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Renegade

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Studies prove the opposite. Weed smokers are more conscious of the affects and drive within their ability, unlike alcohol.
Doesnt your study state in the opening sentence it does impact albeit modestly? I also tend to agree with Jason Simmons Jason Simmons that a closed testing circuit isnt really comparable to an open road with the multiple variables occur in such a space.

I sympathize with people getting done by rdts that smoked the night before as I dont think the influence is as implied, but that's obviously different to punching a few then getting in a car and driving.
 

Huge

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ease up turbo, all i'm saying is weed will still inhibit your motor control regardless of whether you think it will or won't. ironically, kinda like booze in the sense of giving you false confidence.
Yes, well why didn't you write that if that was what you meant ? I know weed, drugs generally and alcohol have effects! I've never said or thought otherwise. I also don't endorse drink driving or drugged driving. I know they're illegal and stupid things to do. However, putting pot and alcohol on the same level is plainly idiotic as some on here have done. I know the law views some things through one set of 'eyes' but I see shades of grey with pot in particular. I know I'm not alone in that way.
 

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There is no such thing as being 'off your chops' on marijuana. You get stoned, reach a plateau and no amount of extra cones, joints whatever take you higher.
Tell that to everyone who has ever greened out or eaten edibles that were more potent than they expected! I've had to nurse someone back from another reality because they had too much cannabis. She looked pretty "off her chops" to me!

Even urbandictionary.com lists being high as a precursor to being "off one's chops" and surely none of the sensible folk here would doubt urbandictionary.com's legitimacy.
 

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Doesnt your study state in the opening sentence it does impact albeit modestly? I also tend to agree with Jason Simmons Jason Simmons that a closed testing circuit isnt really comparable to an open road with the multiple variables occur in such a space.

I sympathize with people getting done by rdts that smoked the night before as I dont think the influence is as implied, but that's obviously different to punching a few then getting in a car and driving.
There were others I read today that said similar, but the biggest factor was impaired decision making skills (and reaction speed) when random variables were introduced. I can understand that. Motor skills changes were actually deemed inconclusive.
 

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Going on personal experience. Maijuana never, ever once impaired me to do anything when I was an everyday smoker. All it really does is make you completely content and take an edge off. If you haven't had it in a while, well then you get stooooooooned.

 

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When does anybody ever function at optimal level when driving. Between sleep deprivation, nagging kids in the back seat, emotional issues, worrying about some issue or event, pain, hunger, hot woman walking on the footpath (worst distraction of all), etc, it's a wonder there aren't even more accidents.
This.

Honestly if they were really concerned about distracted drivers they would ban women wearing yoga pants while running. Fucking hell!
 

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Well, I've known a thousand people who've been stoned either with me or near me and I've never known anyone, including myself to be 'off your chops'. The key here I believe is to have some idea as to what that expression means and to agree to a definition. The worst I've ever seen is gut wrenching laughter and sometimes an overwhelming paranoia. With the paranoia one it seems to this layman that there was an underlying (and undiagnosed) psychological condition that made the experience uncomfortable. I do know that marijuana can affect some in very serious ways but I can't help but feel that there was (generally speaking here) a pre existent condition that the pot released.
Yes, I guess 'off your chops' means a lot of different things to different people as can be the way with slang. To me it just means out of it in some way or another, which I've certainly witnessed and experienced when it comes to weed.
 

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And we don't have amber lights over here? Traffic lights are practically the same system. It's pretty easy to pull over a motorist for a breath test. You dont have to do a great deal wrong for them to have cause to suspect something.
UK and most of Europe have amber after red as well. 99% of Europeans are drunk 99% of the time.

In China beer is the same price as bottled water.
 
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Porthoz

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Medical advice said smoking was good for you not so long ago. In fact doctors were once the biggest advocates off smoking in the ads in the mass media. Medical advice said thalidomide was good for pregnant woman too. Cough medicine used to contain herion. Medical advice is not always right and in some instances can be horribly wrong. If there's money to be made medical advice is not always a reliable source to make an informed decision.
Do you have a source for all that dribble? Particularly interested in doctors advising the benefits of smoking...

