NEWS Broncos to vax hesitant: here comes the little aeroplane

Couple of days old this story, but nonetheless. Only about 70% of the Broncos have bothered getting their first Covid vaccination. But Ben Ikin assures us he'll be putting a firecracker under their arsecracks shortly. So far, he's already got a commitment from notorious needle-dodger Payne Haas:

“We won’t have a problem. We want everyone fully vaxxed by the time the season starts. There won’t be an issue at the Broncos. Since the Broncos have gone on a break, there was a bit of complacency towards Covid shots because the players were disconnected from the club, but as we edge back closer to training, the communications we’ve had with them have all been positive."

“We have communicated what is potentially coming and what is happening in other sports around the world. We don’t want any issues by the time we get back to football next year so let’s get this done now. It’s been very conciliatory. It’s been about framing-up what is potentially coming our way in our industry and reinforcing to the players where to get the vaccinations done, when to do it and why it’s important."

“There’s been no big stick that has been waved, but our message has been really strong and clear as we get back towards players returning to training.”

“Our numbers in terms of players fully vaccinated are growing and we are heading in exactly the direction we need to be. If I’m being honest, our living conditions for all Queenslanders have made us a bit slower to act because unlike our southern neighbours, we haven’t been living in lockdown."

“From the club’s perspective, we’ve seen what’s happened in other sports around the world and we expect the same thing in some way, shape or form to find its way into the NRL.”

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Donuts says the club can't afford to have their gun players sitting on the sidelines because of some loudmouth bimbo they follow on Instagram:

“I’m expecting all our players and staff to be fully vaxxed by the start of the season. It’s the reality of everything I’m hearing and seeing with government protocols ... it’s going to be very challenging to operate in the NRL industry without vaccination. We have had constant two-way dialogue with our playing group and the medical experts we have on staff."

“Everyone in society has been challenged over the last 18 months and sport and the Broncos are no different. I’ve been very impressed at the level of maturity and the challenges our players and staff have had and their understanding of the Covid situation. They have taken in the education that has been provided around vaccinations."

“I don’t believe we will have any issues.”

McHunt
 
I wanna preface this by saying I'm not anti-vax (double vaxxed no issue with it) but I'm interested in your take on Big Pharmas relationship with the government? Do you trust them? Do you think they're good? And if so, why?

I don't want to get into immunology and antibodies, because I'm not a scientist.
But I also don't trust Big Pharma. The mere fact that they fund the FDA is a big red flag to me.

IF people are sick, big pharma makes money & I think the vaccine roll out on a global level (especially what happened with India) showcases to me, that medications should not be privately owned.

Just want to clarify, I'm not attacking you I just want to hear your opinion, if you think otherwise.

Agreed, vaccines should be mandated at 0% profit
 
I think this is part of a more general capitalism vs socialism argument, and whether certain industries should be privately or publicly operated (or maybe even a combination). If medicines shouldn't be privately owned, should anything in health be? What about education, energy, gaols, the military, etc.?

Over the last 20 years we seem to have gone down the privatise everything path, with government acting as a regulator. Problem is that the political side of government can be lobbied and donated to, which I don't think helps.

I know from personal experience with government review boards that they are generally well governed. But that does not mean there is potential for 'corrupt actions'.
 
Agreed, vaccines should be mandated at 0% profit
Astrazeneca wasn't profiting from its vaccine, but over time everyone wanted Pfizer's because it was more effective and safer.
 
I think this is part of a more general capitalism vs socialism argument, and whether certain industries should be privately or publicly operated (or maybe even a combination). If medicines shouldn't be privately owned, should anything in health be? What about education, energy, gaols, the military, etc.?

Over the last 20 years we seem to have gone down the privatise everything path, with government acting as a regulator. Problem is that the political side of government can be lobbied and donated to, which I don't think helps.

I know from personal experience with government review boards that they are generally well governed. But that does not mean there is potential for 'corrupt actions'.
It's a tough one. The pre Thatcher UK and Soviet Union are good examples of where the public sector got too big and had to wipe the shit off the slate. Hard to say whether the UK is in better shape now, but the NHS is woefully broken and utilities like public transport are substandard and expensive. It needs another reset back.

Cuba is often cited as the model of health care, but I've seen behind the curtain in the Hermanos Ameijeiras Hospital in Havana, and the fancy foyer is all Potemkin. It's free, which is great, but it's decades behind what we have here.
 
It's a tough one. The pre Thatcher UK and Soviet Union are good examples of where the public sector got too big and had to wipe the shit off the slate. Hard to say whether the UK is in better shape now, but the NHS is woefully broken and utilities like public transport are substandard and expensive. It needs another reset back.

Cuba is often cited as the model of health care, but I've seen behind the curtain in the Hermanos Ameijeiras Hospital in Havana, and the fancy foyer is all Potemkin. It's free, which is great, but it's decades behind what we have here.
Yea well generally better innovation is paired with privatisation. China seems to make their state companies work by just stealing everything lol.

It is tricky. Like most things, somewhere in the middle seems like the best option.we wouldn't want to be completely socialist, but not America either.
 
Yea well generally better innovation is paired with privatisation. China seems to make their state companies work by just stealing everything lol.

It is tricky. Like most things, somewhere in the middle seems like the best option.we wouldn't want to be completely socialist, but not America either.
Singapore is a better example of a capitalist utopia. Standards there are very high across the board, particularly in medicine and health. but they live in cramped conditions - more of a real estate issue in fairness - and they have to work too many hours. I've spoken to cabbies who have to work a second job to pay for their car park. School isn't free either.

I think culture has a lot to do with it. The Poms are an apathetic bunch of *****. You'd never employ one. Singaporeans work their arses off and have an obvious pride in their city state. They take rules earnestly, but that often means a "cannot, lah" rather than a "can, lah."

Americans are very can do, if there's the prospect of a tip. I detest that shit. Australians are usually can do because we like to be useful and help out.
 
Singapore is a better example of a capitalist utopia. Standards there are very high across the board, particularly in medicine and health. but they live in cramped conditions - more of a real estate issue in fairness - and they have to work too many hours. I've spoken to cabbies who have to work a second job to pay for their car park. School isn't free either.

I think culture has a lot to do with it. The Poms are an apathetic bunch of *****. You'd never employ one. Singaporeans work their arses off and have an obvious pride in their city state. They take rules earnestly, but that often means a "cannot, lah" rather than a "can, lah."

Americans are very can do, if there's the prospect of a tip. I detest that shit. Australians are usually can do because we like to be useful and help out.
That last point probably explains a lot. Particularly our response to Covid :)
 
Payne was part of the group out today at vaccination hubs to incentivise people to get them. with Gamble and Riki at the same place the daily press conference was so safe to say this is a non-issue now
That's @McHunt 's future captain right there.
 
It's a tough one. The pre Thatcher UK and Soviet Union are good examples of where the public sector got too big and had to wipe the shit off the slate. Hard to say whether the UK is in better shape now, but the NHS is woefully broken and utilities like public transport are substandard and expensive. It needs another reset back.

Cuba is often cited as the model of health care, but I've seen behind the curtain in the Hermanos Ameijeiras Hospital in Havana, and the fancy foyer is all Potemkin. It's free, which is great, but it's decades behind what we have here.
Thank you so much for the Potemkin reference, I had never heard that before and I am now introduced to the rather flamboyant Grigory Potemkin, what a character he was.
 

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