Illegal Recreational Drugs

[Sirlee oldman]

Nom, nom, nom.

I am going to give credit to mrslong for this but I love nom nom nom. It just speaks volumes and she (I think) used it first. Not knocking you my friend @soupy

 

[Petch67]

What do you call alcohol, or cigarettes then? Medical?

Dinner

 

[kooly87]

no such thing.

there are medicinal drugs and there are ILLEGAL drugs

Talk about using black and white to make yourself look daft.

There are medicinal drugs and non medicinal drugs. There are also legal and illegal versions of both of those things. In most of the world, hopping from one side of an imaginary line in the sand to another changes that status instantly, even if the drug itself is identical.

The sooner you hop out from under that rock, you'll realise the legal status of any number of substances has far more to do with the lobby groups that support them than any 'divine' characteristic that makes them fit for legal consumption or not.

Marijuana is just one currently illegal drug that you could just about absolutely guarantee will be 'legal' within the next decade. It won't have changed a single thing about it's biological or chemical makeup, but what will have changed is a group of people in Canberra working out how to tax the ever living **** out of it for profit.

 

[kooly87]

Yep I agree. I like drugs. I have taken drugs before and will take them in the future.

However, my current line of employment doesnt care what I do outside of hours, so it's not a concern.

When I previously worked at the mines, I was drug tested regularly and thus didnt do drugs during this period because my employment was on the line, regardless of my view on whether it should or shouldn't be illegal.

When naden signed an nrl contract, he agreed to the rules. Those rules included dont do drugs as per WADA. That's the long and short of it. He broke the rules of his contract.

Ideology doesnt come into it.

Yep, this is exactly right. Getting busted for cocaine is hardly a capital offence. Most rational people would argue it shouldn't even be a criminal offence.

What it does make him though is a shit team mate because as you said, when you've signed a contract not to do it and your employer and your team mates depend on you to stick to those rules, you're letting them down when you drop the ball on that one.

 

[kooly87]

But they are... recreational, like caffeine.

There are a great many people who depend on their caffeine hit every morning to function, yet they'd hang their head in shame at a co-worker who was dependant on something like marijuana to wind down after work.

 

[Kimlo]

It's the off season, may as well make this topic its own discussion to.

 

[Kimlo]

Just in time for the thread we have some piping hot news from the daily tele shit. I won't link it because **** them.

The gist of it is as follows:
NSW proposed bill
People taking illicit drugs for personal use would get 3 warnings before it became a criminal offence
Police Minister David Elliot is having a major sook about it and doesn't want it to happen
Deputy Premier Bruz Barilaro think NSW is going soft speaking about the topic to intellectual extraordinaire Ben Fordham
“I can promise you this, we’re not going soft on crime. “This isn’t marijuana, these are serious drugs and they have to be treated in a very serious way.”

 

[Galah]

Just in time for the thread we have some piping hot news from the daily tele shit. I won't link it because **** them.

The gist of it is as follows:
NSW proposed bill
People taking illicit drugs for personal use would get 3 warnings before it became a criminal offence
Police Minister David Elliot is having a major sook about it and doesn't want it to happen
Deputy Premier Bruz Barilaro think NSW is going soft speaking about the topic to intellectual extraordinaire Ben Fordham
“I can promise you this, we’re not going soft on crime. “This isn’t marijuana, these are serious drugs and they have to be treated in a very serious way.”

So they’re not referring to marijuana? That last quote has me confused.

 

[kooly87]

Just in time for the thread we have some piping hot news from the daily tele shit. I won't link it because **** them.

The gist of it is as follows:
NSW proposed bill
People taking illicit drugs for personal use would get 3 warnings before it became a criminal offence
Police Minister David Elliot is having a major sook about it and doesn't want it to happen
Deputy Premier Bruz Barilaro think NSW is going soft speaking about the topic to intellectual extraordinaire Ben Fordham
“I can promise you this, we’re not going soft on crime. “This isn’t marijuana, these are serious drugs and they have to be treated in a very serious way.”

Anybody who, in light of overwhelming and irrefutable evidence to the contrary, genuinely believes that criminalising drug users is an effective or successful way to reduce drug use or drug related crime and harm to the community is frankly so far detached from reality that they honestly are not fit to serve in Government. They're barely fit to serve as a functioning adult.

 

[Kimlo]

So they’re not referring to marijuana? That last quote has me confused.

I don't subscribe to newscorp and I can't find the story anywhere else but from what I can tell it seems like the NSW libs are proposing decriminalising all drugs in NSW that are for personal use (small quantities) with a 3 warning system and 4th offence becomes criminal. Which is why Bruz is saying that, as in they're not just proposing to decriminalise weed, but for all drugs.

Someone can correct me if they have access to the full story.

 

[Kimlo]

Anybody who, in light of overwhelming and irrefutable evidence to the contrary, genuinely believes that criminalising drug users is an effective or successful way to reduce drug use or drug related crime and harm to the community is frankly so far detached from reality that they honestly are not fit to serve in Government. They're barely fit to serve as a functioning adult.

Well you've made it clear what you think about people who think there should be illegal drugs, what's your actual stance?

Should all drugs be 100% legal and available to sell? Any legislation around it?

 

[Galah]

The fact you can’t smoke weed in this country but can pound bundy rum until you end up in a fight or locked up is a fucking joke.

Joe rogan did a pod cast on how marijuana became illegal way back in the early 1900’s. Super interesting and makes a whole lotta sense.