I would advise a little reading in how the scientific method works, then a visit to Google scholar before pushing Facebook memes information as facts.
 

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Do you have a source for all that dribble? Particularly interested in doctors advising the benefits of smoking...

I would advise a little reading in how the scientific method works, then a visit to Google scholar before pushing Facebook memes information as facts.

I think some of the links below might substantiate my 'dribble'. Right up until early 1964 doctors routinely endorsed smoking and spuiriked the 'health benefits' of the habit. Up until this post, I took you as being a rationale thinking poster. The speed at which you personally attack me by calling my opinion 'dribble' leaves me wondering though. I did think better of you, more fool me.

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5357 The last paragraph in particular.

R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company created a Medical Relations Division and advertised it in medical journals. Reynolds began paying for research and then citing it in its ads like Philip Morris. In 1946, Reynolds launched an ad campaign with the slogan, “More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette.” They’d solicited this “finding” by giving doctors a free carton of Camel cigarettes, and then asking what brand they smoked.
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1946 cigarette advertisement launched by R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company.
From the collection of Stanford Research Into the Impact of Tobacco Advertising
By the mid-1950s, when tobacco companies had to confront good evidence that their products caused lung cancer, advertising strategies started to shift. “What happens is, all the different cigarette companies kind of work together to try to promote the idea that…we don’t know yet if it’s harmful,” Gardner says. In 1954, these companies released “A Frank Statement to Cigarette Smokers” arguing that research showing a link between cancer and smoking was alarming but not conclusive. Therefore, the companies were forming a research committee to investigate the issue.

After this, cigarette ads stopped featuring doctors because this was no longer a convincing tactic. Doctors were coming out against cigarettes, culminating in 1964 with the U.S. Surgeon General’s report that smoking causes lung cancer, laryngeal cancer and chronic bronchitis.

You can read these links at your leisure, but this is the one and only time I'll do the research for you. Next time before you get personally abusive - how about you do a little checking first.


This last one has a massive 48 ads featuring endorsements from the medical profession.

As for my 'dribble' about thalidomide I would just like to warn you that should you wish to learn the real extent of doctors advising pregnant mothers to take the drug to relieve morning sickness you should be prepared to be shocked.

WARNING this next link contains graphic images of a very disturbing nature.

Here is a original bottle of Herion sold by the small comapny based in Elberfeld Germany called Bayer.
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Yep the same multi-national today known as Bayer Co.This children’s campaign ran in Spanish newspapers.
This link shows another ad from Beyer in Spanish.
The ad, urging the use of “Heroina” to treat bronchitis in kids, shows two unattended children reaching for a bottle of the opiate across a kitchen table. Another shows a mum spoon feeding it to her sickly little girl. “La tos desaparece,” the ad says — “the cough disappears”:
 

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View attachment 5356

View attachment 5357 The last paragraph in particular.

R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company created a Medical Relations Division and advertised it in medical journals. Reynolds began paying for research and then citing it in its ads like Philip Morris. In 1946, Reynolds launched an ad campaign with the slogan, “More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette.” They’d solicited this “finding” by giving doctors a free carton of Camel cigarettes, and then asking what brand they smoked.
View attachment 5358
1946 cigarette advertisement launched by R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company.
From the collection of Stanford Research Into the Impact of Tobacco Advertising
By the mid-1950s, when tobacco companies had to confront good evidence that their products caused lung cancer, advertising strategies started to shift. “What happens is, all the different cigarette companies kind of work together to try to promote the idea that…we don’t know yet if it’s harmful,” Gardner says. In 1954, these companies released “A Frank Statement to Cigarette Smokers” arguing that research showing a link between cancer and smoking was alarming but not conclusive. Therefore, the companies were forming a research committee to investigate the issue.

After this, cigarette ads stopped featuring doctors because this was no longer a convincing tactic. Doctors were coming out against cigarettes, culminating in 1964 with the U.S. Surgeon General’s report that smoking causes lung cancer, laryngeal cancer and chronic bronchitis.

