Coronavirus / COVID-19

Nashy

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I read somewhere that Trump / the Administration were trying to "buy" the rights to whatever vaccine they come up with. I don't know how accurate that is, or whether it's less shady than it sounds. But for mine, knowing what pharmaceutical companies are allowed to do there, charging thousands for critical drugs that cost nothing to manufacture, I get an awful feeling about America holding the world, or at least China, to ransom. With the cure in their hand, they can simply ask to have their $1.07 trillion debt wiped in exchange.
That would only work in Trump's head. If the shoddy yank companies are finding a cure, there's 10+ other countries likely just as close on their own, including China. They're a **** country, but they're smart too.
 

Midean

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Absolutely, it's disgusting if it's still happening, but you need to direct your anger in the right way. You can be mad at China, my god you can, so rip into them, hell, I'm thinking about making another thread to get some discussion and opinion on China now.

But this issue, if it's happening today, needs to be pointed squarly at Border Force. If there are private jets leaving this country, and they are not being checked, when our borders are apparently closed (Get Qatar increased flights???), that's on them. The department employed to stop it occuring.

The other side of that, and they said the other day, a lot of these warehouses have been stocked for a long time, and it's stored ready to go. So it might not be that they're still sending it, but more that Aus is still finding it.
For the record, im not mad at the Chinese people at all, i feel terribly sorry for them truth be told.
That being said, i think the CCP are evil for trying to cover this up initially when it would have spared the world what its going through right now.
 

Nashy

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For the record, im not mad at the Chinese people at all, i feel terribly sorry for them truth be told.
That being said, i think the CCP are evil for trying to cover this up initially when it would have spared the world what its going through right now.
I have no problem with the people there either, this is certainly not some racist shit. Some of them have some of the most filthy habits we see across the globe, but so do many. It's the constant cover-ups and lies, for years, and years, and years. I just hope this has hurt white males enough to actually say "Enough is enough".
 

I bleed Maroon

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Breaking on ABC right now: Six Qantas baggage handlers have tested positive for COVID19 at Adelaide Airport. This thing can survive on items and surfaces for an absurdly long time.

 
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Alec

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Australia manufacturing masks of our own now too. Hopefully this really ends up being a wake up call, and we end up restoring Australia's own production of things.

Wait, was this what Trump was trying to do in USA a year or 2 ago too?
 

Jedhead

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I think the government has been too slow and too weak in their reaction to this pandemic. Get a full lockdown in place now and stop this bastard virus in its tracks.

Yeh more people will suffer financial hardship in the beginning, but we can rebuild the economy - but we can't somehow magically bring our loved ones back from the dead if they fall victim to this pandemic. Health and wellbeing must come before the economy.

Finally, any company who has registered oversees to avoid tax should be told to take a run and **** themselves when they ask for a tax bailout.
 
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ivanhungryjak

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What is a full lock down though? Health workers, cops, etc still have to do their thing. Food and a whole host of other items still have to be produced. All those goods have to be distributed. I just don’t see how you stop human interaction completely.
 

theshed

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What is a full lock down though? Health workers, cops, etc still have to do their thing. Food and a whole host of other items still have to be produced. All those goods have to be distributed. I just don’t see how you stop human interaction completely.
The thing is, you don’t even want to fully stop human interaction. This disease is here now. What you want is minimal interaction so we all contract it at a very slow and staggered pace to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed.
 

Midean

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The thing is, you don’t even want to fully stop human interaction. This disease is here now. What you want is minimal interaction so we all contract it at a very slow and staggered pace to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed.
This. You cannot stop it. The same way you cannot stop the flu.
We want to draw this out as long as we can honestly, with the aim for a November peak.
A November peak would keep us well below the curve of normal hospital day to day operations, ensuring anyone who does get it, gets the absolute best care.
It will suck having a stage 3, 8 month lockdown, but it would absolutely be better in the long run.
By that stage, herd immunity would start to take effect, and you could do broader testing, allowing anyone who has recovered (testing for antibodies, not the virus itself) to return to work as normal. This is where China's code system would come into play, a green code means you have had and recovered from coronavirus, and have little to no chance of catching it and spreading it again.
An orange code means you have never had it, and can return to work, with the people who have a green code, but will be subject to quarantine should you catch it, an orange code would also mean you would be tracked to ensure contact tracing could be utilized should you catch it.
A red code means you stay in lockdown, as you are either sick, or asymptomatic or have been in contact with someone who has it. Once you test negative you get a green or orange code depending on the circumstances.
This system will stay in place until everyone has a green code, indicating full herd immunity and a return to normal life, or a vaccine is created and everyone is vaccinated ensuring further herd immunity.
Either way, we can write off 2020.
I just wish we had some goddamned footy to watch while we are locked down.
 
