The controversial thread

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Oh, I want to choose for myself no doubt! Fortunately that option is open to all. If I can get the medical profession to needle me out of here I'll probably want them to do so. I agree wholeheartedly with you that one should be critical with one's thinking and do all the research possible. You didn't answer my question about seeking other opinions from different gps or medical specialists. Just because one old stick in the mud advised you doesn't mean more enlightened professionals aren't available to you. It's good that you achieved your goals. Now about those oxy prescriptions, I suppose you didn't throw them out? He he
Haha, I get them filled. Can be fun on the odd occasion ;)
 

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UK and most of Europe have amber after red as well. 99% of Europeans are drunk 99% of the time.

In China beer is the same price as bottled water.
Wow, outside of the beer water comparison, which I will let Sproj Sproj confirm, none of that is true for almost every single western European country

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View attachment 5357 The last paragraph in particular.

R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company created a Medical Relations Division and advertised it in medical journals. Reynolds began paying for research and then citing it in its ads like Philip Morris. In 1946, Reynolds launched an ad campaign with the slogan, “More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette.” They’d solicited this “finding” by giving doctors a free carton of Camel cigarettes, and then asking what brand they smoked.
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1946 cigarette advertisement launched by R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company.
From the collection of Stanford Research Into the Impact of Tobacco Advertising
By the mid-1950s, when tobacco companies had to confront good evidence that their products caused lung cancer, advertising strategies started to shift. “What happens is, all the different cigarette companies kind of work together to try to promote the idea that…we don’t know yet if it’s harmful,” Gardner says. In 1954, these companies released “A Frank Statement to Cigarette Smokers” arguing that research showing a link between cancer and smoking was alarming but not conclusive. Therefore, the companies were forming a research committee to investigate the issue.

After this, cigarette ads stopped featuring doctors because this was no longer a convincing tactic. Doctors were coming out against cigarettes, culminating in 1964 with the U.S. Surgeon General’s report that smoking causes lung cancer, laryngeal cancer and chronic bronchitis.

You can read these links at your leisure, but this is the one and only time I'll do the research for you. Next time before you get personally abusive - how about you do a little checking first.


This last one has a massive 48 ads featuring endorsements from the medical profession.

As for my 'dribble' about thalidomide I would just like to warn you that should you wish to learn the real extent of doctors advising pregnant mothers to take the drug to relieve morning sickness you should be prepared to be shocked.

WARNING this next link contains graphic images of a very disturbing nature.

Here is a original bottle of Herion sold by the small comapny based in Elberfeld Germany called Bayer.
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Yep the same multi-national today known as Bayer Co.This children’s campaign ran in Spanish newspapers.
This link shows another ad from Beyer in Spanish.
The ad, urging the use of “Heroina” to treat bronchitis in kids, shows two unattended children reaching for a bottle of the opiate across a kitchen table. Another shows a mum spoon feeding it to her sickly little girl. “La tos desaparece,” the ad says — “the cough disappears”:
Ok, I see you have a very broad definition of "not so long ago"...
Those headlines say doctors endorse tobacco, when in fact those are manipulative adverts from tobacco companies saying doctors advertise THEIR BRAND over others, not smoking itself. That's as misleading as it gets!

Medicine and science have evolved a bit since then. There is much more care and time invested in studying the benefits and side effects of any chemical or compound today, than there was in those times.
Besides there is a very big difference between stating benefits of anything (thalidomide, heroin, even cigarettes for stress reduction) while not knowing about potential side effects, and demonstrating those side effects while not knowing about potential benefits.

I really doubt you will find benefits to alcohol or weed use while driving that trump the danger caused by their impairing side effect...
 

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Studies prove the opposite. Weed smokers are more conscious of the affects and drive within their ability, unlike alcohol.
I feel a lot of those studies are done by smokers, personally. While driving under the influence of weed is not anything on being drunk behind the wheel, I hate the smokers will use those studies as an excuse to rip some bongs, then go for a drive. A few hours later, sure, but there are so many irresponsible weed smokers.

