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Regularly praises God on his instagram. Joe O is also deeply religious. Payne Haas is a muslim. You would be surprised at the number of players in our team that hold some religious belief.
I understand that, but I would be disappointed if they went around telling ppl to repent or they would go to hell. Folau was tolerated in RU because he was 3x better than anyone else in Australia.
 

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I understand that, but I would be disappointed if they went around telling ppl to repent or they would go to hell. Folau was tolerated in RU because he was 3x better than anyone else in Australia.
lol union is so cooked in Australia. I guess this is a post more suited to the credit thread...
 
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I love my mate and it’s not for me to judge him and I never have. I don’t want to get to biblical but in the bible Jesus actually demonstrates that he wants Christians to be in the world but not of it. There is a story of a prostitute who is about to be stoned to death, he stepped in and said he who has not sinned cast the first stone. I do believe that this attitude has fallen away from a lot of Christians and i get as pissed off as the next bloke
That was in the 2nd version right? Because nothing says omnipotent, all powerful being like having to edit and re-evaluate his work, have you read the entire 2 books?.....
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."Timothy 2:12
“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)
That's just 2 of the verses (and definitely not the worst). There's also verses about killing babies, punishing your slaves who should remain obedient, torching entire cities...
The difference is your friend is not BELIEVING he is gay, he IS gay. The greatest step religion ever took to ensure its preservation in modern society was to make it offensive to be questioned. If someone said to you they believed in the Harry Potter books and started chopping off snakes heads would you question it? Suicide bombing does not warrant questioning and condemning? (btw this is done by Christians as well). What about the millions of African people who died from aids because they were told by Christian missionaries and the church that condoms were evil? The crusades didn't need to be condemmed?
All of these things needed to be challenged and condemned in history. Otherwise we'd still be burning witches, thinking people were possessed when they had a seizure, and people like your friend would have been stoned to death. If religion doesn't want itself to be questioned stop teaching it to children and stop giving claim that it is the authoritative word on what is right and wrong.
Please read your entire 2 bibles if you are going to quote it. If you go into it with an open mind you will finish it an agnostic at the very least. For me, I think it is unbelievable that anyone could belive it, but regardless I wouldn't want to follow a god like the one in the bible anyway.
 

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That was in the 2nd version right? Because nothing says omnipotent, all powerful being like having to edit and re-evaluate his work, have you read the entire 2 books?.....
How have I edited his work lol. It’s one of the most notable stories in the bible. I wasn’t quoting scripture I was simply telling the story.
A lot of the verses you are talking about are in the Old Testament, meaning before Jesus sacrificed his life.
 
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How have I edited his work lol. It’s one of the most notable stories in the bible. I wasn’t quoting scripture I was simply telling the story.
A lot of the verses you are talking about are in the Old Testament, meaning before Jesus sacrificed his life.
I didn't say you edited his work? Why did God need to re-do his/her own work by bring out a new testemant? Isn't he all knowing, why would his morals change?
 
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I didn't say you edited his work? Why did God need to re-do his/her own work by bring out a new testemant? Isn't he all knowing, why would his morals change?
Well not to much has changed over the years, it was the people who were brutal, it wasn’t Jesus, he actually set the Israelites free who had been kept as slaves by the Egyptians. A lot changed when Jesus sacrifices himself on the cross and rose again. All slaves were to be set free and all sin was able to be forgiven though him.
I think a lot of people forget that back then things were brutal and worlds apart from what they are today.
 
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Well not to much has changed over the years, it was the people who were brutal, it wasn’t Jesus, he actually set the Israelites free who had been kept as slaves by the Egyptians. A lot changed when Jesus sacrifices himself on the cross and rose again. All slaves were to be set free and all sin was able to be forgiven though him.
I think a lot of people forget that back then things were brutal and worlds apart from what they are today.
Exactly! Back then things were brutal and the bible reflects that. Wouldn't a book reflecting an all-knowing God's thoughts not be dependent upon the time period the book was written in?
Also, the new testemant continued to condone slavery so there goes that argument...
And just a little extra thought.. The new testemant bible was written between 50-100 years after jesus. The Romans, who were maticulous record keepers and documented nearly everything, forgot to mention someone who could perform these miracles and came back to life? Either these prophets were a dime-a-dozen in those days and he was nothing special, or he simply didn't exist and people compiled a book 50 years later based of the old testemant but with the word love in it a bit more. Additionally, why did God choose to only come forth in the middle East? China was much more progressed at the time. Why were they condemned to an eternity in hell (which is often cited by religious people but it is hardly mentioned in the new testament) when they weren't even aware of this option, so they were (like many still are) going to hell because of where they were born?
 