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Dexter

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This. You cannot stop it. The same way you cannot stop the flu.
We want to draw this out as long as we can honestly, with the aim for a November peak.
A November peak would keep us well below the curve of normal hospital day to day operations, ensuring anyone who does get it, gets the absolute best care.
It will suck having a stage 3, 8 month lockdown, but it would absolutely be better in the long run.
By that stage, herd immunity would start to take effect, and you could do broader testing, allowing anyone who has recovered (testing for antibodies, not the virus itself) to return to work as normal. This is where China's code system would come into play, a green code means you have had and recovered from coronavirus, and have little to no chance of catching it and spreading it again.
An orange code means you have never had it, and can return to work, with the people who have a green code, but will be subject to quarantine should you catch it, an orange code would also mean you would be tracked to ensure contact tracing could be utilized should you catch it.
A red code means you stay in lockdown, as you are either sick, or asymptomatic or have been in contact with someone who has it. Once you test negative you get a green or orange code depending on the circumstances.
This system will stay in place until everyone has a green code, indicating full herd immunity and a return to normal life, or a vaccine is created and everyone is vaccinated ensuring further herd immunity.
Either way, we can write off 2020.
I just wish we had some goddamned footy to watch while we are locked down.
Yes the herd immunity is what they want but I don't know how they will achieve it at current infection rates.

10 months only infects around another 155 000 people at 300 people a day.

If the current restrictions work that should slow. So I get what the aim is but I am still confused how they think they will achieve it.
At these rates we may as well have gone full lockdown and got it done.

As I've said before, I want to know what I am a part of. Why am I locked down with **** all to do and probably sacrificing 50% of my business ( at least ).
I'm good to go with it all but just please, Scomo, explain WTF the plan is.
 
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Alec

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Should wait until late April/early May to see if Wuhan hospitals start filling up again.
 

theshed

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They'd never tell.
lol yeah I’ve heard a few people say that China got it under control very quickly and so the blue print is their there to be followed. I personally wouldn’t believed a single statistic that comes out of China
 
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BroncsFan

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The thing is, you don’t even want to fully stop human interaction. This disease is here now. What you want is minimal interaction so we all contract it at a very slow and staggered pace to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed.
So how does this work into what NZ are doing.

If they go full lockdown and say it removes the virus from their society... isn't there just a risk that the virus pops up again when they open the borders or are they intending to keep the borders closed until a vaccine is developed in like 12 months??
 

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Had feedback from friends who just flew back from Taiwan into Briz, with regards to the 14 day "hotel isolation"
  • Coralled through customs and onto a bus and told to put on masks. Bus also carried Feds.
  • Bus ride to the Goldie and staying at the Voco (ex Watermark) hotel. Bus ride was police escorted...front and back.
  • They are able to use credit card details to order from a very restrictd room service menu. You can order piss /drinks and snacks......basically. Plus 3 meals are provided daily at the door from the Gov. Meals are ....ok
  • No go outside room
  • Internet
  • Largish HD TV....foxtel.....movies.......etc
  • No open windows or balcony
  • Smokers using bathroom exhaust fans at the moment. Talk of some kinda "free time" (30 mins) in a hotel court yard. maybe. Dunno
  • Friends & family are allowed to leave personal items at the front desk. They are taken then to the restricted person's room.
  • Only about 15 of them in this particular hotel

The Voco is pretty swank. Nice beds.
 
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Had feedback from friends who just flew back from Taiwan into Briz, with regards to the 14 day "hotel isolation"
  • Coralled through customs and onto a bus and told to put on masks. Bus also carried Feds.
  • Bus ride to the Goldie and staying at the Voco (ex Watermark) hotel. Bus ride was police escorted...front and back.
  • They are able to use credit card details to order from a very restrictd room service menu. You can order piss /drinks and snacks......basically. Plus 3 meals are provided daily at the door from the Gov. Meals are ....ok
  • No go outside room
  • Internet
  • Largish HD TV....foxtel.....movies.......etc
  • No open windows or balcony
  • Smokers using bathroom exhaust fans at the moment. Talk of some kinda "free time" (30 mins) in a hotel court yard. maybe. Dunno
  • Friends & family are allowed to leave personal items at the front desk. They are taken then to the restricted person's room.
  • Only about 15 of them in this particular hotel

The Voco is pretty swank. Nice beds.
That is honestly not bad AT ALL. Sign me up! A balcony would be nice but why are some of these ppl complaining about. The government should give them an option though..

Stay in a 5 star hotel funded by tax payers for 2 weeks. Or... **** OFF BACK TO THE OVER-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM COUNTEY THEY CAME FROM...
 
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Everyone can stop worrying..... it's over, this virus is done for..

Scomo prayed for us! Hallelujah! The all powerful being that would have created this if he was real can now end it due to a prayer, which I'm sure no one had ever done in Italy or middle America! This time it will work! Hallelujah! No vaccines for us everyone, pray is the way!
 
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