World Politics

Discussion in 'General Talk' started by Porthoz, Oct 10, 2016.

    Dunno what you're hoping to achieve, it's the off-season and this is the General Discussion sub-forum, debates & arguments like these are more relevant than anything Rugby League related right now, I'm sure once the pre-season gets underway it'll shift back towards the norm.
     
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  1. I'm sorry, I don't have shit?

    My post is about Trump's so called achievements, which should really be named failures. Some of it may not have been addressed by you, but I definitely addressed everything you asserted.
    I reiterate it's based on fact from official sources which are absolutely undisputed, and contradict everything you said about Trump, including the fallacies on Obamacare or Immigration, Trump's influence on petrol prices, Saudi Arabia, China, sanctions against North Korea, etc...

    You say your information comes from "national news" on TV, and yet, they reflect exactly the unsubstantiated "alternative facts" spread by the likes of Fox and Friends, Breitbart (well, not anymore now that Bannon and Trump are backstabbing each other), and other Trump aligned religious conservative/alt-right news sources.
    It's definitely not what is broadcast on the normal national news programs, be it on ABC, SBS, Seven, Nine, Ten, Sky, CNN (yeah, I know... fake news), etc...
     
  2. holdzy89

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    Pointless - Lets move on
     
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    I admit I do have a low bullshit tolerance when it comes to these matters, which are not trivial, unlike most of the discussions here, especially in the off season...

    Pot, kettle, black...

    Of course these are polarising topics, but why does it upset you so much that people debate Trump, religion, politics, etc... that you think you need to call for peace? You don't have to read or participate in this or any other thread (or echo chamber as you call it) in general discussion.
    People's entitlement to voicing opinions also exposes them to rebuttal, which is what happens in discussion forums, no matter the topic. A forum debate is not a war, even if things can get heated sometimes, and this would be a seriously boring place if all we did was agree and pat each other on the back.

    I have the greatest disagreements with @Morkel@Morkel on a number of things, but that won't stop me from eating the BBQ'd food off his table, going with him to the footy, or buy him a beer at the pub. And even though it is highly unlikely I would become the best of friend with you, roo-ted or captain hook, I would definitely also watch the footy together and buy you a beer.

    P.S. What BHQ is, was, or will become is not a discussion for this thread.
     
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  3. That invitation always has been and always will be open to all. Come along some time.....you might find your perception of some is completely different from the reality.
     
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  4. Cult3

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    I am trying to turn over a new leaf. Trying to gain that respect back from people so people respond to me again, or so people don't just repeat what I said a few hours earlier and get a bunch of responses and likes.

    Does it make you feel smart to repeat the same shit some reporter from CNN says over and over and over again? Only to insult anyone who says anything that's ever appeared on Fox or Breitbart as though it isn't as legitimate as where you get your news?

    Honestly, has your debate technique ever swayed someone else's opinion? The problem is that this debate is happening on every single platform. Your opinions and my opinions are nothing new. We are adding absolutely nothing to the website by debating it. You know full well that anyone that sides with Trump is seen by a lot of people on here as racist, sexist, bigots. Thats something that makes people dislike each other.

    If other people were involved in these debates someone would have told them to put their **** away and move on. The debate has gone around in circles. I'm just saying that like the religion thread, maybe this thread should have a break. Until there's something worthwhile to say about it.
     
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  5. broncos4life

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    Cmon mate, your comment was ignored because there is no war so no need for peace. We are having a discussion. This is one thread amongst hundreds, why don’t you just avoid it?
     
  6. broncos4life

    broncos4life International Rep

    Yep, Port is a top bloke. Near impossible to understand, but a top bloke all the same.
     
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  7. He's never bought me a **** beer!
     
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  8. SEVENTEEN former nuclear launch officers have signed an open letter calling for President Trump’s access to the “proverbial red button” be restricted amid fears his “petulant mood swings” could lead to a nuclear strike.

    It follows a similar letter calling for restrictions on the nuclear chain of command written while Trump was on the campaign trail. One year into the presidency, the nuclear officers say “the reality of this presidency is worse than we feared.”

    “The president has had ample opportunity to educate and humble himself to the grave responsibilities of his office. Instead, he consistently shows himself to be easily baited, stubborn in his ignorance of world politics and diplomacy, and quick to brandish nuclear threats,” the group states.

    They claim rising rhetoric against North Korea highlights the clear flaw in the process that could endanger millions around the world — that there are no checks on the President should he decide to order a nuclear strike.

    “As former nuclear launch control officers, it was our job to fire nuclear missiles if the president so directed. Once the president orders a launch, we could have missiles leaving their silos in several minutes. They cannot be recalled.

    “The missiles would reach their destination — whether Russia, China or North Korea — within 30 minutes. There is no act of greater consequence, and it should not rest in the hands of any one person.”

    “We and our nation cannot abide being hostages to the mood swings of a petulant and foolish commander-in-chief. No individual, especially Donald Trump, should hold the absolute power to destroy nations. That is a clear lesson of this presidency and one that we, as former stewards of the launch keys, embrace with full conviction,” the group said.

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    President Trump has previously promised “fire and fury” against North Korea. Picture: AFP PHOTO / SAUL LOEBSource:AFP

    It comes following a warning from UK think tank Chatham House that an “unintended” nuclear strike is possible given heightened tensions and the vulnerability of many systems to cyber attack.

    The International Security Department’s Dr Patricia Lewis and Dr Beyza Unal published the paper, Cybersecurity Of Nuclear Weapons Systems, which said the nine countries that have nuclear weapons often rely on strategic systems developed at a time when computers were “in their infancy”.

