Round 19 Discussion

[Big Pete]

Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks v North Queensland Cowboys
Remondis Stadium, Friday 18 July 2014
Kickoff 7:40pm

Referees: Gavin Morris, Alan Shortall; Sideline Officials: Steve Carrall, Anthony Elliott; Video Referees: Bernard Sutton, Luke Phillips;

1. Michael Gordon 2. Sosaia Feki 3. Jonathan Wright 4. Ricky Leutele 5. Jacob Gagan 6. Fa'amanu Brown 7. Jeff Robson 8. Andrew Fifita 9. Michael Lichaa 10. Bryce Gibbs 11. Luke Lewis 12. Wade Graham 13. Anthony Tupou
14. Pat Politoni 15. Siosaia Vave 17. Tinirau Arona 18. Sam Tagataese 19. Tim Robinson 20. Tupou Sopoaga

1. Michael Morgan 2. Matthew Wright 3. Tautau Moga 4. Kane Linnett 5. Antonio Winterstein 6. Robert Lui 16. Johnathan Thurston 8. Ashton Sims 9. Rory Kostjasyn 10. James Tamou 11. Tariq Sims 12. Jason Taumalolo 13. Glenn Hall
14. Ray Thompson 15. Scott Bolton 17. Sam Hoare 18. John Asiata

Official Match Hashtag: #NRLcronql #RiseforAlex

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Parramatta Eels v South Sydney Rabbitohs
Pirtek Stadium, Friday 18 July 2014
Kickoff 7:40pm

Referees: Jared Maxwell, Gavin Reynolds; Sideline Officials: Russell Turner, David Munro; Video Referees: Steve Clark, Luke Patten;

1. Jarryd Hayne 2. Semi Radradra 3. Ryan Morgan 4. Willie Tonga 5. Vai Toutai 6. Corey Norman 7. Chris Sandow 8. Junior Paulo 9. Isaac De Gois 10. Fuifui Moimoi 11. Ken Edwards 12. Tepai Moeroa 13. David Gower
14. Joseph Paulo 15. Peni Terepo 16. Pauli Pauli 17. Mitchell Allgood 18. Ben Smith

1. Greg Inglis 2. Alex Johnston 3. Kyle Turner 4. Kirisome Auva'a 5. Lote Tuqiri 6. John Sutton 7. Adam Reynolds 8. George Burgess 9. Issac Luke 10. David Tyrrell 11. Kyle Turner 12. Sam Burgess 13. Ben Lowe
14. Luke Keary 15. Joe Picker 16. Jason Clark 17. Thomas Burgess 18. Joel Reddy 19. Luke Burgess 20. Apisai Koroisau
Official Match Hashtag: #NRLparsou #RiseforAlex

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Sydney Roosters v Penrith Panthers
Allianz Stadium, Saturday 19 July 2014
Kickoff 3:00pm

Referees: Ashley Klein, Adam Gee; Sideline Officials: Dan Eastwood, Luke Potter; Video Referees: Chris Ward, Henry Perenara;

1. Anthony Minichiello 2. Brendan Elliott 3. Mitchell Aubusson 4. Shaun Kenny-Dowall 5. Nene Macdonald 6. James Maloney 7. Mitchell Pearce 8. Jared Waerea-Hargreaves 9. Jake Friend 10. Sam Moa 11. Boyd Cordner 12. Sonny Bill Williams 13. Aidan Guerra
14. Frank Paul Nuuausala 15. Isaac Liu 16. Dylan Napa 17. Remi Casty 18. Heath L'Estrange

1. Dallin Watene Zelezniak 2. Josh Mansour 3. Dean Whare 4. Jamal Idris 5. Kevin Naiqama 6. Matt Moylan 7. Jamie Soward 8. Sam McKendry 9. James Segeyaro 10. Brent Kite 11. Sika Manu 12. Elijah Taylor 13. Adam Docker
14. Lewis Brown 15. Jeremy Latimore 16. Nigel Plum 17. Bryce Cartwright 18. Isaah Yeo
Official Match Hashtag: #NRLsydpen #RiseforAlex

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Melbourne Storm v Canberra Raiders
AAMI Park, Saturday 19 July 2014
Kickoff 5:30pm

