Kicking the ball dead...

[spoonbled]

It will soon be 'not in the spirit of the game' to beat Jarrad Hayne. When he throws a bad pass it is deemed the catchers fault. if he misses a tackle the responsibilty will immediately be pointed at god. basically the same rules as it is for Benji.

 

[Huge]

I remember calling for this tactic a few years ago but mainly because it gave the kicking team the dual advantage of a rest between plays and the requirement for the defending team to have all of their team back onside before the tap can be taken. The extra bonus is the chance to set your defence. The advantage gained varies with the differing teams, some who lack the great backline give up little but teams with highly elusive players suffer a greater effect.

Part and parcel of the game and I think it a great tactic.

 

[Jazza]

The underarm bowl was a "tactic" too. I hate Hayne as much as the next person, but I think it's to the detriment of the game having teams play negative football just to negate him. I wouldn't outlaw kicking it dead or anything that extreme, but make it more risky by saying that if the ball goes dead on the full, the changeover takes place from where the kick was taken (or the 20m as normal if kick was within the 20m). A bit like when kicking for touch. Teams could still employ the tactic by grubbering etc. but it will take a more skillful kick to make it come off.

How is it in the detriment of the game? Please!

It's smart football, teams come to win and if that means not letting Jarryd Hayne run the ball back then so be it.

Also, that e-mail about Hayne is hilarious and I want a copy to send to everyone I know!

Did you see the try Parramatta scored against Manly today? That's the sort of thing that makes the highlight reels. Not Soward punting the ball 15m over the dead ball line on the full. Why is that important do you ask? That is the sort of thing that brings fans through the gate and gets more people watching and talking about rugby league. In turn this attracts potential sponsors to the game. Yes, teams would be stupid not to utilise this tactic, but this doesn't mean that the NRL shouldn't look at modifying the rules regarding restarts from kicks that go dead on the full next offseason.

 

[Charmamba]

I dont think we need it stopped, We just need a way to get the ball back into play quicker.

if penalties start being given for everything it will be as slow as the NFL.

 

[Jazza]

Nah no penalties, just restart the ball from where the kick was taken.

 

[Coxy]

Nah no penalties, just restart the ball from where the kick was taken.

So if they boot it dead on the full from 1m out the changeover should be 1m out from the tryline?

 

[Jazza]

No, like I said earlier, if the kick is within the 20m the restart will be from the 20m.

 

[Coxy]

Honestly, too complicated.

I like my mate's suggestion. 20m restart if the ball is caught on the full, or rolls dead or touch in goal.
30m restart if it goes dead or touch in goal on the full.

 

[dukey]

I honestly see nothing wrong with the way it is now.
That's why you have a back three. Wingers cover the sidelines, fullback covers the in goal, and it's up to them to get that ball as quickly as possible and make as many metres as they can.
If Soward starts kicking into touch late in the tackle count to negate Hayne, the wingers drop back to provide extra coverage, resulting in a weakened defensive line and more line breaks. Which is another thing that the fans come to see. If you start penalising the kicker for the ball going dead, we'll forever have 12 in the line and therefore zero line breaks.

 

[Coxy]

Yep, agreed. It's not really a problem. The 20/30 restart is an OK option if it's really a problem.

But bear in mind that whole blow up from Roach was based on FOUR kicks in the game. FOUR, out of what, 60 sets?!

Hey Blocker, that mole hill you're walking on ain't Everest you fat ****.

It should also be noted that yesterday with the Eels leading 24-20 Hayne booted a kick long dead with a minute to go to ensure Manly couldn't run the ball back.

What's good for the goose is good for the f***wit.

 

[Professor47]

I tend to agree if balls are kicked dead on the full then it should be a changeover at the point of the kick, or 20m line, depending which gives the greatest advantage to the non-kicking team.

I thought the kick from Soward when he was 40 metres out and it went 15m dead on the full was a bit dumb.

But I have no problem with kicking it over the fullback's head and rolling dead. No problem with it at all.

Agreed.

I've always said 30m restart anyway. 20m restarts aren't that bad at all IMO.

Personally, I don't think it is that great of a tactic anyway - Parra could easily counter that with a no-nonsense set of six and booting it in the corner --> there is no way the opp. would be able to use the tactic 2/3 times in a row if Parra counter it smartly.

I do agree it would create a boring spectacle rather than "not in the spirit of the game". Sort of reminds me of when Soccer teams keep passing it backwards to each other when the game is won. But would you do it to win the World Cup? Hell yeh. Would you do it to win the GF? Hell yeh.

I like the idea of a 30m restart.

 

[Foordy]

I don't think there should be a problem with kicking the ball dead... especially if you are on the defensive team. the thing is that if the ball is deliberately kicked dead, then the attacking team is obviously not trying to score points (which is good if you are defending) the defending team also is guaranteed to start their set of 6 at the 20m line which isn't guaranteed with an attacking kick, that is also the reason most fullbacks including Hayne and Slater will allow the ball to simply run dead instead of picking it up and running it out of the in-goal.

 

[OXY-351]

I don't think there should be a problem with kicking the ball dead... especially if you are on the defensive team. the thing is that if the ball is deliberately kicked dead, then the attacking team is obviously not trying to score points (which is good if you are defending) the defending team also is guaranteed to start their set of 6 at the 20m line which isn't guaranteed with an attacking kick, that is also the reason most fullbacks including Hayne and Slater will allow the ball to simply run dead instead of picking it up and running it out of the in-goal.

I think you're missing the point and/or getting confused between kicking the ball dead when not in an attacking position and doing it when in an attacking position. I'm not too sure how many teams would have a tactic to kick it dead when in an attacking position.