THE BOSS Maguire Stomped The Naysayers! But...8 Months Later, Here We Are.

[Wolfie]

Shit thing is even he had some bad moments tonight. One or 2 errors and got ran through by a back.

Difference is, he had played origin couple days earlier, and was doing extras to make up for his errors. He got back to stop a grubber, got back to intercept that other grubber and made a break with nobody supporting.

He is the only bloke we have currently who shows these efforts, actually trying to make up for his errors.

Its like Carrigan in 2024 all over again. One player standing up while the rest just dont step up. Pat is already burned out, Payne will go the same way. We cant keep flogging middle forwards.

 

[broncsgoat]

I'm on the fence with Madge and am not prepared to judge him until he completely rebuilds the squad, unless this happens we will go round in circles by sacking the coach and getting the same results.
Serious question, is there a coach out there that could win a comp with these pansies?

Hopefully he doesn’t get the chance to ‘rebuild’ the squad…

He ****ed the tigers. They got worse every year of the four he was there. They weren’t world beaters when he took over but Cleary had them improving and then they plummeted under Madge and ended up with 3 consecutive wooden spoons after he had left… this is not the man to rebuild our club

 

[Mightybroncs2k17]

Sacking Seibold was the right call.
Sacking Walters was arguably premature.
Sacking Madge would be taking the easy way out.

At some stage the players need to be held accountable. Yes it's easier to remove one coach then it is to move on a whole playing group. But I'm guessing Madge had been told to take a hard edge approach to this group and anyone who doesn't get on board he has permission to move on.

That means we may well see a large turnover of players but if it means getting players with the right attitude into the squad then I can't complain.

Re the style of footy we are playing. I was one calling for us to turn it down and be less frantic. I didn't expect us to tone it down this much though and it appears to have backfired for now. Pure speculation but it's possible we are tying to play a Penrith style of footy. High dicipline (fail), low risk and simple football. It's almost opposite of how they are used to playing so makes sense if they are struggling with it. But it could be the kind of thing that takes 3/4 of a season to get right but when it clicks it changes everything.

In any scenario, we are on a very bad downward trajectory and it needs a circuit breaker very soon before it ends up in another Seibold/wooden type situation.

 

[_wwong]

We've gone through 3 different coaches. Everyone reckons the players are at fault. Is there a chance Madge has his "Wayne sacking Wally moment"? Or is that a totally different scenario?

He has a squad fully of Wally’s and could sack all of them. Draw a name out of a hat and start sacking.

 

[Jedhead]

There is still one huge anomaly that has me baffled.

We started the season looking like world beaters, so the cattle we have has shown they are capable of putting a good team effort together.

However, we were playing mediocre by the time the dogs game came round but we went out that day and absolutely destroyed them. It was as if they all flicked a switch for this one game that most people had written them off for, but then after that they returned to their 'don't give a shit mentality' form.

Is the team silently saying - "look we are able to beat anyone, even the top of the table team when we really want to, but we're effectively on strike in silent protest of the way things are being run at present".

It's the only reason i can think of to explain how woefully inept they are playing at present. I mean our attack is capable of destroying a team we've all seen that, but at the minute something is holding them back from playing as a team. It's like they don't even want to score.

 

[Harry Sack]

There's definitely a fracture in the group. IMO it involves Patty and Reynolds.

 

[Fernando]

We need to sack much more than half the team lmao. The Eels made the grand final the year before us, sometimes it happens to even shitty clubs. But no one was suggesting the Eels hold their squad together because of that gf appearance, and we need to forget about it too.

 

[mrslong]

In 6 months it will have been 20 ****in years

Burn the place down

 

[Nashy]

Hopefully he doesn’t get the chance to ‘rebuild’ the squad…

He ****ed the tigers. They got worse every year of the four he was there. They weren’t world beaters when he took over but Cleary had them improving and then they plummeted under Madge and ended up with 3 consecutive wooden spoons after he had left… this is not the man to rebuild our club

I'm on board this now. **** the guy

 

[Mitchell_Broncos]

Everything is about money making these days I reckon half the board don’t give a fk about results. Just how there going to make money honestly.

 

[BroncsFan]

Pure speculation but it's possible we are tying to play a Penrith style of footy. High dicipline (fail), low risk and simple football.

The Penrith style is built on defence and winning the territory battle... fast linespeed, strong in contact to control the wrestle and the ruck.

Off the back of that the opposition is kicking off the back foot which gives the back 5 a headstart.

Eventually the opposition fatigues and things open up for the attack.

We aren't doing the fundamental things needed in defence that the rest of the Penrith style is built from

 

[Allo]

The Penrith style is built on defence and winning the territory battle... fast linespeed, strong in contact to control the wrestle and the ruck.

Off the back of that the opposition is kicking off the back foot which gives the back 5 a headstart.

Eventually the opposition fatigues and things open up for the attack.

We aren't doing the fundamental things needed in defence that the rest of the Penrith style is built from

We also don’t get away with being offside most of the game either

 

[BroncsFan]

At this point Madge needs to have a sit down and an honesty session with his leadership group.

