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PRE-GAME [Finals Week 1, 2025] - Broncos vs Raiders
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Yes it was the magical pain relief fairies that did the trick.
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Yes, placebo.
Works the same whether you insert the needles or just pretend to. I figure if you think you have needles stuck in you, you will quit wriggling and relax around them. That might have a physical benefit. Otherwise, like hypnosis. You need to believe it works.
Acupuncture Doesn’t Work
About a year ago the editors of Anesthesia & Analgesia solicited a written debate on whether or not acupuncture is effective or simply an elaborate placebo. Four experienced acupuncture researcher
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Acupuncture for pain no better than placebo -- and not without harm, study finds
Although acupuncture is commonly used for pain control, doubts about its effectiveness and safety remain. Researchers in the UK and Korea critically evaluated systematic reviews of acupuncture as a treatment of pain in order to explore this question. The scientists conclude that numerous...
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Trill Harrigan
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mchunt did u ever get into snorting pain meds off ur centre console at a red light on the way to work? no placebo there
Santa
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Injury seems legit. Still might play though.
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‘No mind games here, bro’: The injury keeping Josh Papalii worried
The Canberra Raiders enforcer laughed at suggestions his ankle injury is nothing more than mind games – just ask him to show you a photo.
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Now, that I can believe.
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Injury seems legit. Still might play though.
‘No mind games here, bro’: The injury keeping Josh Papalii worried
The Canberra Raiders enforcer laughed at suggestions his ankle injury is nothing more than mind games – just ask him to show you a photo.
Loch Ness Monster
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anyone know if Walshy has been running since the niggle?
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He's had the leg amputated man. No good at all
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BroncosFever
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Injury seems legit. Still might play though.
‘No mind games here, bro’: The injury keeping Josh Papalii worried
The Canberra Raiders enforcer laughed at suggestions his ankle injury is nothing more than mind games – just ask him to show you a photo.
There isn't a world he doesn't play, I would be genuinely shocked if he doesn't play.
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vertigo
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Its finals, the level of game management is usually not anywhere near as bad as regular season.
That being said the home team will always get the more obvious calls.
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You guys know he is getting something called dry needling, not acupuncture...Yes, placebo.
Works the same whether you insert the needles or just pretend to. I figure if you think you have needles stuck in you, you will quit wriggling and relax around them. That might have a physical benefit. Otherwise, like hypnosis. You need to believe it works.
Acupuncture Doesn’t Work
About a year ago the editors of Anesthesia & Analgesia solicited a written debate on whether or not acupuncture is effective or simply an elaborate placebo. Four experienced acupuncture researchersciencebasedmedicine.org
Acupuncture for pain no better than placebo -- and not without harm, study finds
Although acupuncture is commonly used for pain control, doubts about its effectiveness and safety remain. Researchers in the UK and Korea critically evaluated systematic reviews of acupuncture as a treatment of pain in order to explore this question. The scientists conclude that numerous...www.sciencedaily.com
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This.
My physio has done dry needling on some of my leg muscles before, and it's amazing. The release. Oh lord.
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The thing is, placebo or not - it helps people. That may simply be due to the placebo effect, which is very real and can be highly effective.
It's like the rubber hand illusion. You can fool your brain to think a rubber hand is real and legitimately feel pain / panic when it's hit with a hammer. Just because something might be a placebo doesn't mean it offers no therapeutic value.
If it works, it works. The mechanism behind it can be labelled whatever. Typically this can be largely to do with the perception of pain/constriction, rather than physically making it better. But that's often enough for people to use the area normally which can over time help considerably by not walking or moving silly causing other bio-mechanical issues as a consequence.
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Another vote for dry needling here. I'm a little needle-phobic and I'm definitely sceptical about supposed out-there health treatments, so believe me when I say I had absolutely zero faith it would do anything. Generally don't even feel them going in which was nice. The difference in muscle tension for me in just 5 or 10 minutes is remarkable, what the masseuse would spend half an hour (and a reasonable amount of pain for me) solving becomes a 5-minute fairly gentle massage.
@Skathen makes a very good point anyway - is it still a placebo if it works even if the physical mechanism is tenuous and the mental mechanism is the overriding factor? And who cares if it works? You'd be crazy to not follow what works for your individual body regardless of the mechanism.
@Skathen makes a very good point anyway - is it still a placebo if it works even if the physical mechanism is tenuous and the mental mechanism is the overriding factor? And who cares if it works? You'd be crazy to not follow what works for your individual body regardless of the mechanism.
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