Illegal Recreational Drugs

[soup]

Okay, then let's look at this using the above perspective of "simply selling a product without any regard for social consequences". There are a bunch of guys on here "selling" the virtues of weed due to the simple fact they want to use it, and legalising it would make that easier. People like the person in question, with pre-existing mental issues, buys what people are pushing that it's a fantastic substance that is great for a whole assortment of reasons, particular pain / mental demons. Sounds like a great thing to use, especially by someone who appears to be struggling. Bam, there you go. Not only negative reactions to it, but addiction and the associated problem inherent, like the damage to relationships and general life. There are legit far reaching consequences.

Is it as bad as getting off your tits and trying to take on 5 cops and ending up in jail? No. But it's certainly not something you'd wish on someone, and hence the reason I do not buy in to this "it's safe" agenda that people want to push.

It’s not addictive...

I do understand your point, though.

 

[Morkel]

Cars are dangerous because some people are irresponsible drivers. Ban all cars.

That's what Americans use as an argument for their guns. If you want to start whataboutism, what about we test people for their suitability for marijuana use, and give them licenses that they have to renew periodically and must adhere to certain rules or risk losing it?

 

[holdzy]

That's what Americans use as an argument for their guns. If you want to start whataboutism, what about we test people for their suitability for marijuana use, and give them licenses that they have to renew periodically and must adhere to certain rules or risk losing it?

Should we do the same for fast food?
Alcohol?
Porn?

 

[Morkel]

Should we do the same for fast food?
Alcohol?
Porn?

No. I'm saying comparisons like drugs vs cars is not a fair comparison, as the use of a vehicle requires licenses, tests, and has huge amounts of safety and warning information pushed hard to the public.

 

[Galah]

On the fast food thing holdzy did you ever see the study done about which is more addictive out of sugar vs cocain with lab rats?

 

[holdzy]

No. I'm saying comparisons like drugs vs cars is not a fair comparison, as the use of a vehicle requires licenses, tests, and has huge amounts of safety and warning information pushed hard to the public.

Then the nature of the comparison between drugs and guns should be clear to you.

On the fast food thing holdzy did you ever see the study done about which is more addictive out of sugar vs cocain with lab rats?

I heard something about it. Sort of crazy that we don't treat sugar like a drug.

 

[mrslong]

Then the nature of the comparison between drugs and guns should be clear to you.



I heard something about it. Sort of crazy that we don't treat sugar like a drug.

Comparing Sugar with a drug like say Ice (extreme I know). Sugar doesn't make people completely lose their minds and hump the closest tree, it makes them fat and wanting more sugar. Ice can make someone stab 8 children in a violent bloody rampage (see Cairns tragedy).

 

[Galah]

This is just off the top of my head but they got 42 lab rats introduced to both sugar and cocain and when both substances were put in front of them 40 out of the 42 chose sugar.

people wonder why we have a health crisis..back in the 50’s fat was vilified and they took it out of everything and realised everything tasted like shit so they dumbed sugar into it. Boom sneaky addiction.

 

[Galah]

Comparing Sugar with a drug like say Ice (extreme I know). Sugar doesn't make people completely lose their minds and hump the closest tree, it makes them fat and wanting more sugar. Ice can make someone stab 8 children in a violent bloody rampage (see Cairns tragedy).

Yeah, I’m not comparing the extremes of the two just that it’s extremely addictive. I myself have probably sidetracked this. My bad

 

[holdzy]

Comparing Sugar with a drug like say Ice (extreme I know). Sugar doesn't make people completely lose their minds and hump the closest tree, it makes them fat and wanting more sugar. Ice can make someone stab 8 children in a violent bloody rampage (see Cairns tragedy).

All drugs have different effects. I've seen sugar addicted kids go nuts when hyped up, including becoming violent on occasion and then crashing like a heroin addict when they come down.

My point was more to do with how addictive it is and the neurological/physiological changes it produces, similar to the effects drugs have on the body, such as caffeine and nicotine.

 

[Morkel]

This is just off the top of my head but they got 42 lab rats introduced to both sugar and cocain and when both substances were put in front of them 40 out of the 42 chose sugar.

people wonder why we have a health crisis..back in the 50’s fat was vilified and they took it out of everything and realised everything tasted like shit so they dumbed sugar into it. Boom sneaky addiction.

You'd be hard pressed to find someone in a Western country that doesn't know that excessive sugar is bad. There is a lot of public education about it and governments spend a lot of money alongside health advocates to inform the public. And yet, look at us (me included). Big fat motherfucking chunguses. Humans can't help themselves, regardless of the amount of information presented. Hence why I err or the side of caution (and, where necessary, restriction). People can get the shits with me for having an old-person conservative view on this, but history is on my side.

 

[holdzy]

You'd be hard pressed to find someone in a Western country that doesn't know that excessive sugar is bad. There is a lot of public education about it and governments spend a lot of money alongside health advocates to inform the public. And yet, look at us (me included). Big fat motherfucking chunguses. Humans can't help themselves, regardless of the amount of information presented. Hence why I err or the side of caution (and, where necessary, restriction). People can get the shits with me for having an old-person conservative view on this, but history is on my side.

Not with weed though.

It's been around a lot longer than refined sugar.

 

[Broncapz]

People can get the shits with me for having an old-person conservative view on this, but history is on my side.

Well actually history shows that marijuana was made illegal for grossly racist and financial reasons. It was not made illegal for safety reasons.