I failed a roadside one day (passed at station). 12 hours after smoking. I don't care what the dicks in blue say, I was not stoned.
 

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Wow, outside of the beer water comparison, which I will let Sproj Sproj confirm, none of that is true for almost every single western European country

Ok, I see you have a very broad definition of "not so long ago"...
Those headlines say doctors endorse tobacco, when in fact those are manipulative adverts from tobacco companies saying doctors advertise THEIR BRAND over others, not smoking itself. That's as misleading as it gets!

Medicine and science have evolved a bit since then. There is much more care and time invested in studying the benefits and side effects of any chemical or compound today, than there was in those times.
Besides there is a very big difference between stating benefits of anything (thalidomide, heroin, even cigarettes for stress reduction) while not knowing about potential side effects, and demonstrating those side effects while not knowing about potential benefits.

I really doubt you will find benefits to alcohol or weed use while driving that trump the danger caused by their impairing side effect...
I think I produced enough objective evidence there of doctors endorsing smoking (not just manipulative ads). Subjectivity and valued judgements aside, I'm sure any reasonable person would agree this was not just something I dribbled out haphazardly.
In addition, I produced evidence that heroin was used in children's cough medicine and that doctors recommended the drug thalidomide. These were facts you chose to call dribble. If you wish to obfuscate and quibble about temporal definitions - you're welcome.
 

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Oh right about that, yes some beers are almost the same price as water in China, it is true.
 

Huge

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I think I produced enough objective evidence there of doctors endorsing smoking (not just manipulative ads). Subjectivity and valued judgements aside, I'm sure any reasonable person would agree this was not just something I dribbled out haphazardly.
In addition, I produced evidence that heroin was used in children's cough medicine and that doctors recommended the drug thalidomide. These were facts you chose to call dribble. If you wish to obfuscate and quibble about temporal definitions - you're welcome.
Yes but as others pointed out ,that was very long ago. Some of your evidence was over 70 years old! Doctors in Mesopotamia recommended weird shit 2000 years ago but really, is it relevant? Modern medicine and science is way more rigorous these days and the standard then is not the standard now.
 
Well, I've known a thousand people who've been stoned either with me or near me and I've never known anyone, including myself to be 'off your chops'. The key here I believe is to have some idea as to what that expression means and to agree to a definition. The worst I've ever seen is gut wrenching laughter and sometimes an overwhelming paranoia. With the paranoia one it seems to this layman that there was an underlying (and undiagnosed) psychological condition that made the experience uncomfortable. I do know that marijuana can affect some in very serious ways but I can't help but feel that there was (generally speaking here) a pre existent condition that the pot released.
So you've never experienced or seen someone else experience a 'green out'?
(You need to get better weed bro ;))
I like you Huge Huge & I love pot... come on though mate, enough THC 'CAN' **** with a person's cognitive abilities.
 

Porthoz

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I think I produced enough objective evidence there of doctors endorsing smoking (not just manipulative ads). Subjectivity and valued judgements aside, I'm sure any reasonable person would agree this was not just something I dribbled out haphazardly.
In addition, I produced evidence that heroin was used in children's cough medicine and that doctors recommended the drug thalidomide. These were facts you chose to call dribble. If you wish to obfuscate and quibble about temporal definitions - you're welcome.
No you didn't provide any objective evidence that doctors endorsed smoking, only that they endorsed a certain brand and were manipulative about it. Your own evidence refutes that:

R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company created a Medical Relations Division and advertised it in medical journals. Reynolds began paying for research and then citing it in its ads like Philip Morris. In 1946, Reynolds launched an ad campaign with the slogan, “More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette.” They’d solicited this “finding” by giving doctors a free carton of Camel cigarettes, and then asking what brand they smoked.
I absolutely still call that dribble, especially in the context of the discussion, not only because you're using irrelevant very old data (which you called "not so long ago"), but also because you're trying to imply medicine and science shouldn't be trusted based on that misleading evidence. Talk about obfuscation...