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Exactly! Back then things were brutal and the bible reflects that. Wouldn't a book reflecting an all-knowing God's thoughts not be dependent upon the time period the book was written in?
Also, the new testemant continued to condone slavery so there goes that argument...
And just a little extra thought.. The new testemant bible was written between 50-100 years after jesus. The Romans, who were maticulous record keepers and documented nearly everything, forgot to mention someone who could perform these miracles and came back to life? Either these prophets were a dime-a-dozen in those days and he was nothing special, or he simply didn't exist and people compiled a book 50 years later based of the old testemant but with the word love in it a bit more. Additionally, why did God choose to only come forth in the middle East? China was much more progressed at the time. Why were they condemned to an eternity in hell (which is often cited by religious people but it is hardly mentioned in the new testament) when they weren't even aware of this option, so they were (like many still are) going to hell because of where they were born?
Everyone is entitled to go to heaven he just asks that you ask for forgiveness and believe that he died on the cross and rose again. He says go into all the word and preach his gospel, so it doesn’t really matter where the gospel was written. God has given people free will to do as they wish. As far as people going to hell thats not something I’m willing to get into with you as it’s not for me to say who goes to hell or not. You seem pretty interested in the bible e even if you are critical about it. If you get ready now you might make church! I suggest going to and Christian Outreach Centre or a City Point church
 
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Everyone is entitled to go to heaven he just asks that you ask for forgiveness and believe that he died on the cross and rose again. He says go into all the word and preach his gospel, so it doesn’t really matter where the gospel was written. God has given people free will to do as they wish. As far as people going to hell thats not something I’m willing to get into with you as it’s not for me to say who goes to hell or not. You seem pretty interested in the bible e even if you are critical about it. If you get ready now you might make church! I suggest going to and Christian Outreach Centre or a City Point church
We have been given free will by him (Ps if you use that free will to choose to not believe in me despite all the evidence contradicting me I will burn you for eternity in hell...)
I'm guessing you love mother Theresa too. Do your research on here as well. Thousands of people died due to this "Saint", people who would have lived with basic medical care were told and encouraged by her facilities that suffering in their "final" days will bring them closer to God. And those millions of Africans dying of aids that could have been saved by wearing a condom but instead were told it was a sin and given a bloody Bible instead. If you want to claim the good (and there are good Christian people just as there are bad ones) you must take ownership of the atrocities religion has facilitated as well. And there are much more of them. Even I. S (better known as isis) does charity work, does that condone their suicide bombings?
I do know the bible.... That's why I'm an atheist... Unfortunately most people who "follow" the bible haven't read anything more than their parish/priest has given them. There was a reason that the church was originally against its translation from Latin, even they thought "if they know what they are reading there's no way theyd follow this"
 

roo-ted

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We have been given free will by him (Ps if you use that free will to choose to not believe in me despite all the evidence contradicting me I will burn you for eternity in hell...)
I'm guessing you love mother Theresa too. Do your research on here as well. Thousands of people died due to this "Saint", people who would have lived with basic medical care were told and encouraged by her facilities that suffering in their "final" days will bring them closer to God. And those millions of Africans dying of aids that could have been saved by wearing a condom but instead were told it was a sin and given a bloody Bible instead. If you want to claim the good (and there are good Christian people just as there are bad ones) you must take ownership of the atrocities religion has facilitated as well. And there are much more of them. Even I. S (better known as isis) does charity work, does that condone their suicide bombings?
I do know the bible.... That's why I'm an atheist... Unfortunately most people who "follow" the bible haven't read anything more than their parish/priest has given them. There was a reason that the church was originally against its translation from Latin, even they thought "if they know what they are reading there's no way theyd follow this"
You’ve got some valid points and I respect that way you have put your point across without being an ass. Religion is an old school method which my church doesn’t practice. The teachings in my Church is about having a personal relationship with God. Religion is controversial and can be damaging, I agree with you there.
Luckily we live in a country where we can have different beliefs or opinions and it’s alright.
 

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Also, from a plane nerd point of view. The closing of US air space is something overlooked quite a bit. Most people don't understand the logistics, and coordination the FAA pulled off that day. We talk about the hero's going in and losing their lives, but getting all those aircraft down, making sure they could land, could park, working out multiple visas, processing people across the world, it was an incredible thing they pulled off.
That's all true. People all too often attack the yanks but despite what they get wrong they are quite incredible in many other ways. No one will ever call me a conspiracy nut because I know how hard it is to organise just four people to do a thing and keep it quiet let alone hundreds and thousands! Actually, there's a clearly defined borderline of how many people can be involved before a conspiracy breaks down, a maths equation of sorts. It's less than ten from memory!

