NRL General Discussion Thread - 2019

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To contest the GB League Lions Tour and Oceania Cup
  • John Asiata
  • Andrew Fifita
  • Addin Fonua-Blake
  • David Fusitu'a
  • Siliva Havili
  • Ata Hingano
  • William Hopoate
  • Konrad Hurrell
  • Michael Jennings
  • Sione Katoa
  • Tuimoala Lolohea
  • Manu Ma'u
  • Ben Murdoch-Masila
  • Joe Ofahengaue
  • Tevita Pangai jnr
  • Kotoni Staggs
  • Tevita Tatola
  • Siosiua Taukeiaho
  • Jason Taumalolo
  • Daniel Tupou
  • Sitili Tupouniua
  • Coach: Kristian Woolf
Pretty strong squad that, I'd imagine the full strength 17 looking something like this -

1. William Hopoate (c)
2. Daniel Tupou
3. Michael Jennings
4. Kotoni Staggs
5. David Fusitu'a
6. John Asiata
7. Tuimoala Lolohea
8. Andrew Fifita
9. Sione Katoa
10. Addin Fonua-Blake
11. Tevita Pangai Jr
12. Manu Ma'u
13. Jason Taumalolo

14. Saliva Havili
15. Siosiua Taukeiaho
16. Joe Ofahengaue
17. Tevita Tatola
 

Dash

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To contest the GB League Lions Tour and Oceania Cup
  • John Asiata
  • Andrew Fifita
  • Addin Fonua-Blake
  • David Fusitu'a
  • Siliva Havili
  • Ata Hingano
  • William Hopoate
  • Konrad Hurrell
  • Michael Jennings
  • Sione Katoa
  • Tuimoala Lolohea
  • Manu Ma'u
  • Ben Murdoch-Masila
  • Joe Ofahengaue
  • Tevita Pangai jnr
  • Kotoni Staggs
  • Tevita Tatola
  • Siosiua Taukeiaho
  • Jason Taumalolo
  • Daniel Tupou
  • Sitili Tupouniua
  • Coach: Kristian Woolf
Pretty strong squad that, I'd imagine the full strength 17 looking something like this -

1. William Hopoate (c)
2. Daniel Tupou
3. Michael Jennings
4. Kotoni Staggs
5. David Fusitu'a
6. John Asiata
7. Tuimoala Lolohea
8. Andrew Fifita
9. Sione Katoa
10. Addin Fonua-Blake
11. Tevita Pangai Jr
12. Manu Ma'u
13. Jason Taumalolo

14. Saliva Havili
15. Siosiua Taukeiaho
16. Joe Ofahengaue
17. Tevita Tatola
That forward pack is sensational and the backline isn't shabby either. Pity the halves are so bad it won't matter.
 

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New Zealand Test squad
  • Leeson Ah Mau (NZ Warriors)
  • Nelson Asofa-Solomona (Melbourne Storm)
  • Kenneath Bromwich (Melbourne Storm)
  • Kieran Foran (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs)
  • Braden Hamlin-Uele (Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks)
  • Corey Harawira-Naera (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs)
  • Jahrome Hughes (Melbourne Storm)
  • Jamayne Isaako (Brisbane Broncos)
  • Shaun Johnson (Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks)
  • Isaac Liu (Sydney Roosters)
  • Joseph Manu (Sydney Roosters)
  • Benji Marshall (Wests Tigers)
  • Ken Maumalo (NZ Warriors)
  • Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad (Canberra Raiders)
  • Briton Nikora (Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks)
  • Kevin Proctor (Gold Coast Titans)
  • Jordan Rapana (Canberra Raiders)
  • Brandon Smith (Melbourne Storm)
  • Joseph Tapine (Canberra Raiders)
  • Zane Tetevano (Sydney Roosters)
  • Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (NZ Warriors)
  • Jared Waerea Hargreaves (Sydney Roosters)
1. Tuivasa-Sheck (c)
2. Maumalo
3. Nicoll-Klokstad
4. Manu
5. Rapana
6. Foran
7. Johnson
8. Waerea-Hargreaves
9. B.Smith
10. Asofa-Solomona
11. K.Bromwich
12. Nikora
13. Liu

14. Marshall
15. Tapine
16. Ah Mau
17. Hamlin-Uele

A bit of a bits and pieces side, but I think if you want the best 17 out there, that's the team.
 

