NEWS Sleepy Joe: he attacked us

[McHunt]

Sensing something was up after being outscored 4-58 in the final 20 minutes of games this season, the Broncos have rehired their former hitman and defence specialist Peter Ryan to help plug the leaks. The Courier Mail rouses Joe Ofahengaue from a cheeky carpark kip and asks him how the first session went:

“He’s aggressive. He attacked us. He stripped us down to our basics … he’s starting there. With anything, you have to strip it down to the basics and Rhino has done that. We had a good little 15 minutes with him (on Sunday) but it was helpful.”

Ryan: maintain a firm grip on the chin

“We have to look at ourselves. The Eels game and the Roosters game, individually a lot of us were off, including myself. I’m guilty for it too. With defence, it’s all about attitude. We’ve built ourselves a good base now with Manly, but we can’t get comfortable with that. We’ve got to step it up another level this week and just come with the right attitude again defensively.”

Seibold: I'm thinking of a player. He's hopeless in attack and even worse in defence. Who is it?

And then Jamayne Isaako played his part in the interview:

“Defence has been a major focus within the group the last couple weeks. We all know without defence, you don’t win games. The club has brought in Peter Ryan and he was pretty aggressive in our first hit out with him. I’m sure over the next couple of weeks when we get to do a bit more drills with him, he’ll definitely help us out.”

McHunt

 

[I bleed Maroon]

I like the sound of going back to basics in defence. Line speed, line speed, line speed.

 

[rnabokov]

I like the sound of going back to basics in defence. Line speed, line speed, line speed.

Which means Marker defence, marker defence, marker defence, otherwise, when they break through with lots of support like Roosters and Eels say, you're screwed more than less.

Which is why there is merit in the old Bennett "wait for them" style brick wall although unfortunately, our wall is more a turnstile than a wall up to now.

Either way, marker defence and a straight line counts. That for mine is Ryan's first challenge with this team whatever structure is adopted.

 

[McHunt]

Which means Marker defence, marker defence, marker defence, otherwise, when they break through with lots of support like Roosters and Eels say, you're screwed more than less.

Which is why there is merit in the old Bennett "wait for them" style brick wall although unfortunately, our wall is more a turnstile than a wall up to now.

Either way, marker defence and a straight line counts. That for mine is Ryan's first challenge with this team whatever structure is adopted.

Not giving away penalties, and in particular 6-again, has to be his first priority. There's also the new 20/40 rule to think about, not that we've managed to exploit it.

 

[Dexter]

Which means Marker defence, marker defence, marker defence, otherwise, when they break through with lots of support like Roosters and Eels say, you're screwed more than less.

Which is why there is merit in the old Bennett "wait for them" style brick wall although unfortunately, our wall is more a turnstile than a wall up to now.

Either way, marker defence and a straight line counts. That for mine is Ryan's first challenge with this team whatever structure is adopted.

The wait for them method is not an option with the new rule. Waiting allows the attack to bend the line, win the ruck and earn a quick play the ball. It also lessons any chance of impact so we will cause very few turnovers and just about ensures we are bringing the ball back 100 mtrs nearly every set.
Winning the ruck is more important than ever it's just how you win has changed now the wrestle has gone.

 

[McHunt]

Interview with Ryan here:

Foggy memories: Rib-popping missile Peter Ryan loved pain

It is no surprise that Queensland Maroons hit-man Peter Ryan popped ribs in his State of Origin debut after trying to inflict maximum pain on New South Wales.

www.qrl.com.au

 

[jarro65]

But i thought all the old boys weren't welcome back at Red Hill ?[emoji848]

Glad Rhino is back teaching the kids how to tackle properly...it seems whoever has been handling that portfolio has been skimming on the basics.

 

[Wolfie]

Wonder if we can get a learn to hold the ball coach.

 

[Morkel]

The wait for them method is not an option with the new rule. Waiting allows the attack to bend the line, win the ruck and earn a quick play the ball. It also lessons any chance of impact so we will cause very few turnovers and just about ensures we are bringing the ball back 100 mtrs nearly every set.
Winning the ruck is more important than ever it's just how you win has changed now the wrestle has gone.

This is a myth now. The crackdown doesn't stop the wrestle, it's only used to penalise teams that are working players over when they're already on the ground, like keeping your hand on the ball or getting off too slow. In itself, it does help speed up the ruck, but it's not because it's eliminating wrestle. The best wrestling teams use their tactics while the ball-runner is still upright, holding them up and slowly dancing them around while their defensive line sets, before the tackled player is on the ground.

That's why we are getting penalised so much, despite actively avoiding wrestling. It's the prolonged efforts on the ground, trying to slow down the ruck long after we'd already lost control of it.

