NEWS Badel: Seibold won't send Darius to QLD Cup

[Big Pete]

I’m sorry the only conspiracy is that seibs is being forced to pick Boyd.

From management? Absolutely, but on the face of it I don't think he had the freedom to facilitate the move.

 

[Huge]

I think Seibold has/had respect for Boyd and I believe he could have dropped him if he wanted to. I don't think management had any say or influence. I think Seibold thought it would both further destabilize an already unstable group and alienate many of the team,fans and club itself. My best guess is he will rock the boat this year and Boyd had better have a blinder every week. I doubt he'll see past round ten UNLESS we are winning and in form.

 

[Kooly87]

From management? Absolutely, but on the face of it I don't think he had the freedom to facilitate the move.

Yeah I'm not sure I'd call it a conspiracy either, but there was clearly a reason beyond form alone that must have impacted his decision not to drop Boyd last season.

May well have been a directive from club management, may well have been he felt the playing group overall would respond poorly to such a move. It's not like we're ever going to know for sure.

The overwhelming evidence suggests that Seibold is actually fairly ruthless at cutting under performers and guys he cant use. Except in Boyd's case, which certainly stands out as odd, and to flat out rule out any reason for it besides Coaching incompetence makes very little sense.

 

[Big Pete]

The overwhelming evidence suggests that Seibold is actually fairly ruthless at cutting under performers and guys he cant use. Except in Boyd's case, which certainly stands out as odd, and to flat out rule out any reason for it besides Coaching incompetence makes very little sense.

I don't think it's that difficult to get your head around. The coach moved on five NRL players and could only promote a bunch of ISC players. The cupboard was bare, so to exile the captain wouldn't have solved anything at that point. Seibold would have been doing it for the sake of it more than anything else.

 

[Kooly87]

I don't think it's that difficult to get your head around. The coach moved on five NRL players and could only promote a bunch of ISC players. The cupboard was bare, so to exile the captain wouldn't have solved anything at that point. Seibold would have been doing it for the sake of it more than anything else.

Correct, it's not like we had a Fullback beating down the door for selection. Isaako was in all sorts by mid-season and never really recovered.

Even when he was shifted to 5/8 we were in such an injury crisis that we basically had no alternative but to keep playing him there as well.

 

[broncsgoat]

So these are all other reasons than he was being forced to pick him which is all I’ve been saying.

 

[Sproj]

And on that, if Boyd is picked at centre or wing and is playing well, no one is going to complain about him being in the team. If he is still stinking it up as per the last two seasons, then no one is going to complain about him exiting stage left either.

Regardless, there needs to be a new captain since Boyd is no certainty to see out the season.

 

[broncsgoat]

And on that, if Boyd is picked at centre or wing and is playing well, no one is going to complain about him being in the team. If he is still stinking it up as per the last two seasons, then no one is going to complain about him exiting stage left either.

Regardless, there needs to be a new captain since Boyd is no certainty to see out the season.

On this, I was surprised he was still part of the leadership group. I get he’s experienced etc but if they’re going to make a change, just removing him from that group would have made more sense from a fresh start point of view IMO.

 

[Sproj]

On this, I was surprised he was still part of the leadership group. I get he’s experienced etc but if they’re going to make a change, just removing him from that group would have made more sense from a fresh start point of view IMO.

Yeah it is a valid point but I can see wisdom in it. You don't want to completely ostracise the guy, especially if he is still held in high regard by other team members. In terms of leadership, he still has a lot to offer. It is an awkward situation and I can see wisdom for both sides, keeping him there or not.

 

[Big Pete]

So these are all other reasons than he was being forced to pick him which is all I’ve been saying.

I couldn't understand why you were apologising, unless you felt that his hands weren't tied and there was infact a ready made solution waiting in the ISC.

 

[Morepudding]

Yeah it is a valid point but I can see wisdom in it. You don't want to completely ostracise the guy, especially if he is still held in high regard by other team members. In terms of leadership, he still has a lot to offer. It is an awkward situation and I can see wisdom for both sides, keeping him there or not.

