth as 3 examples. Would they have just stood around and watched as "the big fella came at them?

Fair enough, sack Seibold. But is it fair enough that we can all live with the tail wagging the dog. Reminds me of the saying: the end justifies the means. Well, we enter that territory at our peril because somewhere in there, the truth gets lost and when that happens, important things like integrity, honour, personal responsibility also get lost which for mine undermines the true foundations of what makes a player, a team and a club, great.

And calling Seibold names, WTF? What's that got to do with his coaching? OK, so let's continue in this vein. Let's curse "blundering cheesecake-guzzling fart-factory Turpin, Haas and Lodge for just standing around as they watched the "big fella" stroll through them. Fucking useless fat bastards.

Sack them all.

I want to say firstly that I agree with everything in this post. Let me break down the points as well:

1. The name calling of the coach is atrocious and I have not once joined in them because it is disgraceful. There is no need for it and it is so so childish. The guy is clearly out of his depth but there is no need to be so rude about it and this mob mentality is pathetic. Pies is such a dumb nickname and it is no surprise when you consider who started it.

2. The players are very much at fault, I don't think anyone who is being honest would suggest otherwise but rightly or wrongly, it is easier to get rid of the coach first. I feel really sad about this but Brisbane needs to actually learn lessons from the Titans here. Their self-arrogance and self-righteousness, sense of entitlement and pure incompetence though means that from the board down they probably won't. The Titans needed to move BOTH Henry AND Hayne on, so they did but they then chose the wrong coach to come in and still had the same board making the same dumb decisions by bringing in overrated players on big contracts. So the point is, the team needs to remove the coach AND the revolters / horrible examples - Milford, Boyd, Joffa. The problem is no one wants them. They also have a lot of other deadwood on inflated contracts but that is another story. This will take far longer because, again following the TItans lead, you need to recruit the right replacements.

3. The coach is ALSO a problem and whether it is inability or unwillingness, he cannot get this side to fire, to put in effort or fix the same problems that are coming up again and again and again. Players coming in from their wings, players not putting shoulders in close to the line, players dropping balls, players giving away dumb penalties, players being shifted every week, holding back players who are ready AND want to play for the coach it seems - Dearden, Kennar, Kennedy and Paix for example. There is absolutely no consistency in the side whatsoever and the players are totally confused by a coach who is just throwing hand grenades and hoping for a quick fix. It is though he is coaching via fantasy football. Players who are giving their all are not being supported by getting breaks they need.

Accountability needs to start at the board level and flow down. Now the board deflect, so so does everyone else. To get rid of the coach as a minimum reflects poorly on them and they are putting self interest ahead of the club. Regardless, an unwillingness to get rid of the coach (who may well make it some day somewhere else) who has drowned, well past drowning, in the role needs to happen immediately.

Bringing in a guy like Kevvie who may not be the best coach in the world, who knows, is super important on a SHORT-TERM deal. Let him keep coaching origin and bring him for the rest of this year and next. Then at the end of 2021 re-assess. If he has instilled a culture and a structure, back him in. If he hasn't, go after one of the gun coaches off contract - Bellamy, Robinson, Bennett even or whoever else has stood up by then. It is also the year Boyd, Bird, Lodge, Macca and Milf, maybe even TPJ too can finally be off the books (unless Bird stays fit and accepts a heavily reduced contract that is) and you can go to market and target what you need WITH the money to get it. At that stage, you've got a culture, accountability, structure and gun youth who are not ruined as they are being presently under this coach and the horrible example of the 'star' players.

 

[lynx000]

I want to say firstly that I agree with everything in this post. Let me break down the points as well:

1. The name calling of the coach is atrocious and I have not once joined in them because it is disgraceful. There is no need for it and it is so so childish. The guy is clearly out of his depth but there is no need to be so rude about it and this mob mentality is pathetic. Pies is such a dumb nickname and it is no surprise when you consider who started it.

2. The players are very much at fault, I don't think anyone who is being honest would suggest otherwise but rightly or wrongly, it is easier to get rid of the coach first. I feel really sad about this but Brisbane needs to actually learn lessons from the Titans here. Their self-arrogance and self-righteousness, sense of entitlement and pure incompetence though means that from the board down they probably won't. The Titans needed to move BOTH Henry AND Hayne on, so they did but they then chose the wrong coach to come in and still had the same board making the same dumb decisions by bringing in overrated players on big contracts. So the point is, the team needs to remove the coach AND the revolters / horrible examples - Milford, Boyd, Joffa. The problem is no one wants them. They also have a lot of other deadwood on inflated contracts but that is another story. This will take far longer because, again following the TItans lead, you need to recruit the right replacements.

3. The coach is ALSO a problem and whether it is inability or unwillingness, he cannot get this side to fire, to put in effort or fix the same problems that are coming up again and again and again. Players coming in from their wings, players not putting shoulders in close to the line, players dropping balls, players giving away dumb penalties, players being shifted every week, holding back players who are ready AND want to play for the coach it seems - Dearden, Kennar, Kennedy and Paix for example. There is absolutely no consistency in the side whatsoever and the players are totally confused by a coach who is just throwing hand grenades and hoping for a quick fix. It is though he is coaching via fantasy football. Players who are giving their all are not being supported by getting breaks they need.

Accountability needs to start at the board level and flow down. Now the board deflect, so so does everyone else. To get rid of the coach as a minimum reflects poorly on them and they are putting self interest ahead of the club. Regardless, an unwillingness to get rid of the coach (who may well make it some day somewhere else) who has drowned, well past drowning, in the role needs to happen immediately.