Btw, doctors and Bayer recommending thalidomide and heroin because they were unaware of their dangerous side-effects at the time, is no different from naturopaths and other people pushing CBD's benefits today, when no proper studies into its potential side-effects have been completed. What if it ends up having as yet unknown nasty side-effects to a segment of the population who uses it?

The most interesting part is how you chose to totally ignore the final remark I made. Quite telling really and demonstrative of the intent of your original comment.

P.S. Yes, I am aware the fucking idiotic inflexible governmental policies "drugs are bad" are to blame for CBD not being scientifically tested properly and hopefully widely adopted if said tests are positive. Ironically the results of heroin and other drugs unknown side-effects are to blame for that,
 

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So you've never experienced or seen someone else experience a 'green out'?
(You need to get better weed bro ;))
I like you Huge Huge & I love pot... come on though mate, enough THC 'CAN' **** with a person's cognitive abilities.
Mmmm, I think I need to have a clearer understanding of this 'green out' before I comment. I've smoked the strongest pot known to man having had access to Thai and Asian rim produce in the early seventies right through to most recently the strongest strains in the US legalised states and all I can say is that I've been smashed up but it seems as though I both can't be bothered having more while simultaneously feeling I'm not getting stoned any further (more stoned !)

I've never felt sick or overdosed when ONLY smoking but if mixed with alcohol all bets are off! I suppose I haven't experienced the effects of a gutful of edibles though so maybe there's a level I've never visited. Certainly gives me another thing to add to the bucketlist for when I leave the heavily regulated mining industry! An ounce of premium in a batch of cookies....mmmmm, looking forwards to that now that I think about it.
 

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Welcome to the BHQ weed strain thread, where all styles and kinds of genetic varieties are now relevant to our number 14 getting pinged for DUI.
 

Nashy

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Mmmm, I think I need to have a clearer understanding of this 'green out' before I comment. I've smoked the strongest pot known to man having had access to Thai and Asian rim produce in the early seventies right through to most recently the strongest strains in the US legalised states and all I can say is that I've been smashed up but it seems as though I both can't be bothered having more while simultaneously feeling I'm not getting stoned any further (more stoned !)

I've never felt sick or overdosed when ONLY smoking but if mixed with alcohol all bets are off! I suppose I haven't experienced the effects of a gutful of edibles though so maybe there's a level I've never visited. Certainly gives me another thing to add to the bucketlist for when I leave the heavily regulated mining industry! An ounce of premium in a batch of cookies....mmmmm, looking forwards to that now that I think about it.
Greenout on weed is an overdose. A normal person calls it a good sleep. The most common thing that happens with "greening out" is you feel tired, if you're a new smoker, you might have a little vom before you fall asleep for a few hours.

We don't use the overdose word because it's associated with far more serious drugs, and a really big problem, which with weed, it's not.

Weed is strong here if you know where to get it. Most say that weed now is far stronger than the 70's, no idea though. Most people I've smoked with have a green out story, but it usually only happens to someone once or twice. It's certainly not something that happens to people like myself anymore.

Also, the saying. Grass before beer, you're in the clear. Beer before grass, you're on your ass.
 

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Welcome to the BHQ weed strain thread, where all styles and kinds of genetic varieties are now relevant to our number 14 getting pinged for DUI.
I appreciate your welcome, it's great to be in a thread that speaks to me.
 

Huge

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Greenout on weed is an overdose. A normal person calls it a good sleep. The most common thing that happens with "greening out" is you feel tired, if you're a new smoker, you might have a little vom before you fall asleep for a few hours.

We don't use the overdose word because it's associated with far more serious drugs, and a really big problem, which with weed, it's not.

