The Nerdy Stats Thread

[Porthoz]

Ok, here are the stats for the season so far, when it comes to our forwards:

Name	Games	Mins	Runs	Meters	T.Brks	Offloads
	Played	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	P/ Run	Total	Avg	Total	Avg
Josh McGuire	4	208	52.0	50	12.5	423	105.8	8.5	0	0.0	0	0.0
Andrew McCullough	5	400	80.0	36	7.2	334	66.8	9.3	5	1.0	1	0.2
Corey Parker	5	351	70.2	73	14.6	599	119.8	8.2	1	0.2	16	3.2
Alex Glenn	5	383	76.6	66	13.2	569	113.8	8.6	7	1.4	0	0.0
Sam Thaiday	5	288	57.6	44	8.8	395	79.0	9.0	9	1.8	0	0.0
Matt Gillett	5	321	64.2	61	12.2	499	99.8	8.2	13	2.6	4	0.8
Ben Hannant	3	113	37.7	33	11.0	236	78.7	7.2	4	1.3	3	1.0
Martin Kennedy	5	160	32.0	37	7.4	326	65.2	8.8	1	0.2	1	0.2
Todd Lowrie	5	99	19.8	18	3.6	149	29.8	8.3	3	0.6	0	0.0
David Hala	1	17	17.0	6	6.0	56	56.0	9.3	1	1.0	0	0.0
Jarrod Wallace	2	46	23.0	11	5.5	93	46.5	8.5	0	0.0	0	0.0
Corey Oates	2	25	12.5	5	2.5	48	24.0	9.6	0	0.0	0	0.0
Name	Errors	Pen Conc.	Tackles	1 On 1	Ineffective	Missed
	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg
Josh McGuire	1	0.3	5	1.3	125	31.3	3	0.8	1	0.3	6	1.5
Andrew McCullough	2	0.4	5	1.0	236	47.2	9	1.8	12	2.4	10	2.0
Corey Parker	1	0.2	4	0.8	170	34.0	6	1.2	6	1.2	4	0.8
Alex Glenn	0	0.0	1	0.2	115	23.0	5	1.0	5	1.0	19	3.8
Sam Thaiday	4	0.8	4	0.8	156	31.2	11	2.2	4	0.8	13	2.6
Matt Gillett	4	0.8	2	0.4	125	25.0	18	3.6	6	1.2	13	2.6
Ben Hannant	2	0.7	1	0.3	69	23.0	6	2.0	4	1.3	7	2.3
Martin Kennedy	1	0.2	2	0.4	104	20.8	7	1.4	7	1.4	5	1.0
Todd Lowrie	1	0.2	2	0.4	49	9.8	3	0.6	3	0.6	5	1.0
David Hala	0	0.0	0	0.0	10	10.0	1	1.0	0	0.0	1	1.0
Jarrod Wallace	0	0.0	0	0.0	30	15.0	0	0.0	1	0.5	2	1.0
Corey Oates	1	0.5	0	0.0	14	7.0	2	1.0	0	0.0	0	0.0

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Round 5 - Broncos vs Eels - Post-Game Discussion

And now for something entirely different, the stats for the guys you named [MENTION=1771]QUEENSLANDER[/MENTION]. I've included Nate Myles, because he certainly deserves to be named amongst those names:

