Where to From Here? Let's Plan for 2021

Allo

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It all needs to be in balance.

Players need to perform.

Coach needs to have the balls to drop players if they don't

Office needs to stay in their place so the coach can do what he needs to without feeling like he'll lose his job (within reason of course). Particularly if there's any notion or feeling of 'this bloke's on 600k, we need to have him playing' that clouds the coach's judgement.
 
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JAHHW

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The reason you can't do it with football is that so much of football is not stats driven. If you had a player in your team like Steve Renouf- he might only touch the ball three times a game, he never ran from dummy half and did bugger all passing. But he scored three tries and only had to run a total of 35m to do it.

Are you going to dock him pay?

Then you have guys worrying about it on the field, I need five more tackles, I will just flop here and there and get my stats up. Halves I need to kick on the third this set so my kick meters are up.

It would cause diversion in teams, if I am taking the first hit up the hardest one and struggling to make 8m for my side and you come along on the fourth tackle on the back of momentum and make 15m why should you get paid more than me?

Football isn't like selling houses, if you sell 20 houses you've done better than the guy that sold 12. Football has all these little not black and white things.
As I said, I agree that KPI’s in certain areas of any workplace are absolutely useless.

But I also refuse to believe you can’t measure certain areas of a rugby league players performance against metrics. If they continue to fall short of them, you then have the capacity to do something about it.

Of course, some players will respond better than others. But that’s just the world.

But as an example, if you’re missing 10 or so tackles every week, that’s incredibly easy to measure. Certain players (Maloney is a great example) never improve in this area.

Perhaps if he got some form of other consequence for it, he would work harder on improving his defence. Perhaps not.

As you say, rugby league is not black and white. But equally, to dismiss the notion of KPI’s in rugby league completely is looking through a very black and white lens.
 

Marty Deutschmann

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KPI argument is so dumb.

This isn't supercoach

You'll have players like Boyd going in to take his mandated 4 runs from dummy half per game, getting in the way of the actual creative players, having absolutely no net positive effect on the set of 6.

It is just so full of holes in practice
 
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Gaz

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KPI argument is so dumb.

This isn't supercoach

You'll have players like Boyd going in to take his mandated 4 runs from dummy half per game, getting in the way of the actual creative players, having absolutely no net positive effect on the set of 6.

It is just so full of holes in practice
It’s a team sport and in the old days players were paid according to if they win lose or draw. Acknowledge the game was not professional then and so most had jobs. Now I’m not for a moment suggesting that, or anything like it could possibly be used these days but If a KPI system were to be implemented perhaps it also should be team based. Used as a bonus/ incentive system with for and against, position on ladder, top four, top eight etc used as well. Anyway just a thought.
 

Marty Deutschmann

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It’s a team sport and in the old days players were paid according to if they win lose or draw. Acknowledge the game was not professional then and so most had jobs. Now I’m not for a moment suggesting that, or anything like it could possibly be used these days but If a KPI system were to be implemented perhaps it also should be team based. Used as a bonus/ incentive system with for and against, position on ladder, top four, top eight etc used as well. Anyway just a thought.
It breeds a culture of self interest and dilutes all formulas for team dynamics.

You cannot grade toughness and effectiveness on game results, effort etc. That's all subjective. You want players focusing on winning together, not achieving individual stats. It is the complete opposite of what this club needs
 

Gaz

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It breeds a culture of self interest and dilutes all formulas for team dynamics.

You cannot grade toughness and effectiveness on game results, effort etc. That's all subjective. You want players focusing on winning together, not achieving individual stats. It is the complete opposite of what this club needs
You want players focusing on winning together, not achieving individual stats.
Thought that’s what I said.
 
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Stu_9

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Put a time frame on the contracts offered to Dearden, Coates and Staggs. Happy for the club to offer decent $ for all players as I believe they are the core of this future moving forward but I refuse for the club be Fifita’d again.
Offer them market value +50k and I think that’s reasonable.
 

Allo

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What’s with all these second year players wanting 500k or more?

I'm all for making hay, but it's getting ridiculous.

There'll be a tipping point soon where players will have to start accepting 'unders' to be able to be signed to anyone.
 

The Fisherman

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Unless its capewell or b smith, hold the dollars in the bank. The squad has enough there with a good coach to make the 8. End of this season Milfs contract is up to free more room.

Staggs if he stays and plays well, will be due for a an upgrade. Oates is off contract end of next season. Brimson is available from Tits. Paps from Storm.
I agree with this, lets see what Kev can get out of the squad we have for 2021and then decide who he keeps and who he fucks off, if we end up with a good base squad of players committed players to the Broncos jersey during 2021, we can start putting some bling on from 2022 and beyond, Kev can't do this overnight, I just hope the board give him the support he will need and back up the hard decisions he makes on players, Walters has a laid back and somewhat emotional demeanour but he ain't no soft **** I don't reckon
 

The Fisherman

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don't really have an answer for that one.

but i'm sure between the coaching staff and players management, they could come up with some acceptable measurable KPI's that show Allen is worth the extra money.
I reckon the first KPI would be " Try your guts out every time you pull the jersey on or **** off" second could be " Stay out or trouble and don't get pissed in public" anyone else?
 

The Fisherman

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Yeah. No mullets
Ok looks like the KPI list is coming together nicely, and although they are relevant to each member of our squad and individual performance based, by players living up to them, we are building team harmony, culture, and winning together.
1. Try your guts out every time you pull on the Broncos jersey
2. Don't get pissed in public and make a prick of yourself, you are a Bronco
3. No mullets
4. Stay of Tinder
Come on everyone we need more, probably 5 is the ideal number, we are dealing with rugby league players not Phd students, but remember "building team harmony, culture, and winning together" are the prerequisites for a KPI, the above KPI's may not even end up on the list, I will personally deliver the final list to Kevin Walters no problems, he will put it up on the wall in the excellence centre, you know the place that Seibold desecrated when he took over from Wayne.
 

theshed

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Ok looks like the KPI list is coming together nicely, and although they are relevant to each member of our squad and individual performance based, by players living up to them, we are building team harmony, culture, and winning together.
1. Try your guts out every time you pull on the Broncos jersey
2. Don't get pissed in public and make a prick of yourself, you are a Bronco
3. No mullets
4. Stay of Tinder
Come on everyone we need more, probably 5 is the ideal number, we are dealing with rugby league players not Phd students, but remember "building team harmony, culture, and winning together" are the prerequisites for a KPI, the above KPI's may not even end up on the list, I will personally deliver the final list to Kevin Walters no problems, he will put it up on the wall in the excellence centre, you know the place that Seibold desecrated when he took over from Wayne.
I get this is in good fun but how do you quantify “trying your guts out”. Sorry mate, you only tried 86.5% or your guts out and we need at least a 90+ for you to meet your KPI.

There’s already a code of conduct in place so we don’t need the ‘don’t make a prick of yourself” KPI but again how do you quantify being a prick? Is it okay to be a prick if your pissed in private or to be a prick in public as long you’re sober?

Stay off Tinder? Why? What does that have to do with playing ability.

Mullets are back in fashion and accepted at most work places.
 

Twbapony

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I'm all for making hay, but it's getting ridiculous.

There'll be a tipping point soon where players will have to start accepting 'unders' to be able to be signed to anyone.
This is where capitalism and basic economics comes into play, if your "worth" more than what is being offered, what is your true value? Go into the market place with a price, get the best for that money, and if they turn out to be worth more, give it to them. If not, Cut NFL style.
 

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