One of my best buds has a daughter that suffers from epilepsy and cbd oil is amazing at helping it. BUT nooooo the government wants you to take these fucking drugs that give you brain damage and when they finally permit you to take cbd oil they fucking smash you with the price and it’s impossible to afford.

Also PTSD they say there isn’t anything that can help with it but I can assure you that when you’re triggered and you go smoke a fatty, that potentially dangerous situation is averted. Plus you sleep like a baby!

 

[Galah]

I don't subscribe to newscorp and I can't find the story anywhere else but from what I can tell it seems like the NSW libs are proposing decriminalising all drugs in NSW that are for personal use (small quantities) with a 3 warning system and 4th offence becomes criminal. Which is why Bruz is saying that, as in they're not just proposing to decriminalise weed, but for all drugs.

Someone can correct me if they have access to the full story.

Well I don’t think CRACK should be legal,Jesus!

 

[Kimlo]

The fact you can’t smoke weed in this country but can pound bundy rum until you end up in a fight or locked up is a fucking joke.

Joe rogan did a pod cast on how marijuana became illegal way back in the early 1900’s. Super interesting and makes a whole lotta sense.

One of my best buds has a daughter that suffers from epilepsy and cbd oil is amazing at helping it. BUT nooooo the government wants you to take these fucking drugs that give you brain damage and when they finally permit you to take cbd oil they fucking smash you with the price and it’s impossible to afford.

Also PTSD they say there isn’t anything that can help with it but I can assure you that when you’re triggered and you go smoke a fatty, that potentially dangerous situation is averted. Plus you sleep like a baby!

Agreed. Alcohol is a cancer on society but it's 100% legal. It strains the health system, the legal system, causes countless deaths on the road, abuse at home, all the absolute bullshit it causes in society and it's 100% legal to be purchased from practically any retailer in the country, you can get it while grocery shopping.

Weed causes none of the above, and you can find yourself in jail long term for using it and/or selling it. I'd rather a society where you swapped alcohol drinkers with weed smokers, put it that way. It's arse backwards. It's something I believe America did, and the rest of the world was like yeah let's follow them and make it illegal.

 

[Galah]

Agreed. Alcohol is a cancer on society but it's 100% legal. It strains the health system, the legal system, causes countless deaths on the road, abuse at home, all the absolute bullshit it causes in society and it's 100% legal to be purchased from practically any retailer in the country, you can get it while grocery shopping.

Weed causes none of the above, and you can find yourself in jail long term for using it and/or selling it. I'd rather a society where you swapped alcohol drinkers with weed smokers, put it that way. It's arse backwards. It's something I believe America did, and the rest of the world was like yeah let's follow them and make it illegal.

Well. Fucking. Said.

 

[Kimlo]

Well I don’t think CRACK should be legal,Jesus!

Honoured but you can just call me kimlo. On a serious note, I would decriminalise ALL drugs, no exceptions and I would make the less harmful drugs fully available for sale and taxable. If it does nothing but get scrum drug dealers off the streets and into a real job paying tax, it would be an improvement on now.

Drugs should be a health issue, not a police issue.

 

[IceWorks]

Zero tolerance for this. The clubs should as well.

 

[Galah]

Honoured but you can just call me kimlo. On a serious note, I would decriminalise ALL drugs, no exceptions and I would make the less harmful drugs fully available for sale and taxable. If it does nothing but get scrum drug dealers off the streets and into a real job paying tax, it would be an improvement on now.

Drugs should be a health issue, not a police issue.

I draw the line at crack, my best mate is an emergency surgeon and his wife is a paramedic and they’ll be the first to say that there is no issue with drugs really outside of the one which is crack, the stories I hear and have seen myself are bonkers. Oh and alcohol....

 

[kooly87]

Well you've made it clear what you think about people who think there should be illegal drugs, what's your actual stance?

Should all drugs be 100% legal and available to sell? Any legislation around it?

No, not exactly, read what I said again.

I said criminalising drug users is just about the least effective method for reducing drug related harm to society that we have available to us. The evidence on this is simply overwhelming.

Drug use and abuse is a health issue, not a criminal one. No country on Earth has been successful at eradicating drug use through banning it. The US spends nearly $500 billion a year fighting a 'war on drugs' and for a fraction of that cost they could simply treat and support drug users to achieve not only a better health outcome and lower drug abuse patterns over time, they'd actually save a shitload of money in the process.

You know how loses badly out of that one though: Private prison companies. Law enforcement officials and administrators. Private contractors to those prison companies and law enforcement agencies. All the people in the supply chain who's business models depend on incarcerating a shitload of poor people on minor drug charges. These are the genuinely evil fuckers who will not die quietly if you threaten to take their meal tickets away.

 

[kooly87]

When a 19 year old kid is busted smoking weed on a train, he has his ass handed to him by the Police and then the courts and his life is regularly ruined as he's no longer able to get a normal job or do the things that normal people take for granted.

A lawyer is busted in a hotel room with thousands of dollars worth of drugs he's in the middle of consuming with his mates and some escorts. As he's rich, he has access to the best legal defence money can buy, and he very likely escapes with a slap on the wrist or less.

This happens all over the world, all the time in justice systems that are widely considered fair and incorruptible like ours, and especially so as well in the genuinely corrupt legal systems in other nations.

This is the 100% honest, REAL world way the criminal prosecution of drug offences occurs and the outcomes it produces. It is completely and utterly morally reprehensible and frankly anybody who isn't outraged by this really needs to consider what kind of person they are deep down. I sincerely would consider it a character flaw on par with deep seated racism or intolerance, it's just that gross.