The lies about marijuana were doubled down on in the 70's, but ultimately it gives government a reason to kick down the door and lock away otherwise normal and contributing members of society.

Fk that, and Fk anyone who wants to keep these completely injust and unproportional laws in place denying people affordable and safe access and turning citiziens into crimianls. It's dumb, medically unsound and unjust.

Added effects of prohibition :

1. Denying people access to safer cannabis.
2. Turning citizens into criminals.
3. Economic drain.
4. Eroding peoples trust in police and law enforcement to enforce just laws.
5. Encouraging people towards the more dangerous alcohol / prescription drugs because of legality.

 

[Morkel]

Well actually history shows that marijuana was made illegal for grossly racist and financial reasons. It was not made illegal for safety reasons.

The lies about marijuana were doubled down on in the 70's, but ultimately it gives government a reason to kick down the door and lock away otherwise normal and contributing members of society.

Fk that, and Fk anyone who wants to keep these completely injust and unproportional laws in place denying people affordable and safe access and turning citiziens into crimianls. It's dumb, medically unsound and unjust.

Selective history shows that to be a motivating factor but it's not the only reason, and there has not been any law put in place regarding drugs/substances that hasn't had some kind of political weight behind the decision. Just as I'm sure the huge money from alcohol and tobacco industries plays a massive part in keeping weed illegal.

But that's not my point. My point is that it is socially irresponsible to claim that weed is "safe" and that the only reason behind it being illegal is politics and old people. I'm happy for it to be legal as long as there are either safeguards and/or massive investments on education.

 

[Midean]

Selective history shows that to be a motivating factor but it's not the only reason, and there has not been any law put in place regarding drugs/substances that hasn't had some kind of political weight behind the decision. Just as I'm sure the huge money from alcohol and tobacco industries plays a massive part in keeping weed illegal.

But that's not my point. My point is that it is socially irresponsible to claim that weed is "safe" and that the only reason behind it being illegal is politics and old people. I'm happy for it to be legal as long as there are either safeguards and/or massive investments on education.

Its safer than booze mate, its insanity we live in a society where you can drink yourself into oblivion but you cant smoke a blunt and chill out on your couch.
In fact, if more people smoked, and less people drank, i would wager there would be a marked decrease in assaults, DV, car accidents and a whole host of other alcohol related issues.

Its also lunacy that people get locked up for weed. Imagine losing your freedom or your livelihood because you decided to smoke a bit. Crazy.

 

[Midean]

Selective history shows that to be a motivating factor but it's not the only reason, and there has not been any law put in place regarding drugs/substances that hasn't had some kind of political weight behind the decision. Just as I'm sure the huge money from alcohol and tobacco industries plays a massive part in keeping weed illegal.

But that's not my point. My point is that it is socially irresponsible to claim that weed is "safe" and that the only reason behind it being illegal is politics and old people. I'm happy for it to be legal as long as there are either safeguards and/or massive investments on education.

Thats the thing though, making it legal brings in quality control and safety parameters for its production and use, making it vastly safer than keeping it illegal.

 

[Broncapz]

Selective history shows that to be a motivating factor but it's not the only reason, and there has not been any law put in place regarding drugs/substances that hasn't had some kind of political weight behind the decision. Just as I'm sure the huge money from alcohol and tobacco industries plays a massive part in keeping weed illegal.

But that's not my point. My point is that it is socially irresponsible to claim that weed is "safe" and that the only reason behind it being illegal is politics and old people. I'm happy for it to be legal as long as there are either safeguards and/or massive investments on education.

Well currently it's marked as a "dangerous drug" which is quite egregious. Empirically it's safer than alcohol and prescription drugs, which is why it's mind boggling that it's illegal.

Prohobition actually also denies people the chance to know how strong their weed is, or even buy weed that just relaxes them and barely gets them high at all. Prohibition in a sense is making weed more dangerous in some fucked up way, it's also exposing normal people to criminal elements.

 

[Morkel]

Its safer than booze mate, its insanity we live in a society where you can drink yourself into oblivion but you cant smoke a blunt and chill out on your couch.
In fact, if more people smoked, and less people drank, i would wager there would be a marked decrease in assaults, DV, car accidents and a whole host of other alcohol related issues.

Its also lunacy that people get locked up for weed. Imagine losing your freedom or your livelihood because you decided to smoke a bit. Crazy.

Conversely, imagine getting yourself locked for doing something that is illegal, you know is illegal, but you're stupid enough to take the risk. If people believe it's really that fucking good, that they want to risk breaking the law for it, you can't tell me that there aren't dependency risks involved, even if there is technically no chemical addiction.

 

[holdzy]

Conversely, imagine getting yourself locked for doing something that is illegal, you know is illegal, but you're stupid enough to take the risk. If people believe it's really that fucking good, that they want to risk breaking the law for it, you can't tell me that there aren't dependency risks involved, even if there is technically no chemical addiction.

That's the important bit. We've already covered that anything can be psychologically addictive.

Breaking the law doesn't prove any type of dependency, what non-sense.

 

[Nashy]

Man, I have lived a sheltered life....

Good. It means you had good friends and people around you.

I dunno what others inner circle is like, but when it came to drugs and alcohol, we had one rule. It is that persons choice, end of. No one is teased, no one is pressured, if they don't wish to drink, or smoke weed, then leave it alone.