The yanks didn't deserve this and it was a pyrrhic victory for the muslims of the world who shamefully said and did very little about it. I'm afraid I realised that day that there is no such thing as a moderate muslim, just radicals and those who tacitly approved of the reprehensible actions. I find any aggressive action repugnant when it is supported and justified by a fairytale.

Anyway, apologies for mentioning fairy tales in the wrong thread but if 911 wasn't about fucked up thinking then what was it about?
 

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That's all true. People all too often attack the yanks but despite what they get wrong they are quite incredible in many other ways. No one will ever call me a conspiracy nut because I know how hard it is to organise just four people to do a thing and keep it quiet let alone hundreds and thousands! Actually, there's a clearly defined borderline of how many people can be involved before a conspiracy breaks down, a maths equation of sorts. It's less than ten from memory!

The yanks didn't deserve this and it was a pyrrhic victory for the muslims of the world who shamefully said and did very little about it. I'm afraid I realised that day that there is no such thing as a moderate muslim, just radicals and those who tacitly approved of the reprehensible actions. I find any aggressive action repugnant when it is supported and justified by a fairytale.

Anyway, apologies for mentioning fairy tales in the wrong thread but if 911 wasn't about fucked up thinking then what was it about?
I completely disagree about your reference there to Muslims. There are many more good people who happen to be Muslim than bad who happen to be Muslim. I don't think that's a very fair way to view them.
 

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I completely disagree about your reference there to Muslims. There are many more good people who happen to be Muslim than bad who happen to be Muslim. I don't think that's a very fair way to view them.
Fair enough, you're absolutely entitled to your belief but I re-iterate, there's no such animal as a moderate muslim. Well yes, that's probably not true and I couldn't prove it either. There may be a tiny tiny proportion who didn't think the usa deserved the horror, the usa wasn't ultimately responsible, didn't bring it upon themselves and thought the fanatics were scum and should have been expelled and the remaining extremists jailed for life but guess what? They remained silent as did the vast majority of moderate muslims. That's the scary thing about this insidious disease, you really have to dig before you uncover it goes all the way down to the cellular level.

Anyway, I'll save it for the next time the religion thread is opened.
 

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There’s a reason you’re on my ignore list, so at risk of getting a ban for saying what I really think, I’ll just say this: my best friend is a Muslim, so fucking watch yourself.

Edit: or Kimlo can blast you.
 
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The yanks didn't deserve this and it was a pyrrhic victory for the muslims of the world who shamefully said and did very little about it. I'm afraid I realised that day that there is no such thing as a moderate muslim, just radicals and those who tacitly approved of the reprehensible actions. I find any aggressive action repugnant when it is supported and justified by a fairytale.

Anyway, apologies for mentioning fairy tales in the wrong thread but if 911 wasn't about fucked up thinking then what was it about?
The same way you've spoken up about the atrocities in China, Burma, Iraq, Syria, Palestine? Maybe there is no such thing as a moderate old white man, or maybe you're far more ignorant, biased and capable of irrational thought than you seem to think.

That's a long bow to draw based on some flimsy anecdotal evidence which happens to support a strong bias of yours.

And yeah, I'm not a "moderate" Muslim, you can shove your made up terms up your ass, I'm just a Muslim, so you have one part right at least.

there's no such animal as a moderate muslim. They remained silent as did the vast majority of moderate muslims. That's the scary thing about this insidious disease, you really have to dig before you uncover it goes all the way down to the cellular level.

Anyway, I'll save it for the next time the religion thread is opened.
Down to the cellular level? Have you been missing your antipsychotic meds lately? Sounds a lot like someone who believes in conspiracy theories. Someone who doesn't understand what they're talking about but is utterly convinced anyway. A bit like your "majority of the quran is violent" diatribe which was demonstrably false however you repeated it multiple times and only offered a half-arsed admission of error when repeatedly pressed to backup your claim after trying to avoid it and change topic first.

You can save it all your like but if you're going to write unsubstantiated garbage I'll be sure to respond.

And just so it's on the record, you stayed silent about the Christchurch terrorist attacks. You radical monster.

Also, lastly, go **** yourself.
 
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Huge

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The same way you've spoken up about the atrocities in China, Burma, Iraq, Syria, Palestine? Maybe there is no such thing as a moderate old white man, or maybe you're far more ignorant, biased and capable of irrational thought than you seem to think.

That's a long bow to draw based on some flimsy anecdotal evidence which happens to support a strong bias of yours.

And yeah, I'm not a "moderate" Muslim, you can shove your made up terms up your ass, I'm just a Muslim, so you have one part right at least.


Down to the cellular level? Have you been missing your antipsychotic meds lately? Sounds a lot like someone who believes in conspiracy theories. Someone who doesn't understand what they're talking about but is utterly convinced anyway. A bit like your "majority of the quran is violent" diatribe which was demonstrably false however you repeated it multiple times and only offered a half-arsed admission of error when repeatedly pressed to backup your claim after trying to avoid it and change topic first.

