RANT This isn’t a ‘sack Kev’ thread...but...should we be thinking about it?

Wolfie

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He was handed a side that just produced historically one of the worst seasons in modern history, then we removed even more of the experienced players and did absolutely nothing at all to replace them with anything resembling a decent purchase. Bird, Macca, Fifita replaced by John Asiata and Dale Copley.

Forgive me if I don’t pass any judgement on him at all, because frankly I doubt even Bellamy could turn this utter shambles around in anything less than half a season.

Walters unfortunately won’t have a chance to be properly judged as a Coach until at the very earliest, 2022, and that’s again only if we can do anything at all in the player market to get him so better quality cattle and sort out the mess that is our salary cap.

Judgement for this mess belongs with Seibold, Paul White, Nolan and the people on the Board who took so long to act decisively in sacking the old Coach, then dragging it out so long before appointing Kevvie, then allowing us to sit on our hands for so long doing absolutely nothing in the player market to turn this disgrace around. Walters is just the poor sap left holding the baby now the music has stopped.

I'd like to see some improvement in structure, set plays and a gameplan even if we arent winning.
 

kooly87

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Cant believe people think this mess we are in is down to Bennett because he signed a a player who didnt come off in Bird. Boyd was fine and a really good signing until his body fell apart. It was Seibold who persisted with him, not Wayne. The only problem was his agent was smarter than Paul White in contract negotiations and got him 2 years too many. Bird was another good player who nobody would have had a real issue with if he wasnt made of twigs.

I dont think Wayne would have got us a premiership, but there is no way in hell he would have been so stupid as to just throw a load of promising kids in and hope they did the job. This whole mess is squarley on the shoulder of the board for how they got rid of Wayne and Seibold for wanting to wipe every trace of Bennett out of the club and deciding a team full of youth would propel us forward.
Exactly. We’d stopped going forward under Bennett, that’s almost certainly true, but it’s certainly showing now that he was about the only thing left stopping us going into utter free fall backwards.
 

kooly87

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I think you are missing the point of the post tbh mate.
You can't blow roses up Bennetts arse and give him all the credit for being successful with ( in some cases other peoples) squads then none of the blame when things go wrong is all that's being pointed out.
You live and die by the outcome of your decisions.
Bird is in no way Bennett’s fault. Injuries are what they are and even Seibold can’t be blamed for those. Some due diligence before he turned up here already injured might have been smart, but that’s hardly Bennett’s responsibility to put him through a medical.

Boyd’s contract was a trainwreck, but it’s also fair to say that when Bennett made that commitment he obviously saw himself still Coaching here for the entirety of that contract and he obviously felt he could get out of Boyd what he needed for that period of time, which is probably a fair call to trust him on given how well he and Boyd have worked together for almost 15 years as player and Coach.

It was obviously a disaster in the end, but you do have to wonder if Bennett couldn’t have either turned Boyd around in that way that Bennett so regularly does with older players, or alternatively perhaps when it wasn’t getting better he could have persuaded him to call it quits much earlier on in the piece. Bennett was perhaps the only man who could, and similarly when Boyd dug his heels in Bennett basically encouraged him to do so too given he knows better than anyone how little the Broncos care for loyalty after we shafted him and also shafted Boyd the first time he left us.
 

Wolfie

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I think you are missing the point of the post tbh mate.
You can't blow roses up Bennetts arse and give him all the credit for being successful with ( in some cases other peoples) squads then none of the blame when things go wrong is all that's being pointed out.
You live and die by the outcome of your decisions.

How is any of this Bennetts fault whats going on now? He isnt the one that manages the cap. He isnt the one who decided it would be a smart idea to throw a bunch of young players to the wolves. You go on about Bird, but at the time we signed him, he was a good player. If he stayed fit, he would have been a good player for the Broncos. That one is just unfortunate. I'm not doubting Milf and Boyd for example got contracts that were too good, but at the same time, he doesnt negotiate contracts anymore. We were probably a victim with Milf of every other half decent half at the time getting close to a million a year, and Milf was still playing good footy. Boyds contract was bang on value wise, it wasnt bang on with giving him more than 2 year.

People have an axe to grind with Bennett and i doubt if you have one you will ever change your mind. All i know is one of the greatest coaches in the game simply wouldnt have let this team fall into the state it has.
 

tommy

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How is any of this Bennetts fault whats going on now? He isnt the one that manages the cap. He isnt the one who decided it would be a smart idea to throw a bunch of young players to the wolves. You go on about Bird, but at the time we signed him, he was a good player. If he stayed fit, he would have been a good player for the Broncos. That one is just unfortunate. I'm not doubting Milf and Boyd for example got contracts that were too good, but at the same time, he doesnt negotiate contracts anymore. We were probably a victim with Milf of every other half decent half at the time getting close to a million a year, and Milf was still playing good footy. Boyds contract was bang on value wise, it wasnt bang on with giving him more than 2 year.

