NRL Players in hot water

Morkel

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Briefly saw a thing where the chick making the accusations against Reynolds is a scam artists, has scammed men before and the two pregnancies / miscarriages she "suffered" were both a lie.
 

Foordy

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Curtis Scott's lawyer is now accusing the NRL of bullying for continuing to request the police body cam footage, so they can make an informed decision on whether to stand down Scott under the no-fault policy
 

Wolfie

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Curtis Scott's lawyer is now accusing the NRL of bullying for continuing to request the police body cam footage, so they can make an informed decision on whether to stand down Scott under the no-fault policy
I think thats fair enough. If he is telling the truth and has nothing to hide i dont see the problem. You would actually think he would be keen to get it out there to show he didnt do anything wrong.
 
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Foordy

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I think thats fair enough. If he is telling the truth and has nothing to hide i dont see the problem. You would actually think he would be keen to get it out there to show he didnt do anything wrong.
they are claiming the police won't allow them to give the footage to the NRL ...

on the other hand, the NRL have reportedly said that if they are not provided the footage by 5pm Monday, then they'll make a decision on whether to stand him down based entirely on the police charge sheet and the allegations from the police ...
 

Wolfie

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they are claiming the police won't allow them to give the footage to the NRL ...

on the other hand, the NRL have reportedly said that if they are not provided the footage by 5pm Monday, then they'll make a decision on whether to stand him down based entirely on the police charge sheet and the allegations from the police ...
Without that footage i dont see what other choice the NRL have but to go with the charge sheet.
 

Tom

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Why should the NRL have access to such things? I doubt any other companies do.
 

Wolfie

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Why should the NRL have access to such things? I doubt any other companies do.
I'm not so sure they should, but at the same time, i can see the logic behind it. The NRL will just want all the facts i guess. Video footage could easily clear Scott or condemn him. I think the footage should just be made available so he can get on with his career if he has done nothing wrong.
 

Foordy

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Why should the NRL have access to such things? I doubt any other companies do.
maybe they shouldn't ... but i'm sure there are ways to get a hold of such footage if companies really needed to view it ... I doubt it is classified top secret info ...

maybe this is one for Jason Simmons Jason Simmons to clarify for the class :)

personally i don't buy Scotts story ... cops may be heavy handed at times, but they are not stupid ... to taser an innocent person who was doing nothing but sitting under a tree, while their body camera's were running, only to then charge said person and hand the footage over to his lawyers is incredibly stupid to say the least
 

Tom

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maybe they shouldn't ... but i'm sure there are ways to get a hold of such footage if companies really needed to view it ... I doubt it is classified top secret info ...

maybe this is one for Jason Simmons Jason Simmons to clarify for the class :)

personally i don't buy Scotts story ... cops may be heavy handed at times, but they are not stupid ... to taser an innocent person who was doing nothing but sitting under a tree, while their body camera's were running, only to then charge said person and hand the footage over to his lawyers is incredibly stupid to say the least
Makes sense...Then I remember the bloke who died because he was tasered dozens of times while he was handcuffed.
 

Nashy

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Why should the NRL have access to such things? I doubt any other companies do.
I'm sure if a public facing person of any large company was involved, their HR department would request that info.
 

I bleed Maroon

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I wouldn't be fucking around if I were the NRL. They want players to take the threat of the stand down policy seriously, so if they begin throwing around the wet lettuce leaf so early in its existence because they're "unsure" about something, which is going to happen often when it involves accusations like this one mind you, it will just turn into another toothless tiger that amounts to nothing with Jack Da Bell End being its one and only tentpole example.

They just need to give themselves and their policy their own benefit of the doubt and just put Scott on ice until this shit is dealt with in court. At the very least they can come out the other end regardless of result saying "Look, the policy is working. The player may have missed out on such and such game time, but given he put himself in that position in the first place, we did the only thing we could do under the circumstances which is follow our own protocol with no exceptions."
 

Jason Simmons

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To be fair, police body cams should be public domain by default anyway. The fact that they can be cloaked in so much secrecy is thanks to police unions.
No it isn’t. It’s because of privacy legislation, because that BWC footage, like most police documents, contains an awful lot of personal and private information. It’s the same reason police have switched to encrypted radio transmissions
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Makes sense...Then I remember the bloke who died because he was tasered dozens of times while he was handcuffed.
Which guy was that? Because I have read every Coronial report in Australia that relate to death by policing operation and I do not remember one that said that any person at all has died because they were tasered.

Some people who have been tasered have died, yes. But never once has a Coroner found that the Taser is what actually killed said person.
 
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Jason Simmons

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maybe they shouldn't ... but i'm sure there are ways to get a hold of such footage if companies really needed to view it ... I doubt it is classified top secret info ...

maybe this is one for Jason Simmons Jason Simmons to clarify for the class :)

personally i don't buy Scotts story ... cops may be heavy handed at times, but they are not stupid ... to taser an innocent person who was doing nothing but sitting under a tree, while their body camera's were running, only to then charge said person and hand the footage over to his lawyers is incredibly stupid to say the least
Unless they are a party to some court proceeding where that footage is to be used, then they don’t have any ‘automatic right’ to it. The NRL is not much more than a private company at the end of the day.

But like anyone else, there are Freedom of Information ( or Right to Information as they are called in Queensland) processes, they can go through in order to obtain a copy.

As to their ability to compel Scott to hand it over to them contractually, assuming it has been disclosed to him or his legal representatives in the first place, well that is a bit out of my area of speciality.

It is however a central tenet of our legal system though, that defendant’s can only very rarely be compelled to incriminate themselves, so if I were Scott, I’d be inclined to and be seeking advice on telling the NRL to get stuffed, on that point. Particularly if the BWC footage isn’t particularly favourable to him...
 

Tom

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No it isn’t. It’s because of privacy legislation, because that BWC footage, like most police documents, contains an awful lot of personal and private information. It’s the same reason police have switched to encrypted radio transmissions
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Which guy was that? Because I have read every Coronial report in Australia that relate to death by policing operation and I do not remember one that said that any person at all has died because they were tasered.

Some people who have been tasered have died, yes. But never once has a Coroner found that the Taser is what actually killed said person.
Antonio Galeano. Tasered 28 times. The police lied about that not realising the taser counts every time it's deployed. And yes, the coroner said the taser was not to blame but come on.
 

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