Impact of Golden Point

[Coxy]

OK, so I'm bored....so I did a spreadsheet with the ladder as it is now, and the ladder positions and how they would change based on different scenarios.

Scenario 1: Golden Point as it is now

The order is as it is now:
Dragons (30)
Panthers (28)
Roosters (28)
Tigers (28)
Titans (26)
Manly (24)
Broncos (24)
Warriors (24)
Souths (22)
Parramatta (22)
Newcastle (20)
Canberra (20)
Bulldogs (18)
Cowboys (14)
Sharks (14)
Storm (0)

Nothing to say, that's just how it is.

Scenario 2: The good old days before Golden Point, where a game was always 80 minutes and a draw was a draw.

Dragons (31)
Panthers (28)
Roosters (28)
Tigers (28)
Manly (24)
Broncos (24)
Titans (24)
Warriors (24)
Souths (23)
Parramatta (22)
Newcastle (21)
Canberra (20)
Bulldogs (18)
Cowboys (14)
Sharks (13)
Storm (0)

Interesting to note:
- Dragons would be 3 points clear at the top of the ladder (gaining a point for a draw against the Titans last week)
- Titans drop from 5th to 7th because they would have 2 draws, thus costing them 2 points, and with their poor for and against would drop behind the Broncos and Manly
- Souths within 1 point of the top 8 by gaining the point for their draw with the Titans

Scenario 3: New points system reflecting wins/losses in GP

System: 4 points for a regulation win, 3 points for a GP win, 2 points for a draw, 1 point for a GP loss and 0 points for a regulation loss.

Why? It rewards teams that win in the normal 80 minutes, and effectively means the extra 10 minutes is an attempt to win a bonus point by scoring to win, and if you lose you still get the bonus point for having been level at normal full time.

Dragons (61)
Panthers (56)
Roosters (56)
Tigers (56)
Titans (50)
Manly (48)
Broncos (48)
Warriors (48)
Souths (45)
Eels (44)
Newcastle (41)
Canberra (40)
Bulldogs (36)
Cowboys (28)
Sharks (27)

Interesting to note:
- Dragons would be more than a win clear of Penrith by virtue of having lost in GP against the Titans
- Titans would be more than a win outside the top 4 (6 points), which is fair given they had 2 GP wins, whereas the teams in the top 4 have won all their games in regular time
- Broncos, Manly and Warriors would all be half a win behind the Titans, making the Titan's grip on their top 5 spot very tenuous (kind of is anyway given their shit for and against of -17)

What does this all mean? Well, ultimately that Coxy has too much time on his hands. [icon_razz1

But IMO both scenario 2 and 3 are a fairer reflection on the state of the competition than the current system where a win in 89 minutes and 59 seconds is the same as a win in 80 minutes, and a loss in 89 minutes and 59 seconds is treated as bad as a loss in 80 minutes.

My preference would be to scrap golden point in normal season games, but I think even a revised points system like scenario 3 would be far far better than what we have now.

 

[Bannermania]

I like the look of the third scenario. Interesting points system. I think it would work quite well.

 

[Coxy]

I like the look of the third scenario. Interesting points system. I think it would work quite well.

Yep, and it gives fair reward if we insist on having golden point extra time (which I can't see changing).

 

[Bannermania]

Golden Point is boring imho, this would at least be an attempt to make to more rewarding/

 

[Anonymous person]

IMO if they insist on having golden point, it should be golden try. then it stops games being reduced to field goal shootouts, and losing by a stupid penalty goal that might not have been a legitimate penalty to begin with.

all field goals and penalty goals in extra time count, but dont end the match. only a try or the 1o minute time limit end the match. if scores are still even after time limit, its a draw.

id rather they just ditch golden point though. the only reason it came about was because NSW whinged after QLD retained the origin trophy from a draw.

 

[Aeetee]

whats to stop a team getting say 3 penalties and a field goal giving them a 7 point lead. Then letting the other team score and convert ending the game and try scoring team still losing. Far fetched yes but.....

Penatlies can only be taps and drop goals don't count i suppose would be a fix.

 

[Coxy]

whats to stop a team getting say 3 penalties and a field goal giving them a 7 point lead. Then letting the other team score and convert ending the game and try scoring team still losing. Far fetched yes but.....

Penatlies can only be taps and drop goals don't count i suppose would be a fix.

Yeah the "goals count but a try ends it" doesn't really work. Even though the scenario above is unlikely, it's possible.

