The Storm.

Hamm.0

Hamm.0

NRL Captain
Mar 5, 2008
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Let me start by saying it's no secret on this forum that I love the Storm. They are my 3rd team (although it's pretty hard to like anything about the Cowboys these days) and as soon as Broncos bite the dust, I jump on the Storm wagon. Especially this year minus King, except for White and Hoffman, there isn't a single player I don't like.

Ok now;

Can anyone beat the Storm? After last nights game vs. Roosters, which the Storm didn't even break out of a canter for, I am left wondering is it even possible to beat them?

How would you beat them, if you were a coach of the Broncos? I don't know if the Broncos could beat them, but if they did a few of these, I'm sure they would come closer then every other team has.

The following is my suggestions (the main thing is, these sound simple, but execution is harder then words) from the last few games I've watched them play;

Defence;
- A fight the first scrum or pick a good tackle to start a little altercation. As barbaric as this sounds, I think they do get restless when they are playing a physical team. So I'd be telling a few in the pack to niggle hard in the first 5 minutes, especially when Slater or Hoffman are in a tackle. Obviously don't go out there and punch on, I mean niggle and head butt to try and get them to start a scuffle or better yet, for them to punch first. After 5 minutes, quit all hostility.
-The simple things in defence. Storm love forwards running straight out up the middle third. So we need the ruck defence tight as possible, that doesn't mean 4 in a tackle, that means man on man marking around the ruck.
- The Storms favourite plays are simple ones. Offloads up the middle and then kicks to the flanks. Defending Izzy is a mammoth task. Without leaving holes on the outside, when the kick comes across for Falou, if the winger and fullback could rehearse one leaping to contest and one trying to position himself in front of where Falou will land. The inside centre has to them be in a position to help tackle him when he lands, but be wary of the inside ball. Now this is a nearly impossible thing to control, so the other alternative is to really go after Cronk.
- Whenever Slater even attempts to enter the backline, mark up on him.

That leads me to my attack;

- Ennis has to run it like no tomorrow. Him up the guts and the rest of the pack just keep turning it on the inside early in each half. Forwards running both sides of the ruck every play the ball. So there is the 3 pronged attack up the middle constantly. Just straight up stuff.
- After the first few minutes, or on every 3rd tackle, the backrowers need to run at Cronk and C. Smith. Relentlessly. Cronk needs to be hurting by the 20th minute of each half. Smith is a legend and will more then likely handle it. He went MIA when Manly thumped him early on last week, so there is hope, however Cronk would get very restless being ran at lots. Storm tends to hide Cronk out in the centres in defence, so this may prove hard.
- On the kicks. No grubbers to ourselves (Ennis). Howver, no one will win in the air against the Storm, which means when attacking their line, grubbers behind the line are the only way. Grubbers almost every time when attacking on their tryline.
- That said, every now and then, if we are going to use the high ball, it has to be in the middle of the field, at the goal posts. That is the only place I'd put a high ball against Storm.
- 3/5 mid mid field kicks have to go out. If that means losing some ground it doesn't matter. The majority of kicks down the ground have to go dead, in order to force the scrum and the set defence line. Takes Slater and Storms orsm returns against broken play out of the game.
- This is a little hard to explain, If I had access to imageshack, I could use Paint and explain like a whiteboard.lolz;

Ok, Storm use the umbrella defence, where by the inside centre (two in from wing) & sometimes the outside centre, rushes up and tries to cut off the backline play by forcing pressure onto the oppositions outside backs. The way to combat this is to have Lockyer or Wallace running to the line, our inside centre (Hodges/ Boyd/ Kemp) running a straight line as decoy and the outside centre (Hodges/ Boyd/ Kemp) cutting a line back inside toward the posts, also as a decoy. Lockyer/ Wallace then cut out both players straight to the winger (Hodges/ Boyd/ Kemp) to attempt to dive into the corner. I have thought about this for awhile, Anasta unsuccessfully attempted it last night. Done properly (meaning the winger stays back and times his run, so as to hit the ball flat, I think it would work. Storm would then need to change their defensive style midgame. Would be very unsettling for them. [does that make sense? Someone host a picture for me!!]


Like I said, easier said then done. They are an orsm side, but they are beatable.
 
To beat them do what the Warriors did to them & us.

Spoiling tactics.
 
This is how I see it:

Manly - Don't have the attack and kicking game required. Strong enough in the forwards to compete with them
Cronulla - Again, don't have the attack. They have the kicking game though... Forward pack is also strong enough to compete
Roosters - Don't have the attack either, kicking game is suspect. With Nate Myles and fitzgibbon back in the side they have the forward pack capable of knocking them off.
Brisbane - Have the attack capable of beating Melbourne, kicking game too. Forwards will even themselves out if the attack is on song.

IMO we are still the best chance of beating Melbourne, but it'll require us having our strongest side on the park.
 
Storm are too good in both attack and defence and until the NRL change their view and police them more heavily (though I am starting to agree that they are not really any worse than any other side) in the ruck no one can beat them. The one team I see as a chance is the Sharks, because they have the ability to grind and wrestle and the only time the Storm has problems is in that type of match. I don't see this happening but Ricky Stuart has the type of team with the type of mentality required to really push them.
 
renouf said:
This is how I see it:

Manly - Don't have the attack and kicking game required. Strong enough in the forwards to compete with them
Cronulla - Again, don't have the attack. They have the kicking game though... Forward pack is also strong enough to compete
Roosters - Don't have the attack either, kicking game is suspect. With Nate Myles and fitzgibbon back in the side they have the forward pack capable of knocking them off.
Brisbane - Have the attack capable of beating Melbourne, kicking game too. Forwards will even themselves out if the attack is on song.