Referees: Shayne Hayne, Chris Butler; Sideline Officials: Paul Holland, David Ryan; Video Referees: Steve Clark, Ben Galea;

1. Billy Slater 2. Marika Koroibete 3. Will Chambers 4. Kurt Mann 5. Mahe Fonua 6. Ben Roberts 7. Cooper Cronk 8. Jesse Bromwich 9. Cameron Smith 10. Bryan Norrie 11. Kevin Proctor 12. Ryan Hoffman 13. Ryan Hinchcliffe
14. Tim Glasby 15. Tohu Harris 16. Junior Moors 17. Jordan McLean

1. Anthony Milford 2. Reece Robinson 3. Jarrod Croker 4. Jarrad Kennedy 5. Sami Sauiluma 6. Terry Campese 7. Josh McCrone 8. David Shillington 9. Glen Buttriss 10. Brett White 11. Josh Papalii 12. Joel Edwards 13. Shaun Fensom
14. Kurt Baptiste 15. Paul Vaughan 16. Dane Tilse 17. Shannon Boyd 18. Matthew Allwood
Official Match Hashtag: #NRLmelcan #RiseforAlex

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Brisbane Broncos v New Zealand Warriors
Suncorp Stadium, Saturday 19 July 2014
Kickoff 7:30pm

Referees: Adam Devcich, Grant Atkins; Sideline Officials: Michael Wise, Clayton Sharpe; Video Referees: Steve Chiddy, Steve Folkes;

1. Ben Barba 2. Daniel Vidot 3. Jack Reed 4. Justin Hodges 5. Dale Copley 6. Josh Hoffman 7. Ben Hunt 8. Josh McGuire 9. Andrew McCullough 10. Corey Parker 11. Alex Glenn 12. Corey Oates 13. Sam Thaiday
14. Ben Hannant 15. David Hala 16. Todd Lowrie 17. Jake Granville 18. David Stagg

1. Sam Tomkins 2. David Fusitua 3. Konrad Hurrell 4. Dane Nielsen 5. Manu Vatuvei 6. Chad Townsend 7. Shaun Johnson 8. Jacob Lillyman 9. Nathan Friend 10. Suaia Matagi 11. Ben Henry 12. Simon Mannering 13. Sebastine Ikahihifo
14. Feleti Mateo 15. Ben Matulino 16. Agnatius Paasi 17. Thomas Leuluai 18. Jayson Bukuya
Official Match Hashtag: #NRLbriwar #RiseforAlex

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Newcastle Knights v Gold Coast Titans
Hunter Stadium, Sunday 20 July 2014
Kickoff 2:00pm

Referees: Matt Cecchin, David Munro; Sideline Officials: Ricky MacFarlane, Jeff Younis; Video Referees: Bernard Sutton, Luke Patten;

1. Darius Boyd 2. James McManus 3. Joseph Leilua 4. Dane Gagai 5. Akuila Uate 6. Jarrod Mullen 7. Kurt Gidley 8. Kade Snowden 9. Adam Clydsdale 10. Willie Mason 11. Beau Scott 12. Robbie Rochow 13. Jeremy Smith
14. Tyrone Roberts 15. Chris Houston 17. David Fa'alogo 18. Korbin Sims 19. Adam Cuthbertson

1. Kevin Gordon 2. Anthony Don 3. James Roberts 4. Brad Takairangi 5. Kalifa Faifai Loa 6. Maurice Blair 7. Daniel Mortimer 8. Luke Bailey 9. Beau Falloon 10. Nate Myles 11. Mark Minichiello 12. Dave Taylor 13. Paul Carter
14. Matt White 15. Luke Douglas 16. Tom Kingston 17. Albert Kelly 18. Mark Ioane
Official Match Hashtag: #NRLnewgld #RiseforAlex

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Wests Tigers v Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs
ANZ Stadium, Sunday 20 July 2014
Kickoff 3:00pm

Referees: Ben Cummins, Chris James; Sideline Officials: Adam Reid, Jason Walsh; Video Referees: Jared Maxwell, Luke Phillips;

