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Porthoz

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This how the right wing media operate these days. Anyone socially minded who believes the rich must pay their fair share is branded a socialist lunatic.
You can blame this on the left as well, with their stupid priorities and focus on making people pay for their lunatic ideas on a range of items which most people give zero shits about, from social warriors to eco warriors, who only manage to make life hard on the people who are trying to make an honest living, and barely make a dent on the corporations they want to hit.

There's being progressive and globalist, which I am, but even I am tired of today's centre left continuously shooting themselves in the foot.

P.S. Still prefer Bernie to the Orange Toddler though.
 

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Bernie is a raving lunatic.
Please substantiate these claims.
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You can blame this on the left as well, with their stupid priorities and focus on making people pay for their lunatic ideas on a range of items which most people give zero shits about, from social warriors to eco warriors, who only manage to make life hard on the people who are trying to make an honest living, and barely make a dent on the corporations they want to hit.

There's being progressive and globalist, which I am, but even I am tired of today's centre left continuously shooting themselves in the foot.

P.S. Still prefer Bernie to the Orange Toddler though.
You can thank the media for making news from tweets. Divide and Conquer. Left and Right are silly concepts, but serve the purpose of easy vote herding. The craziest people get the most coverage from both sides.

People will cut off their faces to spite the "other side".
 
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I've always wondered people are okay with how redudant insurance companies are within the cycle of health care. It's an unnessary middle man for the purpose of profit. There is a massive human cost.

I'm still wondering how people don't understand how crippling high student debt is for the American economy. People end up paying many times the principle, money that could be spread around to small business is funneled away.

Improving medicare for all and the student loan debt to me, seems much better for the economy. These are the things Bernie talks about.

U.S is scared about M4A and Student Loan forgiveness, yet don't blink an eye when the military waste is rampant and military contracters are taking the American people for a ride.

These are Bernies major platforms. To me, the lunacy is ignoring these problems and accepting the status quo out of fear.

Oh I love how this LUNATIC was voting 'No' to the Iraq War. Is being sane now lunacy these days?
 
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You can blame this on the left as well, with their stupid priorities and focus on making people pay for their lunatic ideas on a range of items which most people give zero shits about, from social warriors to eco warriors, who only manage to make life hard on the people who are trying to make an honest living, and barely make a dent on the corporations they want to hit.

There's being progressive and globalist, which I am, but even I am tired of today's centre left continuously shooting themselves in the foot.

P.S. Still prefer Bernie to the Orange Toddler though.
Prefer Bernie to Trump? You must be a communist.
Some nice cherry picking their BTW. There are loonies on both sides of politics. Any social programs are rentlessly attacked. I'm stating to see some cracks appearing, and I think the west's lurch to the right may have peaked.
 
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My issue is less with Bernie as an individual and more with the modern left, especially in America
(Although I still think Bernie is crazy).

It feels like I'm in the minority these days, is anyone else sick of the left being a mouthpiece for social justice warriors? Like genuinely, the left 20 years ago was completely different, I considered myself on the left growing up, but I must say I feel significantly closer aligned to the right in 2020.
 

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My issue is less with Bernie as an individual and more with the modern left, especially in America
(Although I still think Bernie is crazy).

It feels like I'm in the minority these days, is anyone else sick of the left being a mouthpiece for social justice warriors? Like genuinely, the left 20 years ago was completely different, I considered myself on the left growing up, but I must say I feel significantly closer aligned to the right in 2020.
Pretty much. Rang my local post office recorded voice went through a list of reasons I may have rung, finally asked what they could help me with. I asked if they sold USB sticks.
The robot said not to use hate speech against women, gays, minorities or the call would end.
Like what the actual??
 

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Pretty much. Rang my local post office recorded voice went through a list of reasons I may have rung, finally asked what they could help me with. I asked if they sold USB sticks.
The robot said not to use hate speech against women, gays, minorities or the call would end.
Like what the actual??
😂 😂

Don't even start me on the "transgender and non-binary rights" movement(s) which are somehow gaining traction.

If I had a dollar for every gender in the world I'd have 2 dollars and a bunch of counterfeits.

These people need more help to deal with their mental illnesses, not more rights.
 

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😂 😂

Don't even start me on the "transgender and non-binary rights" movement(s) which are somehow gaining traction.

If I had a dollar for every gender in the world I'd have 2 dollars and a bunch of counterfeits.

These people need more help to deal with their mental illnesses, not more rights.
Yeah right bro, everyone should be just like you or they're not valid right? Why so threatened?
 

