NRL Players in hot water

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NRL gender adviser Catharine Lumby says some rugby league players are 'education-proof'


The NRL's long-term gender adviser has said some players may well be "education-proof", following a "horror stretch" of off-field incidents.
With several players facing assault charges resulting from the off-season, Professor Catharine Lumby — who has conducted evidence-based player education for the NRL over the past decade — said she did not know what more could be done.
"I can only conclude, I'm afraid, that a tiny minority of players are education-proof," she told the ABC.
"They know what to do but they don't care, apparently."
As the NRL launched its 2019 season in Sydney last night, it was still reeling from an off-season filled with player indiscretions.
Jarryd Hayne, Jack de Belin, Zane Musgrove, Liam Coleman and Dylan Walker are all facing assault charges.
The incidents prompted the NRL to announce a new policy last week that players charged with serious offences would be forced to stand aside on full pay, pending the outcome of legal proceedings.
That decision is being challenged again today in the Federal Court by de Belin, who claims the policy removes his presumption of innocence.
Just this week, Penrith Panther's player Tyrone May was charged with filming and circulating videos of sex acts with two women without their consent. The charges relate to alleged encounters in February and May last year.
'I have seen it this bad before'

Professor Lumby described player behaviour as "a crisis" for the game but said "we've seen it before".
"It's incredibly disappointing because if you take a longitudinal look, adverse incidents have gone down enormously over the past five years."
The NRL is spending $8 million a year on player education programs in an attempt to instil cultural change.
Professor Lumby has overseen three large research projects identifying current social attitudes and behaviours to better guide players.
Her research has shown that 95 per cent of players actually do the right thing.

However, she said, the latest off-field dramas had been "a big wake-up call to do better, try harder and to do a really strong review of where we're at".
"We've got a lot of things in place, but there's always room for improvement."
Professor Lumby said she had "zero tolerance for players who don't get it".
"Whether they like it or not they are role models," she said.
"They've got the privilege of playing in an elite sport, and if they don't like it they should get out."
Sports Minister Bridget McKenzie applauded the NRL for the steps it had taken to pull players into line, but said it would take time for the culture to change.
"If we're serious as a country about getting more women and girls into sport and participating in all those great games, then our elite male athletes need to be showing women respect," she said.
Source: ABC
 
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Of course a small percentage of players are still going to do stupid shit, regardless of the rules. It's no different to society. Therefore I conclude that a percentage of society as a whole is "education-proof". Where's my cushy job?

Also, there has never, ever, ever, been as much scrutiny over players' actions. The media makes its money from digging up dirt, there is a financial incentive to find it. If all of a sudden police officers were given direct financial incentive to detect speeding drivers, you bet your arse there will be a huge spike in people being done for it. It doesn't mean the instance of people speeding is actually increasing.

Also, I remembered something the other day. Remember Konrad Hurrell publicly sharing a video of him getting sucked off? IIRC, while driving too. It was a relatively big story, but only because it was one of the more lurid things to have come out of league at the time. But there was no where near the crisis-level talks like we're having now.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/konrad-hurrell-under-investigation-by-nrl-over-social-media-sex-tape-20140505-zr50m.html
 
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Something that gets lost in all this is the apparent acquiescence of the women involved. In the videos I've 'researched' allegedly involving certain players I did not see any objection to the treatment. In the feet in head video there didn't appear to be any rejection of the actions nor was there any visible objection in the headjob shoving video. I'm not saying what's right or wrong and I'm only commenting on what I've seen. Are women merely playing a role in a male game in the belief that this is what men want or are they willingly initiating things or are willing participants in a rough version of uninhibited sex?
 

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Something that gets lost in all this is the apparent acquiescence of the women involved. In the videos I've 'researched' allegedly involving certain players I did not see any objection to the treatment. In the feet in head video there didn't appear to be any rejection of the actions nor was there any visible objection in the headjob shoving video. I'm not saying what's right or wrong and I'm only commenting on what I've seen. Are women merely playing a role in a male game in the belief that this is what men want or are they willingly initiating things or are willing participants in a rough version of uninhibited sex?
There is no debate to the consent to the sex, it is the sharing of the recordings without their consent or knowledge that is the issue.
 