So it's either Golden try and all penalties are "differential" in extra time and field goals don't count, or you stick with golden point extra time as it is but modify the points system to better reward teams that win in 80 minutes or are level at 80 minutes. Or you ditch it altogether and only have it in finals where you must have a winner.

 

[Anonymous person]

whats to stop a team getting say 3 penalties and a field goal giving them a 7 point lead. Then letting the other team score and convert ending the game and try scoring team still losing. Far fetched yes but.....

Penatlies can only be taps and drop goals don't count i suppose would be a fix.

a try wouldnt just 'end' the match like full time would - the team that scores the 'golden try' wins. even if the other team scored 3 penalty goals and a field goal, the team that scores the try wins.

if neither team scored a try in the 10 minutes of extra time, the team that scored the most points in extra time wins.

pretty simple if you ask me.

 

[Coxy]

Hmmm, so 24-all full time.
Lockyer kicks a field goal. Parker kicks a penalty. Parker kicks another penalty. Score is 29-24.
Then Thurston scores a try. Actual full time result is 28-24 to the Cowboys? Stats have to be changed to wipe off the field goal from Lockyer's record and Parker's 2 penalties, and the Broncos' 5 points off their for and against?

Or is the final result Broncos 29 lost to Cowboys 28...Broncos get +1 on their For and Against, but lose the game?

Far from simple. And, in fact, retarded.

 

[Coxy]

Rock, that's totally my view, but I just can't see the NRL hierarchy changing it to either unlimited GP or no GP.

 

[Anonymous person]

Hmmm, so 24-all full time.
Lockyer kicks a field goal. Parker kicks a penalty. Parker kicks another penalty. Score is 29-24.
Then Thurston scores a try. Actual full time result is 28-24 to the Cowboys? Stats have to be changed to wipe off the field goal from Lockyer's record and Parker's 2 penalties, and the Broncos' 5 points off their for and against?

Or is the final result Broncos 29 lost to Cowboys 28...Broncos get +1 on their For and Against, but lose the game?

Far from simple. And, in fact, retarded.

points/stats from points dont get counted until the match has been decided.

if its 24-24 at full time, and locky kicks a field goal and parker kicks 2 penalties, then thurston scores a try, the cowboys win 28-24. if it goes to the 90th minute without a try, broncos win 29-24.

alternatively, like someone said, no field goals or penalty goals allowed. but then instead of a field-goal-athon itd just be a bomb-athon. although thats not much different to the NRL at the moment.

 

[Coxy]

Nah, it's still utterly ridiculous.

 

[Anonymous person]

eh, IMO it would work fine.

sure, idiots might get confused, but thats about it. its like when we play beer pong - if you get the other teams 10 cups first, you win. but if youve got 9 of theirs, and then they hit your death cup - you lose, even if you still have all 10 of your cups left.

but see the thing about this issue is that even if you dont agree with my theory, and i dont agree with yours, and joe blow doesnt agree with either of ours........the NRL doesnt give a $hit and will not change the way golden point is run, so its all irrelevant.

if a game is 4-4 at 80 minutes, and has been the single worst game thats ever been played, someone winning by a field goal in the 87th minute makes the game 'exciting' in the NRLs point of view. thats all they care about.

 

[Coxy]

eh, IMO it would work fine.

sure, idiots might get confused, but thats about it. its like when we play beer pong - if you get the other teams 10 cups first, you win. but if youve got 9 of theirs, and then they hit your death cup - you lose, even if you still have all 10 of your cups left.

LOL!

The NRL: it's like beer pong.

I can see that selling [icon_razz1

 

[Anonymous person]

LOL!

The NRL: it's like beer pong.

I can see that selling [icon_razz1

[icon_lol1.

see i think golden point would ACTUALLY be exciting if your team got to a 1 point lead via a field goal, and then had to try and hold out the opposition for a further 2-3 minutes until the end of the extra 10 minutes. it brings back the 'your team is 1 point down in the 77th minute' feeling to the game. as it is, its a hollow feeling cause your teams played for 87 minutes and gets beaten purely because the other teams got a better kicker. defending the narrow lead is what makes games exciting, trying to beat the buzzer.

 

[Bannermania]

AP, gotta tell ya, that is a woeful idea.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I am happy for the draw to be back in the regular season and Golden point only to be used in the finals.

 

[Kaz]

I want a draw to be a draw, but they won't change it back.

If the game is a draw after 80 mins, it should be golden try & they can still try & convert it.