Religion and Politics

[ostin86]

You disgust me. Don’t come on here preaching your religion and ideology and then flippantly dismiss and excuse abandoning real people to die in the hope that it will add a percentage point or two to the GDP. What sort of a human being are you let alone a Christian.

Hey? calm down mate. I haven't preached anything religious, in fact I'm not religious. Real people are also affected by lockdowns, not just people suffering from covid. Climb down from your soap box.

 

[Porthoz]

6,681 deaths from just over 10 million people. God knows how many of them were from co-morbility.

That's 660 per million, as compared to their neighbours Norway, with 60 per million.

Besides, which part of their health system being now overwhelmed and many more deaths being expected as a result, did you not understand?

Although I want to believe you're not as dense as this dazzat alt, you send to have gone down the same rabbit hole.

Your premise is flawed and has been proven wrong by actual science and facts, as opposed to theories from people who just see their cashflow, and don't care about others.

 

[rnabokov]

Besides, if we did not have Dazza and Ostin we would not have an alternative viewpoint reality and we would be an echo chamber.

Edited for a bit more precision:

 

[lynx000]

Edited for a bit more precision:

Fair enough, I accept that amendment lol.

 

[Sirlee oldman]

Hey? calm down mate. I haven't preached anything religious, in fact I'm not religious. Real people are also affected by lockdowns, not just people suffering from covid. Climb down from your soap box.

Nah you’re just a ****. There’s only one difference between letting people die unnecessarily of Covid because it’s cheaper and the old practice of taking crippled babies out into the forest to die of exposure. That difference is that back then they had a subsistence economy that was on a knife edge for everyone to survive. These days our economy has developed to the point where no one would have to starve to save as many people as possible from Covid. We would just have less stuff to play with.

 

[ostin86]

Just slightly more severe, like 272,269 American dead from COVID19 this year so far, (which is not a flu virus at all).

As for the (real) flu, 22,000 deaths so far

Just ever so slightly more severe.

Seriously, the dis- and misinformation in this thread is staggering

"Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that the 2019-2020 flu season involved two waves of activity and moderate severity with 38 million people contracting influenza, 18 million visiting a health care provider, 400,000 being hospitalized and 22,000 sadly passing away. That is a significantly lower total than the 100,000 deaths tweeted by President Trump (yes, yet another lie). Even the deadliest flu season of the last decade, 2017-2018, had a lower death toll with an estimated 61,000 people dying."

https://www.statista.com/chart/23129/estimated-number-of-deaths-due-to-influenza-in-the-us/

(Sorry, for the commie socialist fascist black transgender feminist atheist Chinese Iranian Dominion Chavez's ghost fraud data site)

According to the cdc only 6% of covid deaths are purely from covid. Up to 94% are from co-morbility. 6% of 272,000 is roughly 16,000. That's actually lower than normal flu seasons.

 

[ostin86]

Nah you’re just a ****. There’s only one difference between letting people die unnecessarily of Covid because it’s cheaper and the old practice of taking crippled babies out into the forest to die of exposure. That difference is that back then they had a subsistence economy that was on a knife edge for everyone to survive. These days our economy has developed to the point where no one would have to starve to save as many people as possible from Covid. We would just have less stuff to play with.

Haha your overly emotional like your mate holdzy. I've expressed my view and you seem to lack the ability to properly interpret what im saying.

 

[rnabokov]

I think america was always pushing shit up hill to get it under control due to their population density and homeless population.

Big issues yes, but the real issue here is that Trump, as the nation's president and commander in chief of the American people abdicated all leadership responsibility for dealing with COVID by deliberately failing to put into place a national prevention strategy, putting the onus onto individual states. He has no interest in a national consensus policy on a national emergency. He has failed the American people, which to me, is a real issue behind why he lost both the popular vote and that of their (obsolete) Electoral College system.

 

[Sirlee oldman]

Haha your overly emotional like your mate holdzy. I've expressed my view and you seem to lack the ability to properly interpret what im saying.

I have watched your posts for days and interpreted who you are accurately with my bigly thinking critical mind and you sicken me.
Nominate someone in your family that you would be happy to see die a horrible choking death so someone else can have more money in their pocket.

 

[rnabokov]

According to the cdc only 6% of covid deaths are purely from covid. Up to 94% are from co-morbility. 6% of 272,000 is roughly 16,000. That's actually lower than normal flu seasons.

Um, your point being, given that deaths from flu are equally the result of comorbidities?

 

[Kimlo]

Cmon man i have to weigh into that topic now too. That will always be a grey area, not sure there is any right answer. I lean more to the side of pro life but I wouldnt say my opinion is overly strong.

I'm not actually asking you to weigh in on that topic, just the double standards. Pro Freedom, unless it's not convenient to party policy. Pro life, unless it's not convenient to party policy. There's a very clear hypocrisy there.

 

[rnabokov]

And this.

BREAKING HUGE: Pennsylvania Judge Files Memorandum Stating Issues Found Statewide in PA Race - Trump Case "Likelihood to Succeed" - Gives State Legislators Power to Choose Electors!

