POST GAME Round 6 - Raiders vs Broncos

[broncsgoat]

Show me the quote.

You seem to be someone who would be better suited to posting on Facebook.

Look in every pre season thread and also the post game thread for round 2

 

[Morepudding]

Boyd didnt have the history of hamstring injuries we we signed him up, he just had his first one at the time. No evidence at all it would be ongoing like it was. Gillo's contract was just an extension as well IIRC and both contracts would have been in the negotiating stage long before their injuries. Cant quite see the issue with Gillo, he isnt playing poorly.

So with Boyd, he as struggling with the injury for a while before finally going down with it being more serious, a month or so after this he signs for 4 years. I don't recall seeing many people that are 30 get 4 year deals, even if they are at peak fitness.

With Gillett, yeah it was an upgraded extension. He was signed until the end of this year, but they extended it until the end of 2021 I believe. Again, this was announced 1-2 months after he was ruled out with his neck injury. Again, why extend someone so early, especially when they have a serious injury. In Gilletts defence, he hasn't been bad, but has he been worth 700kish? I'd say no.

I'm not questioning the decision to sign or renew. Im questioning the amount of time, and in Boyd's case, the price. Because he also wasn't playing very well before he was signed. Like it's just not smart business and ruins the clubs chances of success for a long time now.

 

[Battler]

Boyd didnt have the history of hamstring injuries we we signed him up, he just had his first one at the time. No evidence at all it would be ongoing like it was. Gillo's contract was just an extension as well IIRC and both contracts would have been in the negotiating stage long before their injuries. Cant quite see the issue with Gillo, he isnt playing poorly.

There's still risks around signing 30+ year olds long term. This isn't baseball or cricket where you can play through injury or deal with it, once these little injuries accumulate at that age some blokes can't recover and either play as a shadow of their former selves or retire. Boyd has had an achilles tear in the past so he wasn't exactly a Cam Smith type player who has been relatively injury free his entire career.

 

[Huge]

Not sure why Darrius never made a play to keep the ball in instead of pushing it out in the first half. If he caught it he had a chance of staying in. If he was pushed it it would have been the same result, but he just showed no heart or urgency to have a go. From that set they scored and then scored again 90 seconds later.

It was absolutely Milford's fault. He was going in touch anyway. Smart play. Not Boyd's fault in any way.

 

[Wolfie]

So with Boyd, he as struggling with the injury for a while before finally going down with it being more serious, a month or so after this he signs for 4 years. I don't recall seeing many people that are 30 get 4 year deals, even if they are at peak fitness.

With Gillett, yeah it was an upgraded extension. He was signed until the end of this year, but they extended it until the end of 2021 I believe. Again, this was announced 1-2 months after he was ruled out with his neck injury. Again, why extend someone so early, especially when they have a serious injury. In Gilletts defence, he hasn't been bad, but has he been worth 700kish? I'd say no.

I'm not questioning the decision to sign or renew. Im questioning the amount of time, and in Boyd's case, the price. Because he also wasn't playing very well before he was signed. Like it's just not smart business and ruins the clubs chances of success for a long time now.

Boyd Wasnt struggling with injuries. He had a hamstring injury at the end of the year and we pushed him through it because we were in the finals. ITs not like his career has been littered with injuries. Nobody would have predicted how it turned out for him. The value of his contract was fair market value for a player like him as well. The length of the contract i thought was odd at the time.

As i said though, their contracts would have been in the negotiation stage way before they got injured.

 

[Morepudding]

There's still risks around signing 30+ year olds long term. This isn't baseball or cricket where you can play through injury or deal with it, once these little injuries accumulate at that age some blokes can't recover and either play as a shadow of their former selves or retire. Boyd has had an achilles tear in the past so he wasn't exactly a Cam Smith type player who has been relatively injury free his entire career.

He is also playing in a position that relies on your legs working, being fit and being able to run a lot. These are all things Boyd hasn't done for the past 2 years.

 

[Wolfie]

There's still risks around signing 30+ year olds long term. This isn't baseball or cricket where you can play through injury or deal with it, once these little injuries accumulate at that age some blokes can't recover and either play as a shadow of their former selves or retire. Boyd has had an achilles tear in the past so he wasn't exactly a Cam Smith type player who has been relatively injury free his entire career.

I think his achillies was the only major injury he ever had. His hamstring is an odd one. Make me wonder why we didnt pull him out of the firing line in 2018

 

[Morepudding]

Boyd Wasnt struggling with injuries. He had a hamstring injury at the end of the year and we pushed him through it because we were in the finals. ITs not like his career has been littered with injuries. Nobody would have predicted how it turned out for him. The value of his contract was fair market value for a player like him as well. The length of the contract i thought was odd at the time.

As i said though, their contracts would have been in the negotiation stage way before they got injured.

