Ashley Klein is a corrupt dud

tommy said:
Can’t agree with this. I’ve beaten plenty of addictions.
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Those who have successfully quit, there’s always a risk of the addiction returning, which is called a relapse.
 
Renegade said:
I think you can be critical of how he refs without assuming hes corrupt and betting on games. The people that think the origin call is rubbish is just going to use this as fuel to reaffirm what they already thought.
For the record I thought it was a shit call, but im not making the (il)logical leap that it was borne out of him chasing gambling losses

Like.. maybe hes just a shit ref but let's be honest, does anyone rate any ref? Is every ref corrupt and betting? Who was the last that was unanimously agreed was a great ref and never endured any controversy or scrutiny over their calls?
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You edited your post, that was sneaky.

Like.. maybe hes just a shit ref but let's be honest, does anyone rate any ref? Is every ref corrupt and betting?
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To answer your question before you edited it, yes, this ref is.
 
BroncosFever said:
You edited your post, that was sneaky.

To answer your question before you edited it, yes, this ref is.
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Haha it wasn't a gotcha, I was just adding a bit more to it.
But you didnt answer my question.
 
Renegade said:
I think you can be critical of how he refs without assuming hes corrupt and betting on games. The people that think the origin call is rubbish is just going to use this as fuel to reaffirm what they already thought.
For the record I thought it was a shit call, but im not making the (il)logical leap that it was borne out of him chasing gambling losses

Like.. maybe hes just a shit ref but let's be honest, does anyone rate any ref? Is every ref corrupt and betting?
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There is one. Peter Gough. Yall have an amazing record under him apparently so that means he is RATED.

Thats how it works. But he is corrupt for the Broncos according to other fans. Funny.
 
Kaz said:
Those who have successfully quit, there’s always a risk of the addiction returning, which is called a relapse.
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Not the pokies, that’s for sure. I see right through those stupid things these days.
 
Whether he has influenced games or not, the naive person in this conversation is anyone suggesting the NRL would have looked into it professionally and objectively. They have a terrible record of this kind of thing.

Given the NRL is bankrolled by gambling companies, it is not in their interests to do so.

This is not saying Klein is corrupt or not, it is just a statement of reality. There are also way more ways to stand by him than by letting him continue to ref. They could easily given him a desk job.

Of course some fans are going to read into this what they want and fair enough. This is a very bad look for a very unprofessionally run professional organisation.

Imagine if the public found out that that FIFA knew the lead ref for the world cup was an ex-gambler with a significant debt / loss of money as a result. No one in their right mind would be ok knowing this ref had handled the WC final/finals repeatedly.
 
Addiction is real. Has he just put himself on a list, or has he undergone evidence-based treatments for addiction? Because honestly, if he’s just put himself on a list I’d be questioning whether he’s using other people’s accounts or underground means. And if he’s gambling underground who knows what influence some unsavoury types have over him? Maybe I’m saying 2 + 2 = 5, but the fact that these bows can be drawn and questions asked isn’t a good look for the game.
 
Doubt I’ll ever get back on the ciggies too. Or vapes. Vape was a good stepping stone to quit altogether. Ciggies are just shit these days. 50 bucks or so for a 20 pack. Get forked never buying them again.
 
Sproj said:
Whether he has influenced games or not, the naive person in this conversation is anyone suggesting the NRL would have looked into it professionally and objectively. They have a terrible record of this kind of thing.

Given the NRL is bankrolled by gambling companies, it is not in their interests to do so.

This is not saying Klein is corrupt or not, it is just a statement of reality. There are also way more ways to stand by him than by letting him continue to ref. They could easily given him a desk job.

Of course some fans are going to read into this what they want and fair enough. This is a very bad look for a very unprofessionally run professional organisation.

Imagine if the public found out that that FIFA knew the lead ref for the world cup was an ex-gambler with a significant debt / loss of money as a result. No one in their right mind would be ok knowing this ref had handled the WC final/finals repeatedly.
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What terrible record of betting scandals and punishments do they have?

It is absolutely in their interest to. Betting companies hate being ripped off. That makes no sense. They would throw their sponsorship dollars elsewhere.
 
tommy said:
Not the pokies, that’s for sure. I see right through those stupid things these days.
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That's great, but some do struggle, though they may not 'play' them it will tempting for them.
 
JayPee said:
If he was betting on games and somebody found out they absolutely would care. Its risking their business.
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Like I said, enough to cover their backsides but I doubt they were really that thorough with their investigation.

Innocent until proven guilty, not corrupt just incompetent, yadda yadda yadda I don't think it's smart to let your officials get involved in sports gambling.
 
Sproj said:
This is not saying Klein is corrupt or not, it is just a statement of reality. There are also way more ways to stand by him than by letting him continue to ref. They could easily given him a desk job.
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Do agree with this. They've had plenty of time to slide him out the back door.

Instead they will have to do it with everyone watching now.
 
Kaz said:
That's great, but some do struggle, though they may not 'play' them it will tempting for them.
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All I’m saying “once an addict always an addict” is a bullshit description. We all have vices. Every single one of us, some worse than others doesn’t mean you can’t beat them.
 
I think objectively speaking the best thing the NRL can do is come out and say they've never heard of him before and call any reporter mean or nasty and fake news.
Or maybe just apply the same rules to anyone connected to the nrl that the players have. No bets, no family members placing bets, no connection to anyone making bets.
You cant do much about the past but you can get ahead of the future to reduce whatever scrutiny or optics that this has introduced, regardless of which side of the fence you sit on.
 
Big Pete said:
Like I said, enough to cover their backsides but I doubt they were really that thorough with their investigation.

Innocent until proven guilty, not corrupt just incompetent, yadda yadda yadda I don't think it's smart to let your officials get involved in sports gambling.
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I still dont get why they would just do the bare minimum? It is catastrophic to your business model if corruption is found. They have no reason to not take it seriously.
 
tommy said:
All I’m saying “once an addict always an addict” is a bullshit description. We all have vices. Every single one of us, some worse than others doesn’t mean you can’t beat them.
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It's true.

It may not be easy to hear for someone with an addiction but that doesn't make it any less true. You can overcome them, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It will always be there.
 
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