CaptainHook

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I'm not worried about evidence of cheating, and I'm not going to accuse them of it
What I am going to say, is that this Roosters team proves the cap does not work
Either because they are cheating it and it's too easy to do
OR
They are not cheating and still able to field that team

Either way, the cap is not working
Good post and agree completely that the salary cap is not working. To be honest though, it never did work effectively. It did succeed, to an extent, in putting limits on clubs overspending but it's showing glaring flaws with every passing year.

The main problem with it is that clubs still can't help themselves. Pretty much every club has overspent the salary cap in the NRL era (either by a little or a lot) and have been fined, had points taken off them or had harsher punishments inflicted on them.

Here's Malcolm Knox's take on the Roosters:

The Roosters maintain that they have not broken the salary cap rules. They get audited like everybody else, so let’s accept that their accumulation of talent is legit. This is not actually good for the NRL. They’d be better off if the Roosters were caught cheating. As it is, the NRL have a 16-car pile-up at an intersection and their investigations reveal that nobody was breaking 60km/h. Great. But they’ve still got a pile-up.

He does go on to point out that the Roosters are well-led and well-coached. There are no guarantees and teams still have to get it right on the day.

The answer is a player draft and it always has been.

It's a sad shame it was defeated in court.

A salary cap and a player draft, working in tandem, would be a great way to guarantee the integrity of the competition.

A draft shares talent fairly among the clubs and clubs have the opportunity to pick up off-contract players in reverse order of how they finished the previous season.

I still maintain that a salary cap wthout a draft is stupid and makes us a laughing stock in professional sport.

It's gets even more nonsensical considering the size of the amount the NRL grants to clubs each year and most of them still can't make a profit. Can't see much sense in throwing good money after bad. Let them go broke and extinct, I reckon.

Of course, where it gets messy is a player draft would appeal to supporters of clubs like the Broncos and Roosters like shit on a stick.

At various stages of our existence we've had 10 or 11 of the Queensland Origin side in our squad.

If anyone has a god-given right to stockpile talent, it's us dammit lol.

Now, a few strawmen get erected around the idea of a draft. It isn't a perfect system. It is true that some players genuinely don't want to move interstate but a well-constructed draft takes those things into account.

Besides, cases like that are the outliers, not the norm. Most Rugby League players live in Cronulla or Coogee - they're quite happy to travel across twenty suburbs to get to their clubs.

An effective draft also contains plenty of rights for players and the ability to be traded, becoming a free agent and other things like that. It was hardly the draconian system it was painted out to be.

Besides, could it be any worse thatn the nonsense we have now? Paying ridiculous 'overs' based on potential. Players swapping clubs mid-season and clubs paying a players' salaries when they have moved onto rival teams.

It's just such a joke and impossible to take seriously.

Anyways, here's that article I mentioned if you're interested:

 

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Doesn't a draft just mean there's no point to spending money on developing players? Say goodbye to Haas, Fifita and co.
 

Big Pete

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Doesn't a draft just mean there's no point to spending money on developing players? Say goodbye to Haas, Fifita and co.
Not necessarily, Brisbane signed Haas in 2016 when he was 17 which would be around the age of the potential drafting pool.

It wouldn't affect Brisbane as much since they rely on their affiliates to provide assistance in player growth. It would be the Sydney system that would have to change dramatically because their grades extend all the way to U/16s.

Here's a question for Sproj Sproj or Tera Tera do Queensland players enter the draft? Or do they automatically go to the Lions and Suns?
 

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Not necessarily, Brisbane signed Haas in 2016 when he was 17 which would be around the age of the potential drafting pool.
if there was a draft Hass definitely wouldn't be playing for us ... he would go very high. let's have a look at the state of play. since we signed him in 2016:

so, if he was drafted at the end of the 2015 season; he would likely go to the Knights (1st pick), Tigers (2nd Pick) or Titans (3rd pick) ... our first pick wouldn't have been until #15 at the earliest since we made the GF that year.

If he was drafted at the end of the 2016 season; he would likely go to the Knights (1st pick), Roosters (2nd Pick) or Eels (3rd pick) ... our first pick wouldn't have been until #11 as we finished the season in 5th place.

on another note, i didn't realise it was only 3 seasons ago that the Roosters nearly got the wooden spoon under Robinson
 

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