People have an axe to grind with Bennett and i doubt if you have one you will ever change your mind. All i know is one of the greatest coaches in the game simply wouldnt have let this team fall into the state it has.
Nobody is throwing complete blame on Bennett. But this bullshit sure as **** started when he was here, along with that board and ceo.
 

Dexter

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How is any of this Bennetts fault whats going on now? He isnt the one that manages the cap. He isnt the one who decided it would be a smart idea to throw a bunch of young players to the wolves. You go on about Bird, but at the time we signed him, he was a good player. If he stayed fit, he would have been a good player for the Broncos. That one is just unfortunate. I'm not doubting Milf and Boyd for example got contracts that were too good, but at the same time, he doesnt negotiate contracts anymore. We were probably a victim with Milf of every other half decent half at the time getting close to a million a year, and Milf was still playing good footy. Boyds contract was bang on value wise, it wasnt bang on with giving him more than 2 year.

People have an axe to grind with Bennett and i doubt if you have one you will ever change your mind. All i know is one of the greatest coaches in the game simply wouldnt have let this team fall into the state it has.
Nah mate . I'm a massive Bennett fan but like I said MY point was you can't give a guy all the credit when things go right then none of the responsibility for decisions made that for whatever reason turn to shit like some posters like to do.
 

Dexter

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Bird is in no way Bennett’s fault. Injuries are what they are and even Seibold can’t be blamed for those. Some due diligence before he turned up here already injured might have been smart, but that’s hardly Bennett’s responsibility to put him through a medical.

Boyd’s contract was a trainwreck, but it’s also fair to say that when Bennett made that commitment he obviously saw himself still Coaching here for the entirety of that contract and he obviously felt he could get out of Boyd what he needed for that period of time, which is probably a fair call to trust him on given how well he and Boyd have worked together for almost 15 years as player and Coach.

It was obviously a disaster in the end, but you do have to wonder if Bennett couldn’t have either turned Boyd around in that way that Bennett so regularly does with older players, or alternatively perhaps when it wasn’t getting better he could have persuaded him to call it quits much earlier on in the piece. Bennett was perhaps the only man who could, and similarly when Boyd dug his heels in Bennett basically encouraged him to do so too given he knows better than anyone how little the Broncos care for loyalty after we shafted him and also shafted Boyd the first time he left us.
Wow that is some revisionist bullshit right there.
I will leave it there too if that's ok but there is a huge WB thread with all the info in it if you want to look.
 

Wolfie

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Nobody is throwing complete blame on Bennett. But this bullshit sure as **** started when he was here, along with that board and ceo.

I dont disagree. I think Bennett was the least of our issues though. The problem was always we lost our way at the very top. Bennett probably held a lot of things together. He leaves and the problems escalate.
 

Wolfie

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Nah mate . I'm a massive Bennett fan but like I said MY point was you can't give a guy all the credit when things go right then none of the responsibility for decisions made that for whatever reason turn to shit like some posters like to do.

I just dont see how our current mess is down to Wayne. Thats not saying he hasnt got anything wrong, he clearly did at times. We are in a mess now because of how the board terminated Bennett, then bought in a coach who just couldnt handle the pressure. It defies belief to me how anyone with even the slightest bit of knowledge about how a footy club works could get rid of a coach the players loved in the way they did, then gave his successor free reign to play so many unproven players and try to wipe the former coaches existence from the club.

Bennett isnt perfect, but there are two roles he just gets. The Queensland one, as we saw last year, and the Broncos.
 

Dexter

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I just dont see how our current mess is down to Wayne. Thats not saying he hasnt got anything wrong, he clearly did at times. We are in a mess now because of how the board terminated Bennett, then bought in a coach who just couldnt handle the pressure. It defies belief to me how anyone with even the slightest bit of knowledge about how a footy club works could get rid of a coach the players loved in the way they did, then gave his successor free reign to play so many unproven players and try to wipe the former coaches existence from the club.

Bennett isnt perfect, but there are two roles he just gets. The Queensland one, as we saw last year, and the Broncos.
I hope he comes back to help Kev because he needs it. I know for a fact kev is hands on trying to keep certain players when he should be concentrating purely on coaching.
 

Sproj

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I hope he comes back to help Kev because he needs it. I know for a fact kev is hands on trying to keep certain players when he should be concentrating purely on coaching.

It is sad cos he would not be getting any help from management, only hinderance and the one guy who can make a difference is not allowed to start for a month.
 

Jason Simmons

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I'd like to see some improvement in structure, set plays and a gameplan even if we arent winning.
This. Who cares if we haven’t got Bennett. Neither have 14 other clubs in the NRL...