IMO we are still the best chance of beating Melbourne, but it'll require us having our strongest side on the park.


Our game plan is far too predictable for the Storm, as is our unpredictable enthusiasm.

But then, we've got Parker and Robinson! [icon_evillaugh

IMO, the only teams which are a real chance against them are Manly if they play out of their skins, or the Raiders.
 
Don't agree, with Hodges, Hunt, Lockyer we are capable of anything. Problem is keeping those guys on the park together for more than 2 weeks
 
renouf said:
Don't agree, with Hodges, Hunt, Lockyer we are capable of anything. Problem is keeping those guys on the park together for more than 2 weeks


Individual brilliance is one thing but it will rarely beat a well drilled side with the same amount of X-factors like the Storm have (Inglis, Folau, Slater, Smith) , and we are in NO WAY anythying NEAR like a well-drilled side - except in our predictablity.

My criticism of Benny has always been that he can bring out the music in a player, but forgets the symphony is what counts.
 
We won't beat Melbourne if we play them in the finals, but it'll be interesting to watch if we do have our full side on the park. Can't see any other team troubling them.
 
Thats cool guys. w0w you all sort of missed the point of the thread didn't you?

I'm not asking WHO can beat the Storm. I'm asking for what ideas you have on beating the Storm. After watching their games as much of some of you Storm haters obviously must have, I'm asking for pointers that you feel would help a team beat them.

An example;

The Broncos backline movement of; half giving to forward who hits and spins, passing back to wrapping half, who cuts out to fullback, who cuts out to winger.....WOULDN'T work against the Storm.

The backline movement of half running at line, then same time inside and outside centre positions running decoy lines (outside running a decoy line INWARD to try and draw the winger in), then half cutting both men out and attempting to throw a 25 metre cut out to flying winger for corner....WOULD work, as the Storm use a rush up, umbrella defence.
 
how do you beat the storm? Find a referee that enforces the rules a la simpkins in 2006. Storm are the biggest cheats in sport since flo jo
 
Agree re their unbrella D Hammo. I said the same after Origin 1, Quinn is very confident and aggressive shutting down but the good thing is we know where the space is and he is moving the wrong way to recover. Getting the ball there is the hard part.

I would feed him a couple of plays early and get him shutting down then go to the move to get outside him.

They could do worse than look at how Bellamy kicked to Slater in Origin 1 and copy that. Really make him work with a good kick chase.

I would niggle Crocker, there is something to gain there if done properly.

I would also try to work Lima over he can get lazy. When he gets to marker make him do 3-4 tackles in a row .

Also I would try to get away from the middle of the park when inside the 20m zone and create a bigger open side.

I really think the Storm will win comfortably (barring injury) and nothing the Broncs or any side have done in the last 4 weeks has changed anything.
 
Just play the Storm at their own game - it's that easy.

We have the players - they just need to step up and play for 80 minutes.

The Roosters did it last year.
 
Lets be honest here, Melbourne aren't that good, They've just been absoultely blessed from the gods with rarely if any injuries to there key players for the past 3 years straight.

Honeslty, I can't remember the last time slater(besides suspension), smith, cronk or for that matter anyone thats important to there team been out for a extended period as in 6 weeks +

We always seem to loose our important players for long periods.

If we weren't crippled in 07 we may of very well went back to back.
 
broncospwn said:
Lets be honest here, Melbourne aren't that good, They've just been absoultely blessed from the gods with rarely if any injuries to there key players for the past 3 years straight.

Honeslty, I can't remember the last time slater(besides suspension), smith, cronk or for that matter anyone thats important to there team been out for a extended period as in 6 weeks +

We always seem to loose our important players for long periods.

If we weren't crippled in 07 we may of very well went back to back.


Melbourne ARE that good - simply because they are well drilled, and want to win.

They have a solid game plan, they stick to it, and then let their X-Factor players loose when opportunities arise.

We are, and I REPEAT - NOT a well drilled side.

We rely too much on our stars to create what a solid game plan should - that's why we crumble when we lose a few of our top players.
 
Yeah, Melbourne's structure is one of the main things that makes them good. Make them angry enough or something, and they'll more than likely lose that structure. Players like Hodges and Ennis will be important for us against them for this reason.
 
rnabokov said:
broncospwn said:
Lets be honest here, Melbourne aren't that good, They've just been absoultely blessed from the gods with rarely if any injuries to there key players for the past 3 years straight.

Honeslty, I can't remember the last time slater(besides suspension), smith, cronk or for that matter anyone thats important to there team been out for a extended period as in 6 weeks +

We always seem to loose our important players for long periods.

If we weren't crippled in 07 we may of very well went back to back.


Melbourne ARE that good - simply because they are well drilled, and want to win.

They have rarely any injuries, If we always had hodges, hunt, lockyer, caroll, hannat, clinton, etc etc always on the field together pretty much for 3 seasons straight we could beat melbourne too.
 

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