Our team in 5 years if we had played our cards right

[coreyh88]

Hey guys,
Just dreaming about what could(n't) have been 5 years from now:
1. Allen
2. Isaako
3. Shibisaki
4. Staggs
5. Oates
6. Milford
7. Taylor
8. Haas
9. Macca
10. Offa
11. Tpj
12. Gillett
13. Arrow
14. Sua
15. Fiffita
16. Carrigan/Wallace/esse esse
17. Nikorima/hunt

Using only players that have played for us recently. If we could retain them all. What's our best team in 5 years.

 

[Accept]

That would be a bigger salary cap rort than what the Storm achieved. Speculation is pointless.

 

[Morkel]

Let's go back to the "our team in 5 years" thread that we discussed 5 years ago. For the lols.

 

[Battler]

Give me Sua as a starter and tpj at lock > Arrow.

 

[BroncsFan]

Let's go back to the "our team in 5 years" thread that we discussed 5 years ago. For the lols.

I'd imagine Copley would be in the centers, Milf still in Canberra, Norman at 6 with Hunt at 7??? Atay still in diapers.

Moose preferred at lock.

Don't we go back in time enough on this forum... hell there's some trying to convince us that starting Atay over Hunt in 2016 was clearly the best plan

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Hey guys,
Just dreaming about what could(n't) have been 5 years from now:
1. Allen
2. Isaako
3. Shibisaki
4. Staggs
5. Oates
6. Milford
7. Taylor
8. Haas
9. Macca
10. Offa
11. Tpj
12. Gillett
13. Arrow
14. Sua
15. Fiffita
16. Carrigan/Wallace/esse esse
17. Nikorima/hunt

Using only players that have played for us recently. If we could retain them all. What's our best team in 5 years.

For me, this actually highlights that our recruitment and retention hasnt been anywhere near as bad as what the media has stated. The only 2 that would have been good to keep in hindsight would have been taylor and arrow, and currently we are 6 points ahead of the team they play for so I doubt theyd improve our positions dramatically. Anyway, one of those players is currently among the most overpaid players in the league, and the other is a middle forward (arrow) where we have a massive amount of talent including the current australian lock and the most talented young forward in the game (tpj), plus many others vying for the position.

The other 2 that would have been nice but i think we have actually upgraded and are in a better position anyway and were overpaid to get them by other clubs are wallace and ese ese (lodge is already ahead of them I strongly believe, particularly for what we need. Offa is ahead of wallace and along with Haas and flegler all 4 have more upside too).

So can this bs about our terrible recruitment/retention stop. Every year its the same crap and after 6-12 months 95% of the time it gets proven it was a smart move. Additionally, if we took the attitude of the people on this forum (retain them no matter the price) we will end up like the shit team they tend to go to (titans). Do we want the retention/recruitment stratergy of them?

 

[Super Freak]

That would be a bigger salary cap rort than what the Storm achieved. Speculation is pointless.

Not for a discussion forum.

 

[Sproj]

For me, this actually highlights that our recruitment and retention hasnt been anywhere near as bad as what the media has stated. The only 2 that would have been good to keep in hindsight would have been taylor and arrow, and currently we are 6 points ahead of the team they play for so I doubt theyd improve our positions dramatically. Anyway, one of those players is currently among the most overpaid players in the league, and the other is a middle forward (arrow) where we have a massive amount of talent including the current australian lock and the most talented young forward in the game (tpj), plus many others vying for the position.

The other 2 that would have been nice but i think we have actually upgraded and are in a better position anyway and were overpaid to get them by other clubs are wallace and ese ese (lodge is already ahead of them I strongly believe, particularly for what we need. Offa is ahead of wallace and along with Haas and flegler all 4 have more upside too).

So can this bs about our terrible recruitment/retention stop. Every year its the same crap and after 6-12 months 95% of the time it gets proven it was a smart move. Additionally, if we took the attitude of the people on this forum (retain them no matter the price) we will end up like the shit team they tend to go to (titans). Do we want the retention/recruitment stratergy of them?