So in modern society, it has been proven that people socialise where 1/3 of the people they consider peers, 1/3 they think are better than them, and 1/3 they think they are better than. With this logic, it gives reason as to why we need someone like Boyd in the team. That bottom 33%.

 

[Purple Pills]

I think a fair and respectable solution to manage the Boyd saga without sacrificing our season is to make him play in all of our pre season trials and use those games to gauge whether there is something still there or whether the fire is well and truly extinguished.

If he has mediocre trial form akin to his 2019 season, you give him 2 games tops and I reckon that’s being generous and at least this allows him to show if he can still cut it with the best without having to sacrifice a third of our season before we decide enough is enough again. The second round would also be a home game which could be a swan song game for him before he just hangs around for depth for 2020 and pull the pin at seasons end.

 

[broncsgoat]

Yeah it is a valid point but I can see wisdom in it. You don't want to completely ostracise the guy, especially if he is still held in high regard by other team members. In terms of leadership, he still has a lot to offer. It is an awkward situation and I can see wisdom for both sides, keeping him there or not.

Yeah I see the merit in both, just think if it was my call I’d have cut the chord so to speak.

 

[Huge]

Yeah I see the merit in both, just think if it was my call I’d have cut the chord so to speak.

A major chord or a minor chord ? I won't ask if it's one of the many variations!

 

[broncsgoat]

A major chord or a minor chord ? I won't ask if it's one of the many variations!

Honestly never knew there was a difference between these words

 

[Kooly87]

Yeah I see the merit in both, just think if it was my call I’d have cut the chord so to speak.

I think it makes perfect sense, especially as it would look even more stupid if we replaced him with Glenn which looks likely and then found ourselves in a situation down the track where Glenn can't make the side either.

This is why a Co-Captain situation makes the most sense. It gives us an out if the guys can't make the side at some point in their tenure without having to have the media pile on a heap more pressure with a mid season Captaincy change. If the Co-Captains included Glenn, Lodge, Boyd, Carrigan or a combination of those guys, it's safe to assume at least some of them will be in the team all year. We could wind up finishing the season with Lodge as Captain without having to go through the huge media circus of naming him outright in the lead up to Round 1.

 

[abashii]

Honestly never knew there was a difference between these words

It's also a thing in geometry, a straight line joining two points on a curve, and has a similar meaning in aero and hydrodynamics.

 

[Foordy]

I'm curious as to why you are so certain this is just a myth when there is already a fair bit of evidence to suggest it may well have some weight?

Kahu & McGuire gone before the season started, Nikorima punted half a dozen games in as soon as we could source a buyer. This off season he's seen Dargan, Mago, Fai, Fensom and Tagatese all let go. He even managed to offload Shibasaki to Newcastle to squeeze in a Halback we desperately needed. In a single season he cut more players than any other Coach at Brisbane I can remember?

Basically the only player who deserved to probably be dropped that really wasn't was Boyd? Granted he played Macca until his injury, but Turpin as our only other dummy Half was hardly banging down the door for selection. We got lucky that he turned up in first grade and stepped up to a level above his Queensland Cup form. Macca then only earned a recall because our injury crisis left him basically no alternative.

It's already been made crystal clear that Macca is behind Turpin for Round 1 this year. So that leaves basically one player left who probably deserved to be dropped that hasn't been yet - our Captin, Darius Boyd.

So even in the face of all that cutting, all that dropping of players, the fact that Boyd as our Captain survived the year he had doesn't in any way suggest to you that there is even a possibility that the Coach was under some external pressure to retain Darius as long as possible?

I don't know for sure if it's true or not. What I do know is that Darius was the sole survivor or a horror season where he was probably our worst offender, and that certainly stands out to me as pretty unusual in light of everyone else that was dropped or released so ruthlessly.

spot on ... although you did forget about Roberts