Weed is strong here if you know where to get it. Most say that weed now is far stronger than the 70's, no idea though. Most people I've smoked with have a green out story, but it usually only happens to someone once or twice. It's certainly not something that happens to people like myself anymore.

Also, the saying. Grass before beer, you're in the clear. Beer before grass, you're on your ass.
It's true that weed is generally stronger but some strains in the 70s and 80s, particularly those from Thailand etc could be highly potent. With the advent of hydroponics it became posiible to experiment with a very quick turnaround and year round experimentation so some strong strains were developed. I had my first joints some 45 years ago and in the following 15 years a fair chunk of the pot sold was imported.

There was no real hydro to speak of although I'm sure someone somewhere was working on it. Even with the later flood of hydro pot I never really encountered anything that stood head and shoulders above all else and in fact there were times where it looked and smelled like dynamite gear yet was absolutely weak as water yet was still hydroponic pot.

When in the states a few years back I stopped at a weed store in Colorado I think and got 50 bucks worth of the two strongest and I have to say, the one I did end up trying lived up to the description. Reminds me, I must go on another trip to the US, might buy myself a restomod while I'm there too😈
 

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Greenout on weed is an overdose. A normal person calls it a good sleep. The most common thing that happens with "greening out" is you feel tired, if you're a new smoker, you might have a little vom before you fall asleep for a few hours.
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I remember when me and 4 other mates were having a compression session in another mates room with the towel under the door. I was only 15 and ripped back 10-15 cones within the space of 30 minutes, I greened out hard! My mates mum came home and kicked all of us out, so we had to call a taxi. I was spewing my guts up for a good 10 minutes while waiting for the taxi, my face was whiter then a nuns ass and I was spinning out something chronic.
We did go through a Q in one sitting but I’d never do that shit again, even now
 

Nashy

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It's true that weed is generally stronger but some strains in the 70s and 80s, particularly those from Thailand etc could be highly potent. With the advent of hydroponics it became posiible to experiment with a very quick turnaround and year round experimentation so some strong strains were developed. I had my first joints some 45 years ago and in the following 15 years a fair chunk of the pot sold was imported.

There was no real hydro to speak of although I'm sure someone somewhere was working on it. Even with the later flood of hydro pot I never really encountered anything that stood head and shoulders above all else and in fact there were times where it looked and smelled like dynamite gear yet was absolutely weak as water yet was still hydroponic pot.

When in the states a few years back I stopped at a weed store in Colorado I think and got 50 bucks worth of the two strongest and I have to say, the one I did end up trying lived up to the description. Reminds me, I must go on another trip to the US, might buy myself a restomod while I'm there too😈
The big thing over here is that Aussies tend to not know that weed ain't weed. The hydro biker weed over here is full of growth enhancers, to make the bud grow quicker and denser, but it fills it with chemicals, and doesn't produce the natural THC due to the plant just not growing correctly. These chemicals are banned in most western countries for use with food, so it tells you a bit about the shit.

Unfortunately, it's fucking everywhere, and it's a near impossible task to stop people, who already struggle to buy it, to not smoke shit that's just outright bad for them. So it's flooded the markets.

It was years before I was taught about it too. Now days, I finally only have the option of good, clean stuff. The sort of stuff people in the 70's would dream of. Ironically, the last stuff I had was called Train Wreck.
 

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I remember when me and 4 other mates were having a compression session in another mates room with the towel under the door. I was only 15 and ripped back 10-15 cones within the space of 30 minutes, I greened out hard! My mates mum came home and kicked all of us out, so we had to call a taxi. I was spewing my guts up for a good 10 minutes while waiting for the taxi, my face was whiter then a nuns ass and I was spinning out something chronic.
We did go through a Q in one sitting but I’d never do that shit again, even now
Yeah, that's pretty common too! New smokers not knowing how powerful the stuff is, smash them back, don't wait, and then fuckin whack. All those glorious cones smack you at once.
 

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