A lot of the terrible recruitment / retention complaints come from a few very bad (seemingly) decisions, not so much the little ones (though people’s opinions vary wildly on the likes of Hunt, Arrow, Wallace, etc).

The signing of Bird made no sense and looks worse by the day this season. The four year extension of Boyd who is playing on one leg. The extension of Gillett despite the possibility he may not play again, million dollar Milford and the Kennedy, Barba, Sims (possibly harsh) flops and Thaiday going too long.

Most of these are legitimate concerns.

 

[Number6]

A lot of the terrible recruitment / retention complaints come from a few very bad (seemingly) decisions, not so much the little ones (though people’s opinions vary wildly on the likes of Hunt, Arrow, Wallace, etc).

The signing of Bird made no sense and looks worse by the day this season. The four year extension of Boyd who is playing on one leg. The extension of Gillett despite the possibility he may not play again, million dollar Milford and the Kennedy, Barba, Sims (possibly harsh) flops and Thaiday going too long.

Most of these are legitimate concerns.

Taylor was the first genuine halfback we have developed in 20 years with real potential and we let him go for nothing.

The issue is signing players and misusing them or not understanding why we are signing or firing.

Other examples:

Milf was a great signing as a fullback but before 20 we go why not make him a half despite halves don’t mature till late 20s let alone ones that need training. Doubt we would be talking about Locky as a future immortal if we shifted him at 20.

Roberts great but picked up his defence but no game plan aside from throw it to Robert late and hope he does it all himself.

Boyd on one leg. Very good player but for what we lost as opportunity cost (Taylor at 7, Milf at 1) arguably one of worst buys in broncos history. Arguably worst captain in broncos history as well. I see Wayne’s logic and he played well a couple of half seasons and had bad luck but not what we needed. We were right to let him go first time.

KNik. Great bench hooker or maybe 6. But let him go if only desire is to use him at halfback.

Lodge. Good on field. Too damaging to brand off the field as ashamed as must say.

Macca. Isn’t a origin or premiership winning hooker. Attack faults are too much to overcome at this point. Unless he wants to play 30 at hooker with full energy and 20 as tackling lock then off then rather we found a new hooker.

McGuire. Great prop. Why use him at lock when we had arrow instead we plodded along with Sims and Thaiday.

Thaiday 2 seasons too long. Although admit during last month been good with injuries but a ticket to England would have been better and kinder. 90s WB would have dropped him at the airport himself.

Sims. Good cheap buy but when it became obvious was performing was never demoted.

Arrow. Huge loss. Can’t keep them all but never gave him a shot. To make 13 his own and therefore feel he had a place if stayed.

Ese. Huge loss. Again can’t keep them all but wasn’t even a huge deal in context of salary cap.

Moga. Smart sale but why was he used so much in first place.

Opaic. Guy is wanted or he isn’t. Seems like for 2 seasons we didn’t know.

Blair good signing initially and very good release.

Hunt good call to let go but should never have been in that situation in first place. Maybe he was always a choker but don’t think so. I think we did it to him by trying to force him to be something he isn’t with no real support in the spine.

So would say hardly batting at 95%. Decisions are easy in retrospect but in my opinion this stuff has been obvious at time it happened and it just keeps repeating. Don’t mind WB being head coach till 2021 since we for whatever reason didn’t get Bellyache but only if he the board forces him to take an honest look at the past 4 years and has some deputies installed that disagree with him to work past his biggest weaknesses in tactics and inflexible mindset. If it’s going to be the same bs then at end of this year demote him to off field role far away from hq and make him serve out his contract if he wants to be paid and be done with it. Board need to reassert control and guide a future including succession plan. Can’t let the coach (no matter how great in the past) dominate the whole club or be impervious to such obvious a deserved criticism.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Taylor was the first genuine halfback we have developed in 20 years with real potential and we let him go for nothing.