You can read these links at your leisure, but this is the one and only time I'll do the research for you. Next time before you get personally abusive - how about you do a little checking first.


This last one has a massive 48 ads featuring endorsements from the medical profession.

As for my 'dribble' about thalidomide I would just like to warn you that should you wish to learn the real extent of doctors advising pregnant mothers to take the drug to relieve morning sickness you should be prepared to be shocked.

WARNING this next link contains graphic images of a very disturbing nature.

Here is a original bottle of Herion sold by the small comapny based in Elberfeld Germany called Bayer.
View attachment 5359
Yep the same multi-national today known as Bayer Co.This children’s campaign ran in Spanish newspapers.
This link shows another ad from Beyer in Spanish.
The ad, urging the use of “Heroina” to treat bronchitis in kids, shows two unattended children reaching for a bottle of the opiate across a kitchen table. Another shows a mum spoon feeding it to her sickly little girl. “La tos desaparece,” the ad says — “the cough disappears”:
Wasn't ready for this this morning
 

Huge

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View attachment 5356

View attachment 5357 The last paragraph in particular.

R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company created a Medical Relations Division and advertised it in medical journals. Reynolds began paying for research and then citing it in its ads like Philip Morris. In 1946, Reynolds launched an ad campaign with the slogan, “More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette.” They’d solicited this “finding” by giving doctors a free carton of Camel cigarettes, and then asking what brand they smoked.
View attachment 5358
1946 cigarette advertisement launched by R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company.
From the collection of Stanford Research Into the Impact of Tobacco Advertising
By the mid-1950s, when tobacco companies had to confront good evidence that their products caused lung cancer, advertising strategies started to shift. “What happens is, all the different cigarette companies kind of work together to try to promote the idea that…we don’t know yet if it’s harmful,” Gardner says. In 1954, these companies released “A Frank Statement to Cigarette Smokers” arguing that research showing a link between cancer and smoking was alarming but not conclusive. Therefore, the companies were forming a research committee to investigate the issue.

After this, cigarette ads stopped featuring doctors because this was no longer a convincing tactic. Doctors were coming out against cigarettes, culminating in 1964 with the U.S. Surgeon General’s report that smoking causes lung cancer, laryngeal cancer and chronic bronchitis.

You can read these links at your leisure, but this is the one and only time I'll do the research for you. Next time before you get personally abusive - how about you do a little checking first.


This last one has a massive 48 ads featuring endorsements from the medical profession.

As for my 'dribble' about thalidomide I would just like to warn you that should you wish to learn the real extent of doctors advising pregnant mothers to take the drug to relieve morning sickness you should be prepared to be shocked.

WARNING this next link contains graphic images of a very disturbing nature.

Here is a original bottle of Herion sold by the small comapny based in Elberfeld Germany called Bayer.
View attachment 5359
Yep the same multi-national today known as Bayer Co.This children’s campaign ran in Spanish newspapers.
This link shows another ad from Beyer in Spanish.
The ad, urging the use of “Heroina” to treat bronchitis in kids, shows two unattended children reaching for a bottle of the opiate across a kitchen table. Another shows a mum spoon feeding it to her sickly little girl. “La tos desaparece,” the ad says — “the cough disappears”:
Yes yes, all that was then and modern medicine and science has learned it's lessons from those early years.

Now, answer my question from earlier. Who do YOU go to for scientific advice and who is your go to for medical advice ?? Seeing as you apparently cannot trust those aforementioned groups.
 

soup

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Yes yes, all that was then and modern medicine and science has learned it's lessons from those early years.

Now, answer my question from earlier. Who do YOU go to for scientific advice and who is your go to for medical advice ?? Seeing as you apparently cannot trust those aforementioned groups.
I certainly don’t trust doctors. I seek their advice as a last option. Prescribing me heavy duty OxyContin while writing off the benefits of CBD therapy (which I asked about) for chronic pain is just a basic example.
 