1. Mitchell Moses 2. Keith Lulia 3. Tim Simona 4. Chris Lawrence 5. Pat Richards 6. Blake Austin 7. Luke Brooks 8. Aaron Woods 9. Robbie Farah 10. Keith Galloway 11. Curtis Sironen 12. Bodene Thompson 13. Adam Blair
14. Ava Seumanufagai 15. Martin Taupau 16. Dene Halatau 17. James Gavet 18. Sauaso Sue

1. Mitch Brown 2. Corey Thompson 3. Josh Morris 4. Timoteo Lafai 5. Krisnan Inu 6. Josh Jackson 7. Trent Hodkinson 8. Sam Kasiano 9. Michael Ennis 10. James Graham 11. Dale Finucane 12. Tony Williams 13. Greg Eastwood
14. Reni Maitua 15. Pat O'Hanlon 16. Tim Browne 17. Lloyd Perrett 19. Drury Low 20. Damien Cook
Official Match Hashtag: #NRLwstcby #RiseforAlex

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St. George Illawarra Dragons v Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles
Jubilee Oval, Monday 21 July 2014
Kickoff 7:00pm

Referees: Gavin Badger, Henry Perenara; Sideline Officials: Nick Beashel, Brett Suttor; Video Referees: Ashley Klein, Paul Mellor;

1. Adam Quinlan 2. Charly Runciman 3. Josh Dugan 4. Gerard Beale 5. Jason Nightingale 6. Gareth Widdop 7. Benji Marshall 8. Ben Creagh 9. Mitch Rein 10. Michael Cooper 11. Leeson Ah Mau 12. Joel Thompson 13. Jack de Belin
14. Bronson Harrison 15. Shane Pumipi 16. Will Matthews 17. Jack Stockwell

1. Brett Stewart 2. Jorge Taufua 3. Jamie Lyon 4. Steve Matai 5. Peta Hiku 6. Kieran Foran 7. Daly Cherry-Evans 8. Josh Starling 9. Matt Ballin 10. Brenton Lawrence 11. Anthony Watmough 12. Jamie Buhrer 13. Tom Symonds
14. Jesse Sene-Lefao 16. James Hasson 17. Jason King 15. Dunamis Lui
Official Match Hashtag: #NRLsgiman #RiseforAlex

 

[Big Pete]

Two interesting matches to kick the round off.

Cows vs Sharks is basically sudden death for Cronulla. They cannot afford to lose a game from here on out and while I believe their chances of premiership glory are long gone, I'd imagine they'll treat this game as a must win. Meanwhile, Cowboys need this win to stay in touch and build momentum for a finals charge. They haven't won in Sydney in a long time but with JT back, Moga in for Tate (which could be a blessing in disguise) I'll be very interested to see how they perform from here on out.

If I had a choice between this and the latter game, I'd probably pick Eels v Souths. Both teams will have a point to prove after last start and I'll be interested to see which side comes out on top. I'm leaning towards Souths because in terms of rosters, they'd be a Top 4 side in my book but the Eels have the form player of the game right now in Hayne and his form is so good that it's infectious. I enjoy watching players like him play at full flight and hope we see a great clash between him and GI.

 

[Big Pete]

Great footy right there.

Sweet switch play saw Morgan put Lui through under the posts only for Wade to come up with a sweet try-saving tackle.

Cows with another set, should score here.

Cows earn a penalty and will take a shot at goal.

Will be 18-12 with 50 or so gone.

 

[Ari Gold]

Apparently Keary is on for Adam Reynolds. Wonder what that says about Reynolds' future.

 

[Big Pete]

Cowboys kick clear.

30-12

Nice try from Morgan earlier. Looked to be tackled well short of the line but kept his upper body stationary and wriggled his way free to plant the ball under the posts. He's got to be a contender for the biggest surprise packet in 2014. I'll put my hand up, I thought his selection at fullback was odd.

 

[Bucking Beads]

And the Fingerbangers future!! ****

 

[Big Pete]

What did you guys make of the JT try just then?

From my understanding, it shouldn't have been given but then I've never been a fan of the rule to begin with.

 

[Bucking Beads]

The rule is stupid. It was a one on one strip.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

What did you guys make of the JT try just then?

From my understanding, it shouldn't have been given but then I've never been a fan of the rule to begin with.

Hate to say it but I agree with Hadley. It's always been the rule that even if the first tackler drops off, he still counts and a second tackler can't then come in and strip.