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There is no debate to the consent to the sex, it is the sharing of the recordings without their consent or knowledge that is the issue.
Err, not my point either. I never mentioned anything about consent rather I was pointing out how the players involved are being demonised and crucified for their "treatment of women" yet no mention of the women's APPARENT agreement to engage in rough sex and what many are describing as humiliating and degrading behaviour.
 
Err, not my point either. I never mentioned anything about consent rather I was pointing out how the players involved are being demonised and crucified for their "treatment of women" yet no mention of the women's APPARENT agreement to engage in rough sex and what many are describing as humiliating and degrading behaviour.
I've seen and know of people who truly enjoy (and even need) much "worse", and absolutely have every right to!
But they know and don't deny that behaviour is degrading and humiliating, which is often the reason they want it in the first place. They would also be loath to see it publicly exposed (with very few exceptions) because of that knowledge.
 
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I've seen and know of people who truly enjoy (and even need) much "worse", and absolutely have every right to!
But they know and don't deny that behaviour is degrading and humiliating, which is often the reason they want it in the first place. They would also be loath to see it publicly exposed (with very few exceptions) because of that knowledge.
Totally agree. I didn't intend any of my post to be seen as comment on the consent to be filmed angle rather the complete absence of any public comment on the willingness of all parties to engage in such behaviour. It all seems to be about respecting women and nothing mentioned about the women who are eager participants. The rights and wrongs of publicly exposing this is covered as is the 'terrible' behaviour of the men but completely absent is an acknowledgement that some women are fans of this debauchery.
 

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Totally agree. I didn't intend any of my post to be seen as comment on the consent to be filmed angle rather the complete absence of any public comment on the willingness of all parties to engage in such behaviour. It all seems to be about respecting women and nothing mentioned about the women who are eager participants. The rights and wrongs of publicly exposing this is covered as is the 'terrible' behaviour of the men but completely absent is an acknowledgement that some women are fans of this debauchery.
And men. I could never do it while my mate sat there taking care of himself. Wtf?
 
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And men. I could never do it while my mate sat there taking care of himself. Wtf?
Funny thing is that this kind of thing is not new. 35 years ago a friend and I would regularly engage in threesomes and there were plenty of eager ladies keen for fun and games. I might add the rough treatment angle was not part of the activities but I'm sure it was around in other scenarios. Initially I was a bit uncomfortable with being in the same space as another naked male but that faded pretty quickly and let me be clear, there was no male on male contact!
 

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Funny thing is that this kind of thing is not new. 35 years ago a friend and I would regularly engage in threesomes and there were plenty of eager ladies keen for fun and games. I might add the rough treatment angle was not part of the activities but I'm sure it was around in other scenarios. Initially I was a bit uncomfortable with being in the same space as another naked male but that faded pretty quickly and let me be clear, there was no male on male contact!
Gross.
 

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Funny thing is that this kind of thing is not new. 35 years ago a friend and I would regularly engage in threesomes and there were plenty of eager ladies keen for fun and games. I might add the rough treatment angle was not part of the activities but I'm sure it was around in other scenarios. Initially I was a bit uncomfortable with being in the same space as another naked male but that faded pretty quickly and let me be clear, there was no male on male contact!
A 3some I understand but is it really a 3some when one guy just sits there watching and wanking?
 

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Funny thing is that this kind of thing is not new. 35 years ago a friend and I would regularly engage in threesomes and there were plenty of eager ladies keen for fun and games. I might add the rough treatment angle was not part of the activities but I'm sure it was around in other scenarios. Initially I was a bit uncomfortable with being in the same space as another naked male but that faded pretty quickly and let me be clear, there was no male on male contact!
Been in a few threesomes and foursomes with mixed combinations, myself. Who cares if it’s all consentual.
 
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