Porthoz

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Prefer Bernie to Trump? You must be a communist.
Some nice cherry picking their BTW. There are loonies on both sides of politics. Any social programs are rentlessly attacked. I'm stating to see some cracks appearing, and I think the west's lurch to the right may have peaked.
Communist? How dare you! 🙃

Cherry picking? I know the loonies are the ones who get the media attention, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the centre left and left are pandering to them. There are sane social policies which I support, and there is the bullshit spewed by social warriors (the insane list of genders is just one of many examples, although I don't abide by Unbreakable Unbreakable characterisation), not to speak of the also insane list of demands from eco warriors, draining funds that could be much better used, which in turn is what is making people who were always left aligned turn to the nationalistic dribble of people like the Orange Toddler or his cronie Boris.
 
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Yeah right bro, everyone should be just like you or they're not valid right? Why so threatened?
They are valid as human beings, they're just unwell.

That's the thing hey, the cry from the left regarding transgenders, non-binaries and the sorts is always "If you don't acknowledge that there's an infinite number of genders or call me by my correct pro-nouns (which I just invented yesterday), you are disrespecting me / invalidating me."

The vast majority of people in the Western world (including me) have absolutely no issue with people who are considered "different", as long as they stay in their lane like the rest of society.. But no... we're going to be forced to refer to the sick people as "they, ze or ve" if the far left has their way.

I just wish people on the opposite side of the argument would acknowledge scientific research, like the suicide attempt rates in the trans community, which are so astronomically high that some studies have acknowledged that they're likely higher than the suicide attempt rates of Jewish people in Auschwitz or black slaves in early America. (This comparison is for the members of the left who claim that trans people only attempt suicide so often because of discrimination.. uh.. no.) The only group of people in the modern world with a comparable rate is that of people with severe mental illness, like schizophrenia, that's not a coincidence.

Here's some updated numbers that were posted recently - https://lgbtihealth.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020-Snapshot-of-Mental-Health-and-Suicide-Prevention-Statistics-for-LGBTI-People-LGBTI-Health-Alliance.pdf
 

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If I was American my concern would be fixing the inhumane medical insurance and pharmaceutical situation they have over there, or the stifling student loan scam, and reigning in war and incarceration expendeture. Fixing these things, can help small business and innovation immensely and get the lower-mid incoming economy flowing and breathing.

America has very large parasites all over it, sucking it's economic life blood for profit's sake. Perpetually buying congress and running the main stream media to instill a sense of fear, that the status quo is the only way. It's funny how people don't blink an eye at an extra 70B for the most over funded military in the world, or a trillion on a war that didn't need to be, but any attempt to stop the lecherous insurance industry is just too much and would lead to financial collapse.

Here's a guy ready to tackle economic injustice and legal scams, with a history of integrity and not beholden to your usual congress doners. You won't vote for him because he's left...and left=tranny lovers. Blows my damn mind. This Left and Right mentality is fucking up peoples thinking and priorities. At what point did transgender issues that affect almost no one you know, trump the importance of dealing with economic leeches and sensible foreign policy.
 
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If I was American my concern would be fixing the inhumane medical insurance and pharmaceutical situation they have over there, or the stifling student loan scam, and reigning in war and incarceration expendeture. Fixing these things, can help small business and innovation immensely and get the lower-mid incoming economy flowing and breathing.

America has very large parasites all over it, sucking it's economic life blood for profit's sake. Perpetually buying congress and running the main stream media to instill a sense of fear, that the status quo is the only way. It's funny how people don't blink an eye at an extra 70B for the most over funded military in the world, or a trillion on a war that didn't need to be, but any attempt to stop the lecherous insurance industry is just too much and would lead to financial collapse.

Here's a guy ready to tackle economic injustice and legal scams, with a history of integrity and not beholden to your usual congress doners. You won't vote for him because he's left...and left=tranny lovers. Blows my damn mind. This Left and Right mentality is fucking up peoples thinking and priorities. At what point did transgender issues that affect almost no one you know, trump the importance of dealing with economic leeches and sensible foreign policy.
I notice you regularly mention economics and monetary figures in your list of reasons why Sanders would be a better option than Trump.

How do you explain the record highs in the American economy since Trump took over? The stock market? The unemployment rate? Average wages? Among plenty of other vast economic improvements that America has enjoyed under Trump.

How do you propose Sanders is going to do a better job?
 

Broncapz

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I notice you regularly mention economics and monetary figures in your list of reasons why Sanders would be a better option than Trump.