Name	Games	Mins	Runs	Meters	T.Brks	Offloads
	Played	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	P/ Run	Total	Avg	Total	Avg
Tirinau Arona	5	269	53.8	55	11.0	440	88.0	8.0	13	2.6	1	0.2
Manu Ma'u	5	390	78.0	61	12.2	583	116.6	9.6	21	4.2	3	0.6
Shaun Fensom	4	262	65.5	63	15.8	443	110.8	7.0	6	1.5	6	1.5
Trent Merrin	5	350	70.0	81	16.2	752	150.4	9.3	7	1.4	12	2.4
Sam Burgess	5	360	72.0	103	20.6	784	156.8	7.6	13	2.6	11	2.2
Anthony Watmough	5	367	73.4	72	14.4	554	110.8	7.7	8	1.6	8	1.6
Tarik Sims	4	182	45.5	45	11.3	436	109.0	9.7	14	3.5	1	0.3
Jason Taumalolo	4	320	80.0	53	13.3	548	137.0	10.3	21	5.3	2	0.5
Nate Myles	5	275	55.0	64	12.8	493	98.6	7.7	4	0.8	2	0.4
Greg Bird	5	363	72.6	79	15.8	630	126.0	8.0	9	1.8	11	2.2
Name	Errors	Pen Conc.	Tackles	1 On 1	Ineffective	Missed
	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg
Tirinau Arona	0	0.0	2	0.4	144	28.8	0	0.0	16	3.2	5	1.0
Manu Ma'u	5	1.0	5	1.0	137	27.4	5	1.0	7	1.4	10	2.0
Shaun Fensom	1	0.3	2	0.5	168	42.0	9	2.3	4	1.0	0	0.0
Trent Merrin	3	0.6	3	0.6	229	45.8	3	0.6	13	2.6	6	1.2
Sam Burgess	7	1.4	6	1.2	169	33.8	10	2.0	6	1.2	12	2.4
Anthony Watmough	4	0.8	3	0.6	191	38.2	7	1.4	5	1.0	13	2.6
Tarik Sims	4	1.0	4	1.0	113	28.3	5	1.3	2	0.5	6	1.5
Jason Taumalolo	3	0.8	0	0.0	96	24.0	5	1.3	6	1.5	2	0.5
Nate Myles	5	1.0	6	1.2	208	41.6	8	1.6	10	2.0	12	2.4
Greg Bird	5	1.0	5	1.0	127	25.4	8	1.6	8	1.6	15	3.0

 

[QUEENSLANDER]

Re: Round 5 - Broncos vs Eels - Post-Game Discussion

And now for something entirely different, the stats for the guys you named @QUEENSLANDER . I've included Nate Myles, because he certainly deserves to be named amongst those names:

Name	Games	Mins	Runs	Meters	T.Brks	Offloads
	Played	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	P/ Run	Total	Avg	Total	Avg
Tirinau Arona	5	269	53.8	55	11.0	440	88.0	8.0	13	2.6	1	0.2
Manu Ma'u	5	390	78.0	61	12.2	583	116.6	9.6	21	4.2	3	0.6
Shaun Fensom	4	262	65.5	63	15.8	443	110.8	7.0	6	1.5	6	1.5
Trent Merrin	5	350	70.0	81	16.2	752	150.4	9.3	7	1.4	12	2.4
Sam Burgess	5	360	72.0	103	20.6	784	156.8	7.6	13	2.6	11	2.2
Anthony Watmough	5	367	73.4	72	14.4	554	110.8	7.7	8	1.6	8	1.6
Tarik Sims	4	182	45.5	45	11.3	436	109.0	9.7	14	3.5	1	0.3
Jason Taumalolo	4	320	80.0	53	13.3	548	137.0	10.3	21	5.3	2	0.5
Nate Myles	5	275	55.0	64	12.8	493	98.6	7.7	4	0.8	2	0.4
Greg Bird	5	363	72.6	79	15.8	630	126.0	8.0	9	1.8	11	2.2
Name	Errors	Pen Conc.	Tackles	1 On 1	Ineffective	Missed
	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg	Total	Avg
Tirinau Arona	0	0.0	2	0.4	144	28.8	0	0.0	16	3.2	5	1.0
Manu Ma'u	5	1.0	5	1.0	137	27.4	5	1.0	7	1.4	10	2.0
Shaun Fensom	1	0.3	2	0.5	168	42.0	9	2.3	4	1.0	0	0.0
Trent Merrin	3	0.6	3	0.6	229	45.8	3	0.6	13	2.6	6	1.2
Sam Burgess	7	1.4	6	1.2	169	33.8	10	2.0	6	1.2	12	2.4
Anthony Watmough	4	0.8	3	0.6	191	38.2	7	1.4	5	1.0	13	2.6
Tarik Sims	4	1.0	4	1.0	113	28.3	5	1.3	2	0.5	6	1.5
Jason Taumalolo	3	0.8	0	0.0	96	24.0	5	1.3	6	1.5	2	0.5
Nate Myles	5	1.0	6	1.2	208	41.6	8	1.6	10	2.0	12	2.4
Greg Bird	5	1.0	5	1.0	127	25.4	8	1.6	8	1.6	15	3.0

So this really backs up my choices

• Gillet has missed more tackles than them all except bird and equal with watmough.
• Gillet makes less tackles than all of them except for Lolo
• Makes about average offloads
• Makes less runs on average than all but 2 of them
• About average in tackle breaks

Looks like my selections were pretty spot on, stats wise anyway

Best thing i learnt from that, Fensom hasnt missed a tackle all year. What a machine

 

[Big Pete]

Re: Round 5 - Broncos vs Eels - Post-Game Discussion

I can't believe for the supposed number one fan, Porthoz forgot the most vital stat that sets Gillett apart from all the rest.