Bringing in a guy like Kevvie who may not be the best coach in the world, who knows, is super important on a SHORT-TERM deal. Let him keep coaching origin and bring him for the rest of this year and next. Then at the end of 2021 re-assess. If he has instilled a culture and a structure, back him in. If he hasn't, go after one of the gun coaches off contract - Bellamy, Robinson, Bennett even or whoever else has stood up by then. It is also the year Boyd, Bird, Lodge, Macca and Milf, maybe even TPJ too can finally be off the books (unless Bird stays fit and accepts a heavily reduced contract that is) and you can go to market and target what you need WITH the money to get it. At that stage, you've got a culture, accountability, structure and gun youth who are not ruined as they are being presently under this coach and the horrible example of the 'star' players.

Great post, I completely agree.

 

[McHunt]

1. Pies is such a dumb nickname and it is no surprise when you consider who started it.

That is an extremely rude thing to say about his wife.

 

[rnabokov]

I want to say firstly that I agree with everything in this post. Let me break down the points as well:

1. The name calling of the coach is atrocious and I have not once joined in them because it is disgraceful. There is no need for it and it is so so childish. The guy is clearly out of his depth but there is no need to be so rude about it and this mob mentality is pathetic. Pies is such a dumb nickname and it is no surprise when you consider who started it.

2. The players are very much at fault, I don't think anyone who is being honest would suggest otherwise but rightly or wrongly, it is easier to get rid of the coach first. I feel really sad about this but Brisbane needs to actually learn lessons from the Titans here. Their self-arrogance and self-righteousness, sense of entitlement and pure incompetence though means that from the board down they probably won't. The Titans needed to move BOTH Henry AND Hayne on, so they did but they then chose the wrong coach to come in and still had the same board making the same dumb decisions by bringing in overrated players on big contracts. So the point is, the team needs to remove the coach AND the revolters / horrible examples - Milford, Boyd, Joffa. The problem is no one wants them. They also have a lot of other deadwood on inflated contracts but that is another story. This will take far longer because, again following the TItans lead, you need to recruit the right replacements.

3. The coach is ALSO a problem and whether it is inability or unwillingness, he cannot get this side to fire, to put in effort or fix the same problems that are coming up again and again and again. Players coming in from their wings, players not putting shoulders in close to the line, players dropping balls, players giving away dumb penalties, players being shifted every week, holding back players who are ready AND want to play for the coach it seems - Dearden, Kennar, Kennedy and Paix for example. There is absolutely no consistency in the side whatsoever and the players are totally confused by a coach who is just throwing hand grenades and hoping for a quick fix. It is though he is coaching via fantasy football. Players who are giving their all are not being supported by getting breaks they need.

Accountability needs to start at the board level and flow down. Now the board deflect, so so does everyone else. To get rid of the coach as a minimum reflects poorly on them and they are putting self interest ahead of the club. Regardless, an unwillingness to get rid of the coach (who may well make it some day somewhere else) who has drowned, well past drowning, in the role needs to happen immediately.

Bringing in a guy like Kevvie who may not be the best coach in the world, who knows, is super important on a SHORT-TERM deal. Let him keep coaching origin and bring him for the rest of this year and next. Then at the end of 2021 re-assess. If he has instilled a culture and a structure, back him in. If he hasn't, go after one of the gun coaches off contract - Bellamy, Robinson, Bennett even or whoever else has stood up by then. It is also the year Boyd, Bird, Lodge, Macca and Milf, maybe even TPJ too can finally be off the books (unless Bird stays fit and accepts a heavily reduced contract that is) and you can go to market and target what you need WITH the money to get it. At that stage, you've got a culture, accountability, structure and gun youth who are not ruined as they are being presently under this coach and the horrible example of the 'star' players.

So well put. Hats off.

Another 5c worth .... The more I think of it the more I am convinced that this entire mess is because Bennett should have remained our coach in 2019 and maybe even beyond. This of course has been well ventilated in these threads, yet it is for me now more than ever, so important. Watching that clip recently posted of Souths players dancing with Bennett brought tears to my eyes when I compared that to our dressing room.

I reckon now, admittedly in hindsight, that if he had stayed, we would be a top 4 side. Anyway, this fiasco is on the club and they are ultimately responsible for it. The way forward now is to learn from these clear mistakes or not, and if not, we will continue to decline, and I honestly don't believe that a new coach is the only answer. Certainly necessary, but not sufficient.

 

[McHunt]

So well put. Hats off.

Another 5c worth .... The more I think of it the more I am convinced that this entire mess is because Bennett should have remained our coach in 2019 and maybe even beyond. This of course has been well ventilated in these threads, yet it is for me now more than ever, so important. Watching that clip recently posted of Souths players dancing with Bennett brought tears to my eyes when I compared that to our dressing room.

I reckon now, admittedly in hindsight, that if he had stayed, we would be a top 4 side. Anyway, this fiasco is on the club and they are ultimately responsible for it. The way forward now is to learn from these clear mistakes or not, and if not, we will continue to decline, and I honestly don't believe that a new coach is the only answer. Certainly necessary, but not sufficient.

What if the Storm relocated to Brisbane and renamed themselves The Broncos? Might be our best chance of signing Bellamy and Smith.

 

[rnabokov]

What if the Storm relocated to Brisbane and renamed themselves The Broncos? Might be our best chance of signing Bellamy and Smith.

You know, I really really hate to admit this but part of me would like to have Bennett back here. More than anything, he was and remains the heart and soul of the Broncos and if anyone commands the respect and admiration of players - here, at the Broncos, it is Bennett.

There, I said it. Now stone me. (Well ... um, I already am). Makes the pain more bearable.