The issue is signing players and misusing them or not understanding why we are signing or firing.

Other examples:

Milf was a great signing as a fullback but before 20 we go why not make him a half despite halves don’t mature till late 20s let alone ones that need training. Doubt we would be talking about Locky as a future immortal if we shifted him at 20.

Roberts great but picked up his defence but no game plan aside from throw it to Robert late and hope he does it all himself.

Boyd on one leg. Very good player but for what we lost as opportunity cost (Taylor at 7, Milf at 1) arguably one of worst buys in broncos history. Arguably worst captain in broncos history as well. I see Wayne’s logic and he played well a couple of half seasons and had bad luck but not what we needed. We were right to let him go first time.

KNik. Great bench hooker or maybe 6. But let him go if only desire is to use him at halfback.

Lodge. Good on field. Too damaging to brand off the field as ashamed as must say.

Macca. Isn’t a origin or premiership winning hooker. Attack faults are too much to overcome at this point. Unless he wants to play 30 at hooker with full energy and 20 as tackling lock then off then rather we found a new hooker.

McGuire. Great prop. Why use him at lock when we had arrow instead we plodded along with Sims and Thaiday.

Thaiday 2 seasons too long. Although admit during last month been good with injuries but a ticket to England would have been better and kinder. 90s WB would have dropped him at the airport himself.

Sims. Good cheap buy but when it became obvious was performing was never demoted.

Arrow. Huge loss. Can’t keep them all but never gave him a shot. To make 13 his own and therefore feel he had a place if stayed.

Ese. Huge loss. Again can’t keep them all but wasn’t even a huge deal in context of salary cap.

Moga. Smart sale but why was he used so much in first place.

Opaic. Guy is wanted or he isn’t. Seems like for 2 seasons we didn’t know.

Blair good signing initially and very good release.

Hunt good call to let go but should never have been in that situation in first place. Maybe he was always a choker but don’t think so. I think we did it to him by trying to force him to be something he isn’t with no real support in the spine.

So would say hardly batting at 95%. Decisions are easy in retrospect but in my opinion this stuff has been obvious at time it happened and it just keeps repeating. Don’t mind WB being head coach till 2021 since we for whatever reason didn’t get Bellyache but only if he the board forces him to take an honest look at the past 4 years and has some deputies installed that disagree with him to work past his biggest weaknesses in tactics and inflexible mindset. If it’s going to be the same bs then at end of this year demote him to off field role far away from hq and make him serve out his contract if he wants to be paid and be done with it. Board need to reassert control and guide a future including succession plan. Can’t let the coach (no matter how great in the past) dominate the whole club or be impervious to such obvious a deserved criticism.

Thats strange, judging by your assesment we should be sitting somewhere between 12th and 16th on the table and have among the worst winning percentages in the nrl over the past 3-4 years....

Strange then that we have the 2nd best winning percentage, have finished 2nd, 5th and 3rd and are currently 4 points ahead of 8th and 2 points from 4th despite a terrible start...

Now what team can I think of that is in a position like that. Coincidentally, that team appears to be using our ex players “in the right way”...

 

[Number6]

Thats strange, judging by your assesment we should be sitting somewhere between 12th and 16th on the table and have among the worst winning percentages in the nrl over the past 3-4 years....

Strange then that we have the 2nd best winning percentage, have finished 2nd, 5th and 3rd and are currently 4 points ahead of 8th and 2 points from 4th despite a terrible start...

Now what team can I think of that is in a position like that. Coincidentally, that team appears to be using our ex players “in the right way”...

We are very lucky not to be sitting 12th with clutch wins and off lucky call for a change.

Yes we have great winning stats last few years but while coming too 8 prevents coach getting fired, you get paid 1 mill+ for premierships. The amount of money and talent Broncs have with Bennett as master coach should have 1-2 premierships in this contract not 0! And it will be zero unless he fixes a lot of issues.