Corrected and Updated: Since the original publication of this article and in a blow to election integrity, The Pennsylvania Supreme Court dismissed Commonwealth Court Judge Patricia McCullough’s memorandum. McCullough’s powerful memorandum was her legal opinion that she believed, based on the...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

And yes, we now have a decision:

"Harrisburg: Pennsylvania's highest court has thrown out a lower court's order preventing the state from certifying dozens of contests on its November 3 election ballot in the latest lawsuit filed by Republicans attempting to thwart President-elect Joe Biden's victory in the battleground state.'

"Justices also remarked on the lawsuit's staggering demand that an entire election be overturned retroactively.
“They have failed to allege that even a single mail-in ballot was fraudulently cast or counted,” Justice David Wecht wrote in a concurring opinion.

"As a remedy, Kelly and the other Republican plaintiffs had sought to either throw out the 2.5 million mail-in ballots submitted under the law — most of them by Democrats — or to wipe out the election results and direct the state's Republican-controlled legislature to pick Pennsylvania's presidential electors."

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...llenge-to-biden-election-20201129-p56iwc.html

 

[Xzei]

Big issues yes, but the real issue here is that Trump, as the nation's president and commander in chief of the American people abdicated all leadership responsibility for dealing with COVID by deliberately failing to put into place a national prevention strategy, putting the onus onto individual states. He has no interest in a national consensus policy on a national emergency. He has failed the American people, which to me, is a real issue behind why he lost both the popular vote and that of their (obsolete) Electoral College system.

can only really talk hypothetically here because whats happened has happened but do you think that democrat lead states would have been on board with anything he put forward?
hell they cant even get a stimulus package passed at this stage.

 

[broncos4life]

According to the cdc only 6% of covid deaths are purely from covid. Up to 94% are from co-morbility. 6% of 272,000 is roughly 16,000. That's actually lower than normal flu seasons.

Are you also applying the co-morbidity fraction to flu deaths as well though? Sorry stupid question, we both know the answer to that.

 

[dazzat99]

That's 660 per million, as compared to their neighbours Norway, with 60 per million.

Besides, which part of their health system being now overwhelmed and many more deaths being expected as a result, did you not understand?

Although I want to believe you're not as dense as this dazzat alt, you send to have gone down the same rabbit hole.

Your premise is flawed and has been proven wrong by actual science and facts, as opposed to theories from people who just see their cashflow, and don't care about others.

Ahh yes ... the old chestnut. The false dichotomy that if you call out the hoax of COVD19 you’re a granny killer.
Parrot.
The official figures (if you bothered to look) show us COVD19 is no worse than the seasonal flu). And no - lockdowns don’t affect mortality rates!
If their was a pandemic, total deaths would be skyrocketing. They are not.
The average age of COVD19 deaths is the same as the average age of all deaths.
Hospitals are quieter than ever.
But the sheeple just keep outsourcing their thinking to the lying corrupt media. Amazing!

 

[dazzat99]

Besides, if we did not have Dazza and Ostin we would not have an alternative viewpoint and we would be an echo chamber.

Yep. Like the ABC.

 

[Kimlo]

France: Tear gas fired as protesters rally against police security bill

Protesters throw fireworks and set up barricades while police use tear gas in tense clashes in Paris.

www.bbc.com

France is going to shit. They've put a bill through parliament that makes it illegal to post negative videos about police, it's an intentionally vague law so the scope is whatever the cops want it to be. Onya France. Bastion of freedom of thought, just don't show anything bad about the police state.

 

[lynx000]

France: Tear gas fired as protesters rally against police security bill

Protesters throw fireworks and set up barricades while police use tear gas in tense clashes in Paris.

www.bbc.com

France is going to shit. They've put a bill through parliament that makes it illegal to post negative videos about police, it's an intentionally vague law so the scope is whatever the cops want it to be. Onya France. Bastion of freedom of thought, just don't show anything bad about the police state.

Arising from video being shown of an apparently illegal police assault of a movie producer.

There are worrying signs of things becoming a bit too autocratic and a removal of the opportunity for appropriate scrutiny of government and government bodies.

 

[rnabokov]

can only really talk hypothetically here because whats happened has happened but do you think that democrat lead states would have been on board with anything he put forward?
hell they cant even get a stimulus package passed at this stage.

It's difficult to say. Trump's position, supporting an American's constitutional right to spread a deadly virus so others can die too, free from government interference is in the American social & political DNA. However, I feel Democrats might temper that position a little if only because it's harder to spend money when you're dead.

Who knows? I guess we will soon find out once Biden implements his strategy for a national response to COVID after Trump returns to playing golf full time.

 

[Kimlo]

Arising from video being shown of an apparently illegal police assault of a movie producer.

There are worrying signs of things becoming a bit too autocratic and a removal of the opportunity for appropriate scrutiny of government and government bodies.

If the law passes through, it gives the perfect oppurtunity for police to assault people recording them and confiscate their phone/camera because it's "illegal". When the scope is so broad and vague, the potential for abuse is high. The law is essentially "an offence to publish videos about police with a negative intent". Intent being the key word, vague and utter BS.