Even worse that the original decision was No Try and they overturned it.

 

[Morkel]

What did you guys make of the JT try just then?

From my understanding, it shouldn't have been given but then I've never been a fan of the rule to begin with.

Video ref was correct. It wasn't a two-man tackle, the original tackle was broken, so Thurston did strip it one-on-one. For "one tackler to drop off", it means two defenders need to have been touching the runner simultaneously. Which wasn't the case. Hadley's confusion at that concept confirms the dunce that he is. Think of it like this, if someone broke a tackle, went through the line, and then runs 20 metres before the fullback strips it by himself, that's not a 2-man strip.

 

[Big Pete]

Lichaa is a going to be a good player, take note Supercoaches.

Good support from Robson and Gordon to score that try.

 

[Big Pete]

Video ref was correct. It wasn't a two-man tackle, the original tackle was broken, so Thurston did strip it one-on-one. For "one tackler to drop off", it means two defenders need to have been touching the runner simultaneously. Which wasn't the case. Hadley's confusion at that concept confirms the dunce that he is. Think of it like this, if someone broke a tackle, went through the line, and then runs 20 metres before the fullback strips it by himself, that's not a 2-man strip.

Those were my thoughts but I thought it was one of those silly rules the NRL had yet to ammend.

Hope that's the NRL's interpretation too, hope somebody can keep track of it for me on Monday.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Has it changed in the last few years? It used to be that the fact the first tackler drops off is irrelevant.
This from Sterlo back in 2010.

Any rule that penalises a player for doing his job is a bad one.

Any rule that consistently frustrates fans and players alike, is a bad one.


That is why for season 2011 there must be an alteration to the current stripping rule.


Every weekend there are decisions made in this area that change the course of matches and, in many cases, determine the actual result. Too many of them are the harshest of calls on defenders with not enough emphasis placed on the responsibility of the ball carrier.


At the moment a tackler is allowed to “steal” the football if he is in a one-on-one situation with the man in possession. If another defender becomes involved and makes any contact then any action to strip the ball becomes illegal.


The first absurdity that must be discarded is when one of these players loses significant contact with the ball carrier.


Logic says that if a tackler drops off or is playing no real role in completing the tackle then he should not be acknowledged as still being involved.


At the moment he is counted, despite the fact he may not even be holding the attacker or has the merest of grasps. There is no way he should be deemed to be having an influence once he ceases to be part of the hands-on action.


We saw a perfect example last weekend when Parramatta’s Matt Keating was penalised for a “two man” steal on the Tigers' Chris Heighington.


Early in the crucial clash the busy back-rower hit the ball up, brushing past Justin Horo before being confronted by Keating. In the head-on confrontation the ball was dislodged by the Eels hooker who was penalised because of the ridiculous notion that Horo was still part of the tackle.

http://www.nrl.com/peter-sterling-w...verhaul/tabid/10874/newsid/59914/default.aspx
Stupid, I know, but there you go.

 

[Unbreakable]

It made perfect sense to me.

The first player made contact with Graham before Thurston was involved in the tackle, therefore the rule in which "1 player dropped off from a 2 man tackle" becomes irrelevant, because it was a 1 man tackle at the time he dropped off.

In effect it was a missed 1 on 1 tackle, followed by a 1 on 1 strip. Try.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

It made perfect sense to me.

The first player made contact with Graham before Thurston was involved in the tackle, therefore the rule in which "1 player dropped off from a 2 man tackle" becomes irrelevant, because it was a 1 man tackle at the time he dropped off.

In effect it was a missed 1 on 1 tackle, followed by a 1 on 1 strip. Try.

Ah yes, but that's common sense. There's no room for that where refs decisions are concerned...

 

[Morkel]

Sandow you are a dumb shit. Can't help himself, can he.

 

[Morkel]

I was actually going to post about his penchant for kicking over the sidelines. There are occasions where it is an okay tactic, but these days you're better off giving the opposition the ball with their forwards off-side and no time for a breather. Sideline kicks just seem an easy, lazy option for him.

 

[Big Pete]

Toutai really hurt Parramatta tonight.

To bomb that try and hand one to Turner is pretty disgraceful. Reckon Sio would have to come in.