    MORE: Who has what? The world’s nuclear arsenal

    “The most severe consequence of a cyber attack on one or more nuclear weapons systems would be the inadvertent launch of missiles and/or the inadvertent detonation of a warhead that lead to a significant loss of life,” it said.

    “Further consequences of such a cyber attack include sector-level impacts, such as in the medical sector, which may have to deal with casualties; disruption of workforces and operations of defence companies or vendors; as well as economic and reputational costs to countries and private companies. Such an event would also increase the likelihood of crisis and conflict.”

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    The US and Russia’s nuclear weapon systems were developed during the Cold War and could be vulnerable to cyber hacks in the digital age. Picture: AFP/SPUTNIK/Mikhail KlimentyevSource:AFP

    The report notes a mind-boggling number of ways cyber attackers could infiltrate a nuclear weapons system without a country being aware of it for years or until it’s too late.

    The result could lead to confusion as countries try to ascertain whether they have been subject to a cyber attack or not, how to respond and which weapons to use. The authors claim it could lead to “inadvertent nuclear launches” based on an “unwitting reliance” on false information.

    Making the problem worse is the sheer scale of digital infrastructure used to control everything from layouts of facilities to personnel, operational information, communication links, and weather and target information. Data hacks could be used to disrupt missiles once launched and take over nuclear armed submarines, the report claimed.

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    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is on a quest to attach a nuclear warhead to an intercontinental ballistic missile. Picture: KCNA/KNS via APSource:AP

    It comes during a state of heightened nuclear tension following heated rhetoric between the US and North Korea as well as greater Russian military activity and a build-up of NATO forces in Eastern Europe.

    Trump supporters claim his refusal to rule out military options has helped achive an about face from North Korea, who is now engaged in a dialogue with the South and is subject to tough UN economic.

    However veteran nuclear launch officer, Dr. Bruce Blair, who founded Global Zero to eliminate nuclear weapons said he could no longer watch as President Trump “holds us all hostage to his petulant mood swings.”

    “Our weapons have the power to destroy entire nations, including our own nation if he initiates a nuclear war. As a former steward of the nuclear launch keys, I’ve learned about the stability, competence and temperament it takes to hold such a responsibility, and Donald Trump has shown us all he possesses none of those qualities,” he said.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe...h/news-story/31e82d4451a4d398a7fce3b7e785dbde
     
  9. Tom

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    All very good points but KJU is on another level imo. Unlike Pakistan,I honestly wouldn't put it past him using his nukes on a whim, especially against South Korea.
     
  10. You don't drink thickshit.
     
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    A clear lie according to this article

    If you ignore the heading(they know a negative headline about him will sell) it's actually a pretty informative read.

    https://www.vox.com/world/2017/11/17/16656856/trump-congress-nuclear-weapons-war
     
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  13. Had beers with him at the last game? :notsureifserious:
     
  14. ......so you lied to me? So disillusioned right now.....
     
  15. I have to disagree with that.

    I was one of those newbies once and I felt very welcome when I attended the first GF day. Morkel is a good host and he makes you feel welcome. I met more members at the second GF day and they were all welcoming, as well.

    I've never gone to games with them but I have been invited to go and say hello a couple of times. If you get an offer to go to games with them or attend a GF day then you should take it. You'll be surprised.
     
  16. holdzy89

    holdzy89 NRL Captain

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    Could anyone see Obama calling another country a shit hole? Even for the Trump fans here, is this really behaviour becoming of a president/world leader?

    Or is this 'tellin' it like it is?'

    Also captain hook/roo-ted, are you **** with me using likes?? :notsureifserious::skolit:
     
  17. Very glad to read this. I don't normally care who the poster is when I reply, but I will admit I have been cautious when replying to you.

    First of all, I don't parrot anyone. If I want to post something written by someone else, I'll just put in a quote and link the article.
    What I write are my opinions, based on as much as possible factual information, especially when it comes to topics like these.

    The reason I repeat myself, is because people misinterpret or blatantly ignore what I write. That is something I won't stand for, like this case where you say I'm repeating shit from CNN, when I made my sources quite clear. I don't think I've even quoted them once... ever!
    The Congressional Budget Office, Tax Policy Center, are independent Govt institutions, while Reuters or Roll Call are two of the most unbiased news sources out there, which report news factually and without embellishment, and I do make of point of fact checking my sources!

    Seriously though, comparing CNN to Fox or worse... Breitbart, is intellectually dishonest. The former may have biased opinions against Trump, but doesn't make shit up and broadcast it as news on a regular basis, which cannot be said of the latter.

    I don't know how many opinions I've swayed, and I definitely don't expect to sway yours, roo-ted, Alec, Captain Hook or others with a definite conservative point of view. I don't care about coming out on top either, as long as the debate brings out facts and opinions that will inform other people who read the discussion, because that is what a forum is about, not individual dick measuring.

    Trump's actions and words make him a sexist, bigoted, xenophobe. His support base either are one or more of those (not necessarily by malice, but because they don't know any better), or chooses to ignore/downplay those traits for the benefit of their agenda, beliefs or interests. This is clearly evident in the current US Congress and Senate, where the GOP representatives are probably making Lincoln, Washington, Roosevelt or Jefferson turn in their grave.

    You really should stop viewing debates as dick measuring contests... it will most likely help you gain the respect you want to win back, and I say this without any malicious intention!
     
    Lol cliques. We're a bunch of **** nerds on the Internet, it's not like we're gangstas with a brutal induction process before you get to watch the GF at Morkel's place. It's like yo, who wants to come, and a bunch of people say I'm down.

    BTW @Porthoz@Porthoz is actually a pretty cool person, don't get me wrong, I understand nothing he tells me IRL, but it sounds friendly enough.
     
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