 

[Dexter]

This is a myth now. The crackdown doesn't stop the wrestle, it's only used to penalise teams that are working players over when they're already on the ground, like keeping your hand on the ball or getting off too slow. In itself, it does help speed up the ruck, but it's not because it's eliminating wrestle. The best wrestling teams use their tactics while the ball-runner is still upright, holding them up and slowly dancing them around while their defensive line sets, before the tackled player is on the ground.

That's why we are getting penalised so much, despite actively avoiding wrestling. It's the prolonged efforts on the ground, trying to slow down the ruck long after we'd already lost control of it.

No you're 100% right , the game hasn't sped up at all.

 

[rnabokov]

The wait for them method is not an option with the new rule. Waiting allows the attack to bend the line, win the ruck and earn a quick play the ball. It also lessons any chance of impact so we will cause very few turnovers and just about ensures we are bringing the ball back 100 mtrs nearly every set.
Winning the ruck is more important than ever it's just how you win has changed now the wrestle has gone.

Can't agree. Bend the line? The point is the line can be bent which ever style of defence is used. The issue is the tackling effectiveness and the speed the line coordinates and reforms is what counts. As I see it, a quick play the ball is particularly effective against sloppy marker defence and a defensive line which hasn't reformed because of the play the ball speed. The defence we used in 2015 had our line formed ready and waiting no matter what.

Either defensive structure will work provided the tackles count and the line is always formed waiting and ready with cover - everyone helping everyone else, exactly what we did back then, and what the Roosters did tonight.

 

[I bleed Maroon]

Can't agree. Bend the line? The point is the line can be bent which ever style of defence is used. The issue is the tackling effectiveness and the speed the line coordinates and reforms is what counts. As I see it, a quick play the ball is particularly effective against sloppy marker defence and a defensive line which hasn't reformed because of the play the ball speed. The defence we used in 2015 had our line formed ready and waiting no matter what.

Either defensive structure will work provided the tackles count and the line is always formed waiting and ready with cover - everyone helping everyone else, exactly what we did back then, and what the Roosters did tonight.

Exactly this. The reason Melbourne aren't tumbling down the ladder at high speed is because Bellyache is smarter than allowing his side to go unprepared in the Covid off season when the rule change was announced. He knew how much they relied on slowing the ruck down to a crawl with the wrestle, them struggling under the new regime was a foregone conclusion.

They are winning games because they are controlled. Their defence is well drilled and know their roles, keep their line formed well, move/slide as one and mark their opposites. In attack, they kick well for repeat sets and field position. They're strangling teams out of games with relentless possession and completions, which is what we should be doing.

 

[Dexter]

Can't agree. Bend the line? The point is the line can be bent which ever style of defence is used. The issue is the tackling effectiveness and the speed the line coordinates and reforms is what counts. As I see it, a quick play the ball is particularly effective against sloppy marker defence and a defensive line which hasn't reformed because of the play the ball speed. The defence we used in 2015 had our line formed ready and waiting no matter what.

Either defensive structure will work provided the tackles count and the line is always formed waiting and ready with cover - everyone helping everyone else, exactly what we did back then, and what the Roosters did tonight.

And yet all the top sides are racing off the line, we don't, ( except out outside men when they shouldn't ) and look how that's working for us.

 

[mitch222]

I have a question
Why has it taken long to hire another coach after the season has resumed? Aren’t we the richest fucking club in the nrl? What good is that if you don’t give you players the best coaching unit money can buy immediately?

 

[rnabokov]

And yet all the top sides are racing off the line, we don't, ( except out outside men when they shouldn't ) and look how that's working for us.

They are racing off the line, like the Roosters. The difference of course is their line is solid, they don't miss tackles and their marker defence is spot on. Our line is fractured and uncoordinated, like as you say, when our outside backs race up without regard to structure, they don't cover each other enough, and when they do they leave a huge hole which in the old days, Gillett and Glenn would have covered, whereas these last few games, our backrowers were standing under the posts when the attack was out wide. No edge defence at all, as all our critics rightly observe.

Either way works if the whole defence is properly drilled and tackling technique is spot on. Again the Roosters showed tonight how it's done

 

[Xzei]

I'm wondering if he had to isolate for two weeks before he could work with the playing group

 

[Dee]

Not to mention, Melbourne's overall mental attitude and desire to win every game is light years ahead of ours.

Exactly this. The reason Melbourne aren't tumbling down the ladder at high speed is because Bellyache is smarter than allowing his side to go unprepared in the Covid off season when the rule change was announced. He knew how much they relied on slowing the ruck down to a crawl with the wrestle, them struggling under the new regime was a foregone conclusion.

They are winning games because they are controlled. Their defence is well drilled and know their roles, keep their line formed well, move/slide as one and mark their opposites. In attack, they kick well for repeat sets and field position. They're strangling teams out of games with relentless possession and completions, which is what we should be doing.

 

[Organix]

So is Ryan working for us and the Reds?