Challenge System

[vertigo]

absolutely most important part is that common sense has to be used by the video ref when adjudicating a play, so that he doesn't have to give BOTD whether a player arm hair or finger nail was touching the ball, or to abolish the friggin blight on the game that is the "torso try"!

Control with the hand/s - also known as common ****ing sense.

 

[The Brizz]

We can't look at the past as a reference, for the simple reason that the technology has evolved and will keep evolving to a point where it can and should help the referees.

A challenge system can help avoid costly stuff-ups, that can cost a team a game, especially if that game is a finals one! But it obviously needs a review and the absolutely most important part is that common sense has to be used by the video ref when adjudicating a play, so that he doesn't have to give BOTD whether a player arm hair or finger nail was touching the ball, or to abolish the friggin blight on the game that is the "torso try"!

I absolutely disagree 1000% with this. The video referee is making mistakes every single week after taking 3-4 minutes sometimes looking at different angles that "technology" provides, slows the game down and decisions and non-sensical rules that make no sense to anyone. Take power away from video-refs and simplify the rules.

 

[Dexter]

In that case the Waqa try still would have been given the other night. They need to simplify some rules that's for sure, remove the refs guidlelines as much as possible.
Even the B o Doubt rule needs to be applied with common sense. That Waqa try was probably 90% no try and 10% it was but the ref has to give any BoD to the attacking side.

 

[Anonymous person]

Well that's pretty pointless because I think some of the biggest game changers are those non-calls.

no doubt, but how do you possibly handle things like that? if someone blatantly knocks-on and the ref misses it, but the play goes for another 15 seconds, when and how do you put it up for review? if the attacking team is likely to score on the next tackle because they made a break and have a 5 man overlap you cant call it up and have a review then. if someone knocks it on, they call play on, then he gets tackled straight away and is in his own 20 then sure it wouldnt have an impact to look at it. but who decides when it would have a negative impact?

thats why its better to just be able to challenge calls that the referee has made, as there is always a stoppage of play. if a referee awards a try but you think they knocked on in the lead up, challenge it and if they did it will be reversed to a no-try and a knock-on.

theres just no good or easy way to officiate on non-calls unfortunately.

 

[Huge]

Why not include a one line explanation with the decision ?...Video ref has say ten lines(pre written) that should effectively cover all the permutations we have in try-scoring. That way we have something to hang him with when he gets something obviously wrong. Sort of key performance indicator. What stuns me is when 99% of the viewers can see what decision has to be correct and amazingly the video ump flashes the wrong result up. If it was accompanied by his one liner justifying his decision we then could decide one way or the other whether he was up to the job.

I understand everyone has an opinion but ,fair dink some of the decisions are so poor and we are left not having any idea what replay the video ump was looking at and more importantly what was his reasoning for the decision.

examples of a one liner.....ball dropped ,separation evident
ball lost forward,stripped..fair try
ball grounded with torso/arm

I just get frustrated when a contentious try is awarded/denied without any accompanying reasoning

 

[Kaz]

Why not include a one line explanation with the decision ?...Video ref has say ten lines(pre written) that should effectively cover all the permutations we have in try-scoring.

Something like.

STFU Farah.
STFU Ennis.

 

[Ari Gold]

no doubt, but how do you possibly handle things like that? if someone blatantly knocks-on and the ref misses it, but the play goes for another 15 seconds, when and how do you put it up for review? if the attacking team is likely to score on the next tackle because they made a break and have a 5 man overlap you cant call it up and have a review then. if someone knocks it on, they call play on, then he gets tackled straight away and is in his own 20 then sure it wouldnt have an impact to look at it. but who decides when it would have a negative impact?

thats why its better to just be able to challenge calls that the referee has made, as there is always a stoppage of play. if a referee awards a try but you think they knocked on in the lead up, challenge it and if they did it will be reversed to a no-try and a knock-on.

theres just no good or easy way to officiate on non-calls unfortunately.

Maybe the captain can yell challenge and at the next stop they come back to it. Kind of like how a referee will play an advantage and call it back if it breaks down, maybe something like and the referee decides an appropriate time to review.

 

[Kimlo]

Maybe the captain can yell challenge and at the next stop they come back to it. Kind of like how a referee will play an advantage and call it back if it breaks down, maybe something like and the referee decides an appropriate time to review.

What if it's 79 minute and you're down by two?

I agree with AP I can't think of any way to implement unless it's simply challenging a decision already made because there's a natural stoppage. It's not perfect but better than what we have now.

 

[Ari Gold]

What if it's 79 minute and you're down by two?

Well the full-time stoppage would be close after, can review it then.

 

[Kimlo]

Well the full-time stoppage would be close after, can review it then.

Yeah but what if it's the wrong decision, what could be done about it?

 

[Ari Gold]

Reverse the decision and reset the clock.

 

[Kimlo]

Well that would be something I'd have to see in action.

Take this scenario for example.

Us Vs the Sharks. We are playing our best game of the season and so are the Sharks, we're leading 12-10 with 2 minutes to go and the Sharks score, celebrating like mad only for a missed knock on from two sets back to be pulled up by a challenge call and then we have to go back to the 78th minute when the knock on actually happened?

 

[Ari Gold]

You wouldn't go back 2 sets though. If the Sharks knock on, we wish to challenge and state so. Once they kick the ball to us time is stopped to check the review. If we want to challenge something we wouldn't play on when we had a chance to review. If the Sharks get a repeat set then just review it at the scrum or drop out or penalty or whatever. Don't see why if we want to challenge we'd ever need to go back more than one set.

 

[Kimlo]

Hard to say.

I think it's something that would have to be trialed in a few not so important games before we would know for sure how it would impact the game.

 

[Ken Oath]

Players should not be allowed to seek a discussion with the ref full stop. When has a ref changed a decision? Just cop the decision and move on. Players should be penalised without warning for dissent too.
I'm not a fan of the challenge system but I am a fan of the ref having an opportunity to seek clarification on 50/50 calls during the running. They already do this with 40/20's. They need to be able to check if necessary on strips/knock ons and touch in goal decisons. At the moment they are guessing. Massive difference between a strip penalty against the defender or a knock on against attacking team. Same for touch in goal decisions etc.

This will reduce clangers significantly