Huge

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I certainly don’t trust doctors. I seek their advice as a last option. Prescribing me heavy duty OxyContin while writing off the benefits of CBD therapy (which I asked about) for chronic pain is just a basic example.
I certainly do trust doctors because I know there's no alternative. Is it total trust? No. Would I actively research my issue? Yes. Would I seek second opinions and compare advice? Yes.

The questions for you are ' did you visit another doctor, perhaps a third? Have you seen the results of a clinival trial, peer reviewed concerning CBD and your specific compliant? Is there irrefutable evidence that CBD works with great efficacy on your specific compliant? Have you considered that your gp was quite well informed and knew that cbd would be utterly useless in dealing with your specific issue and may have been acting in your interests?

Finally, if you don't trust the medical profession then who do you go to about matters medical? Who is better qualified to comment or advise?
 

soup

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I certainly do trust doctors because I know there's no alternative. Is it total trust? No. Would I actively research my issue? Yes. Would I seek second opinions and compare advice? Yes.

The questions for you are ' did you visit another doctor, perhaps a third?
Yes. To date, no person, terminal or otherwise, has been prescribed CBD in Toowoomba to date. We are a backward thinking rural town.

Have you seen the results of a clinival trial, peer reviewed concerning CBD and your specific compliant? Is there irrefutable evidence that CBD works with great efficacy on your specific compliant?
Yes, CBD is proven to be beneficial for chronic pain. Hence the government making it a legally prescribed therapy for such issues.
Have you considered that your gp was quite well informed and knew that cbd would be utterly useless in dealing with your specific issue and may have been acting in your interests?
No, this is unable to be considered by his statement, “that’s only for hippy’s from the 70’s, there is no proof of any benefits”. To which I know is categorically incorrect and his old thinking preferred me to take a heavily addictive narcotic, daily, which I don’t do.

Finally, if you don't trust the medical profession then who do you go to about matters medical? Who is better qualified to comment or advise?
Trust nobody but yourself. Take all advice, do your own research, analyse it and act in your own interests, no matter the law (medically speaking).

The beautiful thing is, now that he’s continually upped my dose of narcotics, I can legally apply to a NSW based clinic for CBD therapy in place of the OxyContin. I played the game beautifully, thanking nobody but myself.
 

soup

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Let me ask you Huge Huge, when it comes time for you to depart this world, will you not euthanise based on medical advice and law, or will you take that big shot of heroin?
 

Huge

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Let me ask you Huge Huge, when it comes time for you to depart this world, will you not euthanise based on medical advice and law, or will you take that big shot of heroin?
Oh, I want to choose for myself no doubt! Fortunately that option is open to all. If I can get the medical profession to needle me out of here I'll probably want them to do so. I agree wholeheartedly with you that one should be critical with one's thinking and do all the research possible. You didn't answer my question about seeking other opinions from different gps or medical specialists. Just because one old stick in the mud advised you doesn't mean more enlightened professionals aren't available to you. It's good that you achieved your goals. Now about those oxy prescriptions, I suppose you didn't throw them out? He he
 

soup

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Oh, I want to choose for myself no doubt! Fortunately that option is open to all. If I can get the medical profession to needle me out of here I'll probably want them to do so. I agree wholeheartedly with you that one should be critical with one's thinking and do all the research possible. You didn't answer my question about seeking other opinions from different gps or medical specialists. Just because one old stick in the mud advised you doesn't mean more enlightened professionals aren't available to you. It's good that you achieved your goals. Now about those oxy prescriptions, I suppose you didn't throw them out? He he
@Huge, I have had this chronic lower back pain from Multilevel Degenerative Disc Disease most of my adult life (first ruptured disc was when I was 17 - 23 years ago), but it was only found in 2010 when I was hit by a truck and sustained more damage to my musculoskeletal system. Since then, I have seen many, many, many different GP’s, neurosurgeons, OT’s, chronic pain specialists, Orthopedists, Physiotherapists, acupuncturists, Osteopaths, Exercise physiologists, along with self medication.

I’m still looking for a sustainable answer.
 
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