How do you explain the record highs in the American economy since Trump took over? The stock market? The unemployment rate? Average wages? Among plenty of other vast economic improvements that America has enjoyed under Trump.

How do you propose Sanders is going to do a better job?
I mean we're still left with a system that has people paying multiple times the principle on student loans, effectively crippling their economic capacity. People being bankrupted by lapses in insurance, or being denied insurance, also crippling their economic capacity. Your ability to be treated for an illness is completely dependent on your being employed.

Sanders proposes solutions to the American people that they are being told are unsolvable, while there are entities that make much bank from people being convinced they are unsolvable.

I think Sanders proposals stimulate low to mid income economy, which is the real driving force of small business, innovation and overall population happiness. IMO when small businesses flourish, that is the real indication of a successful economy. You can be a capitalist and realize that top heavy economies aren't great for the majority of people.

I think Sanders would represent the USA better on the mainstage with more pragmatism and diplomacy.

I'm not saying Trump is bad for the economy, there are just serious issues that no Democratic or Republican want to really address because of how tightly engrained the money is in American politics. I was hoping since Trump was already rich, and a non-career poltician that he might address them seriously, which is why I would have voted him over Hilary.
 
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I notice you regularly mention economics and monetary figures in your list of reasons why Sanders would be a better option than Trump.

How do you explain the record highs in the American economy since Trump took over? The stock market? The unemployment rate? Average wages? Among plenty of other vast economic improvements that America has enjoyed under Trump.

How do you propose Sanders is going to do a better job?
From what I understand the 'recovery' is quite modest. Some of it is indeed due to the previous administration. I don't know who Sanders is so I'm not supporting anyone in particular, I truly haven't really paid much attention to U.S. politics. I did notice the Orange Pensioner cut funding to the sciences especially any part that was concerned with climate. Trump might be reasonably good at getting the economy in the right direction but I think the U.S. is broken in so many areas.
 

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They are valid as human beings, they're just unwell.

That's the thing hey, the cry from the left regarding transgenders, non-binaries and the sorts is always "If you don't acknowledge that there's an infinite number of genders or call me by my correct pro-nouns (which I just invented yesterday), you are disrespecting me / invalidating me."

The vast majority of people in the Western world (including me) have absolutely no issue with people who are considered "different", as long as they stay in their lane like the rest of society.. But no... we're going to be forced to refer to the sick people as "they, ze or ve" if the far left has their way.

I just wish people on the opposite side of the argument would acknowledge scientific research, like the suicide attempt rates in the trans community, which are so astronomically high that some studies have acknowledged that they're likely higher than the suicide attempt rates of Jewish people in Auschwitz or black slaves in early America. (This comparison is for the members of the left who claim that trans people only attempt suicide so often because of discrimination.. uh.. no.) The only group of people in the modern world with a comparable rate is that of people with severe mental illness, like schizophrenia, that's not a coincidence.

Here's some updated numbers that were posted recently - https://lgbtihealth.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020-Snapshot-of-Mental-Health-and-Suicide-Prevention-Statistics-for-LGBTI-People-LGBTI-Health-Alliance.pdf
They are valid as human beings, they're just unwell.

That's the thing hey, the cry from the left regarding transgenders, non-binaries and the sorts is always "If you don't acknowledge that there's an infinite number of genders or call me by my correct pro-nouns (which I just invented yesterday), you are disrespecting me / invalidating me."

The vast majority of people in the Western world (including me) have absolutely no issue with people who are considered "different", as long as they stay in their lane like the rest of society.. But no... we're going to be forced to refer to the sick people as "they, ze or ve" if the far left has their way.

I just wish people on the opposite side of the argument would acknowledge scientific research, like the suicide attempt rates in the trans community, which are so astronomically high that some studies have acknowledged that they're likely higher than the suicide attempt rates of Jewish people in Auschwitz or black slaves in early America. (This comparison is for the members of the left who claim that trans people only attempt suicide so often because of discrimination.. uh.. no.) The only group of people in the modern world with a comparable rate is that of people with severe mental illness, like schizophrenia, that's not a coincidence.

Here's some updated numbers that were posted recently - https://lgbtihealth.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020-Snapshot-of-Mental-Health-and-Suicide-Prevention-Statistics-for-LGBTI-People-LGBTI-Health-Alliance.pdf
Two questions
1 why does this bother you so much? There no threat to you.
2 do you know anyone who identifies this way?
Hopefully those rates will come down now that's there's more acceptance from some in the community.
I notice the difference at my kids schools, they're far more accepting than my generation was.
 

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