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Talakai killed it at centre tonight. Put Payne in the centres :P
Broncos Roster, Signings and Rumours Discussion 2022
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Big Pete
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I don't necessarily buy into the idea that you have to have a great spine at all costs. I think you need to have a great team across the paddock and that includes the spine, the forwards and the backs. I look at Penrith and as great as Cleary, Luai and Koroisau are they owe a lot of their success to Yeo, Martin, To'o, Crichton, Burton, Fisher-Harris, Kikau etc. who help run these teams ragged.
There is only one player in the Broncos squad who has earned their reputation and that's Payne Haas. The rest are either still learning the ropes, are in the twilight of their careers or read too much of their own press. Of all the players I'd consider moving on, Haas is the least of them and one of the best moves Ikin made was giving him a pay increase because he well and truly earned it.
There may come a time in 3 years when Haas decides to leave and that would be a shame. However I hope the Broncos simply don't go with a side-ways move and sign the best five eighth on the market. I hope they're actively trying to put together the best team 1-13.
But I do understand the attention to the spine because the 1, 6 and 9 are lacking at the club. At the same time, the wingers and backrow have left something to be desired for the past two years now. That needs to be rectified one way or another.
There is only one player in the Broncos squad who has earned their reputation and that's Payne Haas. The rest are either still learning the ropes, are in the twilight of their careers or read too much of their own press. Of all the players I'd consider moving on, Haas is the least of them and one of the best moves Ikin made was giving him a pay increase because he well and truly earned it.
There may come a time in 3 years when Haas decides to leave and that would be a shame. However I hope the Broncos simply don't go with a side-ways move and sign the best five eighth on the market. I hope they're actively trying to put together the best team 1-13.
But I do understand the attention to the spine because the 1, 6 and 9 are lacking at the club. At the same time, the wingers and backrow have left something to be desired for the past two years now. That needs to be rectified one way or another.
theshed
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It’s not a knock on Haas but our 9 and 1 options are some of, if not the worst in the comp.
Coaching still seems the glaring issue though.
don't know that's what was mentioned, but I think it's stupid if they do .
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I don't know about that mate.....yes you are definitely right it would be a huge mistake IF it is within our control.
But you can't make people do what they don't want to do, and potentially we could be without Haas (at the end of his contract) and not replace him with a top line spine player because there's precious few and they choose to sign elsewhere. That would be a bloody awful situation, but not the club's mistake.
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Hopefully by the end of his contract, if he is still at the Broncs, Mozer is on the way to being a top liner, Ezra is killing it and we have either got Walsh back or Cobbo has become Greg Inglis and Dene Gagai's love child and is ripping it up. Hopefully Reynolds decides he still can play at the top level for another year or two as well.
Harry
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Yeah and while we're fantasising about fairy land, we could have peak 90's Cindy Crawford is our coach so after every win we get to watch her give the press conference.
Wolfie
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Its more for me now about his salary and can we use that to build a better team despite losing our best player. I'd liken it to Liverpool in the Premier league a few years ago. They were a decent side, but lacking something to take them to the next level. They cashed in on Coutinho, their best player at the time and bought in Virgil van Dijk and Alisson which made their team stronger even though they lost their best player. They won the league the following year.
If we are smart about who we recruit we could do something similar. Probably not win the comp, but become a top 4-6 side again and have us challenging.
broncoscope
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As much as I love Haas as a player and what he brings to the Broncos, I wouldn't be paying any more than $800 000-
$850 000 and that could be overs. All the best teams have great spines and that's what we have to aim for.
Bull Shark
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I wonder if there's an opportunity for Broncos management to sit down with Haas and discuss his future contract & salary in light of his desire to be part of successful teams and premierships. As in, how the two can marry up at the Broncos to ensure he's paid an amount he is happy with and reflects his status in the NRL, but also ensures the club is in a position salary cap wise, to put the pieces around him for future success.
I'd love to think conversations like this are possible in 2022, but I fear it might be like that scene in 'Jerry Maguire' where Renee Zellweger reaches for the memo to show Rod Tidwell and Jerry stops her in her tracks.
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Sydney. Very reliable.
Alec
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The whole team is important if you want to win a premiership, but having 2 or even 3 quality players in the spine should always be the main target IMO. They can make other players look better than they actually are and its much harder to find real quality in those positions than anywhere else bar maybe the centres.
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Benny Ikin has spent a huge part of his professional career doing analysis for Fox. His experience in the media should allow him to build/create/manufacture a facade and narrative that has the press looking one way while he and DD set about building a completely different scenario.
We are constantly in the spotlight and every young player coming through is subject to huge financial rewards to leave our club. As a single club making a single offer for one of our players this is not an issue but when you get the whole of the comp trying to cherry pick our up and coming talent our admin team needs to be super vigilant. Otherwise our bones are picked bare.
We can't bar the media from our club so we need to throw them some insignificant bones for their storylines.
Selling the media an alternative narrative is part of that program.
Our club is slowly turning around, our culture is slowly being rebuilt where attitude, behaviour and what it means to be a Bronco is being once again instilled in our team.
Kevvie needs to take a huge chunk of the credit for that. He has steadied the ship , he has even managed to re-orient it it so that it's heading towards success, but I as much as I want him to win a GF for us I don't think he has the technical wherewithal to achieve that.
Like the Panthers young side we desperately need a Ciraldo or a Woolf to complement Kevvie's knack for culture building.
We are constantly in the spotlight and every young player coming through is subject to huge financial rewards to leave our club. As a single club making a single offer for one of our players this is not an issue but when you get the whole of the comp trying to cherry pick our up and coming talent our admin team needs to be super vigilant. Otherwise our bones are picked bare.
We can't bar the media from our club so we need to throw them some insignificant bones for their storylines.
Selling the media an alternative narrative is part of that program.
Our club is slowly turning around, our culture is slowly being rebuilt where attitude, behaviour and what it means to be a Bronco is being once again instilled in our team.
Kevvie needs to take a huge chunk of the credit for that. He has steadied the ship , he has even managed to re-orient it it so that it's heading towards success, but I as much as I want him to win a GF for us I don't think he has the technical wherewithal to achieve that.
Like the Panthers young side we desperately need a Ciraldo or a Woolf to complement Kevvie's knack for culture building.
Sanjit Joseph
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Is there anyway we can get Drinkwater. OHH MYYY he is putting on a show.
Imagine a spine with Drinkwater, TMM and Reno ( add a good 9) i think we could have something there.
TMM play 1 and Drinkwater 6 (or vice versa)
IK Drinkwater has some defensive liabilities but i really like his attacking qualities
Imagine a spine with Drinkwater, TMM and Reno ( add a good 9) i think we could have something there.
TMM play 1 and Drinkwater 6 (or vice versa)
IK Drinkwater has some defensive liabilities but i really like his attacking qualities
Big Pete
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If you were starting from scratch and you could sign anyone you'd obviously go after a Nathan Cleary or Ryan Papenhuyzen but that isn't on offer for the Broncos. You still need to have quality players outside of the spine and one of the few things going for the Broncos is Haas. So if they want to build, they ought to have their cake and eat it as well.
Try to assemble the best 13 they can instead of just signing the best 'spine' players that happen to be available.
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