Okay, so saying no one could have predicted is a bit ridiculous.

Hodges did his achilies, ever since then he had issues with his hamstring. It's a related injury and is well documented in all sports. So as Boyd had an achilies injury, and then not long after had some hamstring strains (in an interview he said he has hamstring tightness most of the season i believe), signing him for 4 years is just stupid. Especially when literally no other team would have been a threat of taking him. Would Boyd have signed a 1 year deal? yes, a 2 year deal? yes, 3? yes so there was no need for this.

I'm not gonna argue with you, but if you genuinely think signing a 30 year old fullback who has done an achilies and is currently experiencing hamstring issues is a good move then you can't be saved

 

[Skyblues87]

If only someone had the foresight preseason to know seibold was a hack

Just watched the presser and have every confidence in him. He will turn this around. Talks a lot of sense. Also believe he will make the hard calls. Be patient everyone.

 

[Huge]

Soft tries through shithouse tackling and bad refereeing cost us this game.

My initial take on this game is that Isaako needs to be dropped. For mine, he lets in a try a game by coming in off his wing. His poor defensive reads are costing us. Staggs to wing. Maybe I'm wrong but that dodgy 40-20 ought to have been right on Isaako's radar. Wasn't he metres in-field instead of following the flight of the ball - it led to a try.

Bird needs detention - tackling practice, with Haas running at him constantly.

Offa for mine offers very little - prefer Carrigan who should be starting. He really looks the goods as does Haas. First class performance. Also, as someone else posted, Seibold plays too many back rowers.

I thought Macca played a lot better, and also, as someone else posted, Milford needs to chase his own kicks and try a bit of variety instead of those constant bombs.

Anyway, for mine, the side is on the improve, and the refereeing in this game was atrocious as others have pointed out.

Seriously, how did you miss Milford's appalling tackles which directly resulted in tries ? You picked out his failing to chase kicks but it isn't critical, a lot of halfbacks, 5/8s don't.

 

[1910]

Everyone who keeps saying our young halves arent setting the world alight in Qcup etc are missing the point. We won in 2006 with fucking Shane Perry. Mr no one. He just helped control the game so Lockyer could step back and come in for the attacking plays. That's exactly what we need. Mr average that can control the team, kick well and defend alright.

But seriously, its not possible to win games against decent opposition when you don't have a fullback. The only game we won this year was against a team who also don't have a fullback.

Perry had played 151 ISC games and won three premierships with Redcliffe and was 28. Compared to 18, three ISC games and no experience.

 

[broncsgoat]

Just watched the presser and have every confidence in him. He will turn this around. Talks a lot of sense. Also believe he will make the hard calls. Be patient everyone.

That’s great. You probably had every confidence in the pre season hype as well.

 

[peter09]

It was absolutely Milford's fault. He was going in touch anyway. Smart play. Not Boyd's fault in any way.

yes mate boyd is a f----n gun

 

[Wolfie]

Okay, so saying no one could have predicted is a bit ridiculous.

Hodges did his achilies, ever since then he had issues with his hamstring. It's a related injury and is well documented in all sports. So as Boyd had an achilies injury, and then not long after had some hamstring strains (in an interview he said he has hamstring tightness most of the season i believe), signing him for 4 years is just stupid. Especially when literally no other team would have been a threat of taking him. Would Boyd have signed a 1 year deal? yes, a 2 year deal? yes, 3? yes so there was no need for this.

I'm not gonna argue with you, but if you genuinely think signing a 30 year old fullback who has done an achilies and is currently experiencing hamstring issues is a good move then you can't be saved

I dont need saving but i'm fairly convinced you do. The Boyd contract was too long as i said at the time, nothing more.

Hodges, his big issue was the knee ligament injuries he had. First time in that origin game, then he did it again a couple of years later. His achillies injuries ( both of them ) came a fair few years later. A totally different situation to Boyd.

 

[Gaz]

Absolute pathetic that Roberts wasn't given any early ball in that final set. Not once did we even look like shaping up for a set play that involved him. The only time he touched it was when we started trying to keep the ball alive on the final tackle. We are absolutely clueless in attack. All the good teams run their plays at such speed, whereas we look so lethargic and slow in all our movements.

The 'good teams' and their players and coaches have been together for some time.

 

[JOHA]

The young forwards are going really well.

Hass playing massive minutes (don’t agree with it) but still what a motor

Carrigan playing with heart and intent in defence

Fifita and Flegler both digging in.

It’s a pity all the oldies are bog average.

 

[peter09]

Seriously, how did you miss Milford's appalling tackles which directly resulted in tries ? You picked out his failing to chase kicks but it isn't critical, a lot of halfbacks, 5/8s don't.

Yea boyd didnt let any in aye mate

 

[bb_gun]

Look in every pre season thread and also the post game thread for round 2

I believe you you show me, you show me the proof.