He needs to find out what the issues are with the group and he needs to lay down his non-negotiables... if the team is gassed every game because he's overloading them, then they need to come to a middle ground so Madge is able to prep them in the way that he wants them to be, but the players also feel they are at 100% for gameday.

If he doesn't bite the bullet his career as an NRL coach will be done, because it will have been 3 clubs that have sacked him at this point, and all with the same noise that his methods are outdated... and he won't have anyone to blame but himself if he's not willing to evolve.

The playing group also need to realise that if they don't come together as a group then they'll be shipped out and spread across the league as the club rebuilds.

The players like to talk a lot about playing together as a group, and wanting to stay together, but if Madge is sacked that would be 4 coaches sacked in 7 years... half the squad is off contract, so they don't have the security of it being 'harder to sack the players than it is to sack one coach'.

Madge shipping out half the squad isn't necessarily great for him either... it's an automatic way to get offside with the other half that remains. We've already seen what happens in 2020 when half the squad are sent packing. Unless the leadership group come out and say players x,y,z aren't buying in and they need to be shipped out.

There needs to be a united front between the coaching and the players... if there isn't then one of those groups are out the door.

 

[Harry Sack]

At this point Madge needs to have a sit down and an honesty session with his leadership group.

He needs to find out what the issues are with the group and he needs to lay down his non-negotiables... if the team is gassed every game because he's overloading them, then they need to come to a middle ground so Madge is able to prep them in the way that he wants them to be, but the players also feel they are at 100% for gameday.

This part is important. There's training hard and then there's training too hard, too soon. I get he's full on with this kind of thing, but it was his undoing at his previous clubs and he needs to learn from it. By all means build them up to your standard but expecting a team that is used to training at say level one to suddenly be fine with training at level 10 is dumb.

If he doesn't bite the bullet his career as an NRL coach will be done, because it will have been 3 clubs that have sacked him at this point, and all with the same noise that his methods are outdated... and he won't have anyone to blame but himself if he's not willing to evolve.

...and I'd say this is the most GF ready team that he has taken over, at least in the medias eyes, so if he fails massively here I don't see how he comes back from it.

The playing group also need to realise that if they don't come together as a group then they'll be shipped out and spread across the league as the club rebuilds.

The players like to talk a lot about playing together as a group, and wanting to stay together, but if Madge is sacked that would be 4 coaches sacked in 7 years... half the squad is off contract, so they don't have the security of it being 'harder to sack the players than it is to sack one coach'.

Madge shipping out half the squad isn't necessarily great for him either... it's an automatic way to get offside with the other half that remains. We've already seen what happens in 2020 when half the squad are sent packing. Unless the leadership group come out and say players x,y,z aren't buying in and they need to be shipped out.

There needs to be a united front between the coaching and the players... if there isn't then one of those groups are out the door.

It's a sticky situation. There need to be changes, but suggestions of 80% of the squad are just madness.

 

[Waynesaurus]

It's a sticky situation. There need to be changes, but suggestions of 80% of the squad are just madness.

Yeah, it seems like there is a toxic element in the current group and for some reason the club don't want to cut it out because most likely they are high profile players.

So instead the club cuts the coach (Kevvie) and brings in a 'hard ass' coach to cut the rott, the toxic element seem to have taken up the challenge to break the hard ass coach.

The problem is, if the toxic group remain do they infect the rest and then we need that major clean out.

 

[Aldo]

I just can't cop the training too hard bit. Surely we aren't training any harder than the Storm or Penrith, the benchmark of the comp for the last whatever years. Every team trains hard. It's the NRL.

 

[1910]

At this point Madge needs to have a sit down and an honesty session with his leadership group.

He needs to find out what the issues are with the group and he needs to lay down his non-negotiables... if the team is gassed every game because he's overloading them, then they need to come to a middle ground so Madge is able to prep them in the way that he wants them to be, but the players also feel they are at 100% for gameday.

If he doesn't bite the bullet his career as an NRL coach will be done, because it will have been 3 clubs that have sacked him at this point, and all with the same noise that his methods are outdated... and he won't have anyone to blame but himself if he's not willing to evolve.

The playing group also need to realise that if they don't come together as a group then they'll be shipped out and spread across the league as the club rebuilds.

The players like to talk a lot about playing together as a group, and wanting to stay together, but if Madge is sacked that would be 4 coaches sacked in 7 years... half the squad is off contract, so they don't have the security of it being 'harder to sack the players than it is to sack one coach'.

Madge shipping out half the squad isn't necessarily great for him either... it's an automatic way to get offside with the other half that remains. We've already seen what happens in 2020 when half the squad are sent packing. Unless the leadership group come out and say players x,y,z aren't buying in and they need to be shipped out.

There needs to be a united front between the coaching and the players... if there isn't then one of those groups are out the door.

The training is all mapped out based on data from games and loading. Performance staff with Madge work out what the week looks like based on data, injuries and turn around.

It's not just Madge flogging them.

 

[Santa]

I just can't cop the training too hard bit. Surely we aren't training any harder than the Storm or Penrith, the benchmark of the comp for the last whatever years. Every team trains hard. It's the NRL.

This is pretty telling that it in fact might be much harder under Madge compared to Penrith/Melbourne.

Note: this video was from a while ago.