That doesn’t account for why we can’t organise our team, play with a decent structure in defence and attack and actually look like competent, professional footballers...
 

lynx000

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Cant believe people think this mess we are in is down to Bennett because he signed a a player who didnt come off in Bird. Boyd was fine and a really good signing until his body fell apart. It was Seibold who persisted with him, not Wayne. The only problem was his agent was smarter than Paul White in contract negotiations and got him 2 years too many. Bird was another good player who nobody would have had a real issue with if he wasnt made of twigs.

I dont think Wayne would have got us a premiership, but there is no way in hell he would have been so stupid as to just throw a load of promising kids in and hope they did the job. This whole mess is squarley on the shoulder of the board for how they got rid of Wayne and Seibold for wanting to wipe every trace of Bennett out of the club and deciding a team full of youth would propel us forward.
And the thing that shits me to tears, is they talk about accountability for the playing staff and coaching team, but there has been zero accountability shown by club management, the board, those responsible for recruiting. Any other listed corporation that has fucked up in the manner we have, you better believe there would be blood spilt.
 

Jason Simmons

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And the thing that shits me to tears, is they talk about accountability for the playing staff and coaching team, but there has been zero accountability shown by club management, the board, those responsible for recruiting. Any other listed corporation that has fucked up in the manner we have, you better believe there would be blood spilt.
Jobs for the boys is strong in that organisation...
 

rnabokov

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This. Who cares if we haven’t got Bennett. Neither have 14 other clubs in the NRL...

That doesn’t account for why we can’t organise our team, play with a decent structure in defence and attack and actually look like competent, professional footballers...

Maybe part of the problem is that Walters underestimated just how low the footie IQ is in our team, either from understandably, youth and inexperience, or in a few cases, just plain stupidity. Maybe Kevvie is having trouble getting his message across. Something has to explain the problems this team is having with the very basics of winning football under the new rules.

Not having a genuine leader doesn't help either.
 

broncos4life

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And the thing that shits me to tears, is they talk about accountability for the playing staff and coaching team, but there has been zero accountability shown by club management, the board, those responsible for recruiting. Any other listed corporation that has fucked up in the manner we have, you better believe there would be blood spilt.
Why would there be accountability? The board are doing exactly what the owners have asked them to do.
 

abashii

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Nobody is throwing complete blame on Bennett. But this bullshit sure as **** started when he was here, along with that board and ceo.
It's hard to say from the outside. Nobody is perfect in hindsight but ol' Benny might have been the only thing keeping us from going down this road earlier. When SBW came back to league years ago we were interested in signing him, his manager (Khoder Nasser iirc) replied he wouldn't even send him up here for a tour because no way would he send Sonny-Bill to a "club on the slide."

Maybe the issues have been around since well before 2018, and Bennett was the wall holding us back from hitting rock bottom.
 

theshed

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It's hard to say from the outside. Nobody is perfect in hindsight but ol' Benny might have been the only thing keeping us from going down this road earlier. When SBW came back to league years ago we were interested in signing him, his manager (Khoder Nasser iirc) replied he wouldn't even send him up here for a tour because no way would he send Sonny-Bill to a "club on the slide."

Maybe the issues have been around since well before 2018, and Bennett was the wall holding us back from hitting rock bottom.
Milford and Oates are really perplexing for mine. Both were absolutely top shelf on their day and fairly good as a baseline before Pies came in and burned the Broncos. What happened that just absolutely shredded them, is it confidence or something else?

Well, Sonny Bill came back in ‘13 and ‘20. I’m not sure which year your story is from but broncos had come 8th the year after Lockyer retired and weren’t looking good at all in 2012 and in 2019/2020 we were Seibold broncos. So the club was absolutely on the slide at these times.
 

abashii

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Well, Sonny Bill came back in ‘13 and ‘20. I’m not sure which year your story is from but broncos had come 8th the year after Lockyer retired and weren’t looking good at all in 2012 and in 2019/2020 we were Seibold broncos. So the club was absolutely on the slide at these times.
This is the 2013 one I'm talking about. I suspect the agents all talk about which clubs are paying what to who, perhaps even back then it was known behind the scenes that we were losing momentum and paying the wrong amounts to the wrong players.

God I can't wait for the new CEO to come on board.
 

theshed

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This is the 2013 one I'm talking about. I suspect the agents all talk about which clubs are paying what to who, perhaps even back then it was known behind the scenes that we were losing momentum and paying the wrong amounts to the wrong players.

God I can't wait for the new CEO to come on board.

I’m not sure, I think we missed the finals for the first time ever in ‘10 and Locky retired after ‘11. Pretty obviously on the slide.


What I really think though is that Sonny was going to the biggest offer and roosters were a forgone conclusion.

I agree about Donaghy though.
 

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