You can save it all your like but if you're going to write unsubstantiated garbage I'll be sure to respond.

And just so it's on the record, you stayed silent about the Christchurch terrorist attacks. You radical monster.

Also, lastly, go **** yourself.
Got to admit, that's the first belly laugh I've had all day, no all week! Spoken like a true moderate! Only the insanity of religion can make ,what I assume is a decent human into the sort of beast that would actually physically want to hurt me. All because I think the fairy story is nuts and the overwhelming majority of moderates( ha ha ) believe that killing innocents is a okay in defence of their imaginary friends. See, just a little poke and the true moderate erupts.
 

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Got to admit, that's the first belly laugh I've had all day, no all week! Spoken like a true moderate! Only the insanity of religion can make ,what I assume is a decent human into the sort of beast that would actually physically want to hurt me. All because I think the fairy story is nuts and the overwhelming majority of moderates( ha ha ) believe that killing innocents is a okay in defence of their imaginary friends. See, just a little poke and the true moderate erupts.
I've got no intention of hurting you, that's quite the jump from me thinking you're a nasty senile old man.

Your last sentence, once again right there, proves you're an absolute dickhead devoid of human decency.
 

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I've got no intention of hurting you, that's quite the jump from me thinking you're a nasty senile old man.

Your last sentence, once again right there, proves you're an absolute dickhead devoid of human decency.
Ha ha ha, stop it, you're hurting my ribs!!!

So, moderate that you are is telling me to get fucked AND calling me a nasty senile old man and an absolute dickhead. Yep, and yet this senile old man didn't call you any names, didn't abuse you. Strange how you cannot fathom how twisted and angry this belief in a non existent monster like boogey man has made you. You're a vicious defender of the indefensible and you utterly refused to condemn your scummy murderous brothers when you had the chance. You are typical of the 'moderate muslim', you tacitly support the terrorist tactics by your refusal to condemn the murderers. We all know why though. It's because you're terrified of those same(similar) murderers that are rife throughout your 'peaceful religion'.

I don't dislike the human beings who are muslim, I do despise what that poisonous rubbish makes them capable of and that which they silently condone.
 

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I'm locking this thread for a bit. I've gotta say, Huge, I think you're out of line. Some of the above that I have read, is disgusting. That's saying something given the thread we find ourselves in. Some pretty awful things have been said, but to say what you have just said, about a very large population of regular people, is disgusting.

I will not have it on this website. It does not benefit anyone, and it especially does not benefit BroncosHQ.
 

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Ha ha ha, stop it, you're hurting my ribs!!!

So, moderate that you are is telling me to get fucked AND calling me a nasty senile old man and an absolute dickhead. Yep, and yet this senile old man didn't call you any names, didn't abuse you. Strange how you cannot fathom how twisted and angry this belief in a non existent monster like boogey man has made you.
You're a vicious defender of the indefensible and you utterly refused to condemn your scummy murderous brothers when you had the chance. You are typical of the 'moderate muslim', you tacitly support the terrorist tactics by your refusal to condemn the murderers. We all know why though. It's because you're terrified of those same(similar) murderers that are rife throughout your 'peaceful religion'.

I don't dislike the human beings who are muslim, I do despise what that poisonous rubbish makes them capable of and that which they silently condone.
That's a lot of assumptions from someone whose only expertise is in being an arrogant know it all.

No you didn't call me names, you said that I must be a terrorist, or terrorist sympathiser as a matter of fact and pulled imagined evidence to justify your tripe. On a scale of indecency your implication of my character is far more insulting than me calling you a senile old ****.

I don't have to condemn 9/11 and in fact, I make a point of not condemning it on BHQ just so you can feel vindicated in your hilarious far reaching maniacal assumptions of my views. I'll condemn whatever I want to condemn publicly but I certainly won't do it because you think I should. Taking the position that I MUST vocally and publicly condemn an atrocity, or else I must be in favour of it is a position only a total moron could believe is balanced or fair, something you've always proclaimed to be when the contrary is shown to be true more often than not.

And who are these terrorists that I support? You mean the dickheads who destroyed my mum and dad's homeland? The animals in Iraq and Syria who walk the streets and slaughter innocent people without trial simply based on the greeting they respond with? The same dickheads who are funded by Saudi Arabia and by proxy, their biggest Ally, America? Those same groups I've repeatedly condemned in the past in various threads over many years.

Oh so scared of them, I hope they don't find out where I live, I'm petrified. The absolute lunacy of your posts knows no bounds. Seek professional help.
 
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