Maybe you just assumed that others knew, clearly not.

Tries baby.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Round 5 - Broncos vs Eels - Post-Game Discussion

I can't believe for the supposed number one fan, Porthoz forgot the most vital stat that sets Gillett apart from all the rest.

Maybe you just assumed that others knew, clearly not.

Tries baby.

I didn't forget BP... I only put up the typical forward stats to see how "selective" [MENTION=1771]QUEENSLANDER[/MENTION] would be. :wink:

Later more...

 

[Porthoz]

Okay, as promised...

Note that the averages are different for each type of stat, to reflect more accurately the actual output.
Offensive stats:
- Run average p/min
- Tackle Break and Offloads are averages p/run

Defensive stats:
- Errors, Penalties Tackles and Missed Tackles average p/min
- 1 on 1 and ineffective tackles average p/tackle

The green cells highlight better stats for Gillett, while the red ones are worse. Simply:
Green = Gillett GOOD! :top:
Red = Gillett BAD! :thumpdown:
White = Same

First the comparison to the middle ruck players / locks / props:

Offense:

Defense:

From the runs and tackles averages, it's clear that he doesn't have the work ethic of these players. He has however a higher try scoring/assist ability, better discipline, more effective runs, both in meters gained as well as tackle breaks, and while his ineffective/missed tackles are a touch below par, the amount of 1 on 1 tackles he does is practically double of the rest, which is always a sure way to get your missed tackle up.
Still, it is obvious that he doesn't really belong in this category of hard toilers.

So let's look at the fringe second rowers and how they stack up...

Offense:

Defense:

Well... There isn't single player you can say is overal better than Gillett, because they either will have better attacking stats (Ma'u, Taumalolo for example) and worse defensive/discipline stats, or the other way around.

What does it mean really?
Of all the names ventured to be much better than Gillett... none of them really can claim a clear cut advantage. I'd say that in the NRL world where he competes amongst another 60 or so second rowers, that places him well at the top, just good enough for ISC...

 

[Super Freak]

Gillett averages more metres per run than Burgess and Watmough? ****...

 

[I bleed Maroon]

Hala has racked up a third of Lowries metres and Lowrie has played 4 more games.

 

[noisetheory]

Gillett averages more metres per run than Burgess and Watmough? ****...

probably due to:
- surgess and watmough taking hit ups early in the set, gillett usually 4th or 5th
- gillett extra run metres from a couple of line breaks eg the 30 metre run when he scored off a barba inside pass.

 

[QUEENSLANDER]

probably due to:
- surgess and watmough taking hit ups early in the set, gillett usually 4th or 5th
- gillett extra run metres from a couple of line breaks eg the 30 metre run when he scored off a barba inside pass.

Average run meters is such a stupid stat, as you pointed out the flaws in it. Add a linebreak into a forwards game and the avg metres is inflated, much like a winger scoring a length of the field try will then usually get the most metres made for the game

 

[Porthoz]

probably due to:
- surgess and watmough taking hit ups early in the set, gillett usually 4th or 5th
- gillett extra run metres from a couple of line breaks eg the 30 metre run when he scored off a barba inside pass.

Okay, adding line breaks to Gillett's good stats. :takdir:

 

[noisetheory]

i'd love to see a stat on the amount of times our centres and wingers receive the ball in an attacking motion (ie not a hit up in own end/kick return/etc). compared to the rest of hte comp.

 

[JMG87]

How about some stats about our backs? Can't seem to find it on the net

 

[Ari Gold]

[MENTION=2221]Porthoz[/MENTION] You should do one about Josh Hoffman's runs per receive ratio compared to the rest of the halves in the comp.

 

[Kimlo]

What a great idea Ari! Wink wink Porthoz

 

[JMG87]

What's a good site to find stats guys? :-)

 

[Porthoz]

What's a good site to find stats guys? :-)

nrlstats.com

 

[JMG87]

nrlstats.com

Thanks mate