SPOILER Star Wars Episode IX

Porthoz

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Is there SWJ in the SW sequels?
I've got no doubt in my mind. Rey is one indicator, as are Leia's sudden demonstration of the Force within her, and of course all the females in positions of power on the good side, and typical white males on the evil side, including the young EMO white Sith dude.

Does it mean it ruins Star Wars for me, or do I enjoy the new movies less because of it?
No and yes, because I think these movies can be better and I hope Rian Johnson is never seen near one again. That bothers me way more than the SJW agenda, although I personally really do enjoy Rey in the leading role, and don't see her abilities as something provided by her gender, but as the balance the Force is so famous for.

TBH, as long as I see text scrolling through the screen at the sound of Star Wars main theme, big ass Space Battle Cruisers invade the same screen with X-Wing fighters fighting it out with Imperial TIE fighters, all the while shooting lasers to the familiar pew pew sound, and of course the woosh of light sabers in the hands of Jedis and Sith alike, destroying anything they come in contact with... I'm happy enough.

I feel people on both sides are nitpicking to give weight to their argument.
I don't think either TFA or TLJ were fantastic, but neither were that bad either, although I admit cringing with the load of forced and unnecessary jokes in the first half of TLJ.
Yes, there are details which could and probably should've been worked out better, but this is not The Shawshank Redemption; it's Star Wars, where acting or plot have NEVER been the highlight.

Only two of the actors in the whole saga were actually worthy of their name: Harrison Ford and Natalie Portman, with Ewan McGregor getting a pass.
As to the plot... there are/were as many holes in the original trilogy, as in the prequels and now in the sequels.
Of course, this all feels like regurgitation of the same thing, but polished in a new shinier coat. No one can escape the parallels between TFA and ANH, or TLJ and ESB, and I can see episode IX being another RotJ.

It's the Avatar criticism all over again. They just re-hashed Pocahontas for the script, so we'll ignore the fantastic imagery and special effects put on display by James Cameron, because... reasons.
 

Porthoz

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I did, as a visual spectacle.

I watch movies for different reasons, in different headspaces. If you go to see a Hollywood blockbuster of any kind, you don’t go to be intellectually or emotionally stimulated.
Exactly! Although you could argue that the sensory feast that was Avatar, was certainly emotionally stimulating.
 

Harry Sack

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I did, as a visual spectacle.

I watch movies for different reasons, in different headspaces. If you go to see a Hollywood blockbuster of any kind, you don’t go to be intellectually or emotionally stimulated.
100%. If I go see a movie like that it's for the visuals. If the story is good, bonus. I'm not sitting there with my fingers steepled trying to find a hidden meaning or a parallel to my own existence. I've got a mouthful of popcorn ooooing and aahhhing at the pretty effects.
 

holdzy89

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For those that came in late...

Blatant problems with plot, character, storylines, lore, mythology, established canon etc get dismissed because 'It's ST4R WARZZ!!!' Gold class TIX baby!!!

Oh and James Cameron's entire filmography is a pile of shit...

That covers it.
Pretty sure everyone has acknowledged the films problems, whether they liked it/loved it, hated it or thought it was meh.

T1, T2 and Aliens were pretty good. Rest are pretty crap.
 

CaptainHook

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Good article here by a guy giving it both barrels.

https://medium.com/jackndelaney/star-wars-the-last-jedi-forces-old-fans-to-abandon-ship-1809d5e9d031

This guy is on fire! Check out some of these zingers:

One of the early scenes sees the continuation of The Force Awakens’ fantastic final shot, where Rey travels to Ahch-To and offers exiled jedi master Luke Skywalker his lightsaber. A relic of his past. And Obi-Wan’s. And Anakin’s. A grand moment that spouted two-years of rumour and fan theories — all discarded as Luke inspects the lightsaber for a few seconds, before casually tossing it over his shoulder. It felt like a Saturday Night Live sketch. Where’s Matt, the radar Technician? If you listen close enough you can hear the canned laughter.
On Rian Johnson’s new Disneyland ride — oops I mean film — there is no room for heroes. Legends. Good vs. Evil. It’s a politically correct campus safe space where there is no ‘bad guy’. He’s just misunderstood. A place where there is a horrendous twenty-minute segway to a casino for a brisque critique of unregulated capitalism. A place full of creatures stolen from Pokemon concept art, of Marvel-esque one liners and quips which break the modicum of tension built, where the protagonist is saved at the last second in the clutches of certain death. In other words — a Marvel movie with a Star Wars coat of paint.
What no-one, no-one, expected, was for Rian Johnson to write down all the unresolved questions on a napkin, stand from his exclusive table in a Hollywood restaurant, walk to the toilet, napkin in hand, and proceed to wipe his arse with the question-covered napkin. But that’s what he did, and masqueraded the resolutions as ‘twists’. It’s a tad easier to craft a twist when you know what everyone is waiting for, and intentionally take a complete right turn.
That's telling it like it is.
 

Alec

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Is there an explanation why the black guy was disgusted by all the killing when he was a "bad guy", but once he became "good" it was like, just kill as many as you want, who cares.
 

CaptainHook

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Is there an explanation why the black guy was disgusted by all the killing when he was a "bad guy", but once he became "good" it was like, just kill as many as you want, who cares.
Finn, as a character, is very problematic.

It's a shame too as John Boyega is a talented and charismatic actor.

He was meant to be the wise cracking, comedy relief character until they hit on the idea of making one of the major protagonists an ex-Storm Trooper.

Nothing wrong with that but it meant the whole plot and his character arc within it needed to be re-worked for TFA.

Why do that when you can serve up any ol' shit and slap the SW label on it and call it a day?

So we get this bizarre character that has this Storm Trooper past that is quickly forgotten (unless we need it for plot convenient purposes) and replaced with laughing, clapping, woo-hooing, Millenium Falconing etc for the rest of the film.
 

Harry Sack

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Is there an explanation why the black guy was disgusted by all the killing when he was a "bad guy", but once he became "good" it was like, just kill as many as you want, who cares.
My guess would be because he "chose" the rebellion, he's not being forced to kill unarmed people etc etc.
 

Nashy

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I honestly don't see why they couldn't include this in the movie. Luke's closest friend died and we get absolutely nothing...

Does far more than just show him losing a friend, it sets up for him blaming himself, and only serving to get more pissed off, and wanting to do something about it.
 

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I didn't know Tom Hardy had a cameo in The Last Jedi. Although, it was deleted.

It was rightly deleted too. The whole Canto Bight thing was a bit of a blight overall. I know why it was there to give Finn something to do and introduce the Jedi kid but it was pretty cringe worthy. Pretty much everything with Finn was pretty unimportant and this scene with Tom Hardy was even worse.

There is also a deleted scene of Finn fighting Phasma which made a LOT more sense than the end cut.
 

Jason Simmons

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Is there an explanation why the black guy was disgusted by all the killing when he was a "bad guy", but once he became "good" it was like, just kill as many as you want, who cares.
No. Nor was there any real explanation as to why he decided to completely abandon his ‘save Rey’ mission... But this point is just one of many, many issues with this film.

I’ve moved on from my earlier stance on being overly critical of this film. It is simply a disgrace of a film masquerading as a Star Wars film. As far as I am concerned it has no place whatsoever in the star wars universe.
 

CaptainHook

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It was rightly deleted too. The whole Canto Bight thing was a bit of a blight overall. I know why it was there to give Finn something to do and introduce the Jedi kid but it was pretty cringe worthy. Pretty much everything with Finn was pretty unimportant and this scene with Tom Hardy was even worse.
Pretty much another example of what happens when the film makers don't plan their story out ahead of time.

They've signed John Boyega to a three picture deal - before knowing if he has three movies worth of story to tell.

We all know he doesn't. They're just finding stuff for him to do. Expect another pointless side quest in the next one.

There is also a deleted scene of Finn fighting Phasma which made a LOT more sense than the end cut.
Was thinking about Phasma the other day. How cool would it have been if they played it like Metroid with Samus - you don't know it's a woman underneath. They could've modified her voice to make it more ambiguous until a piece of her mask is blown away.

Would have been an amazing moment.
 

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