THE BOSS Maguire Stomped The Naysayers! But...8 Months Later, Here We Are.

Cult said:
There’s something about our players that makes other teams want to over spend to get them, which means we are forced to offer more than they’re worth to us. We no longer have an endless supply of Queensland talent to pick from (and haven’t for decades now), so we have to try to keep some of them.

Bennett used to say you don’t pay props a certain amount of money. We need to go back to that and stand firm, you either want to be here or go ruin your career at the Tigers or Souths, hey Fifita.
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The same coach who has gone and paid stupid amounts of money for our star prop?

Don't believe a word that old dude says.
 
Cult said:
There’s something about our players that makes other teams want to over spend to get them, which means we are forced to offer more than they’re worth to us. We no longer have an endless supply of Queensland talent to pick from (and haven’t for decades now), so we have to try to keep some of them.

Bennett used to say you don’t pay props a certain amount of money. We need to go back to that and stand firm, you either want to be here or go ruin your career at the Tigers or Souths, hey Fifita.
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How much did Bennett just pay Haas? 😂
 
BroncsFan said:
I think that's where things are going wrong for us.

Panthers can lose an Api, Kiks, Crichton, Luai, etc. because they know they've got a young guy coming through that can do the job for them anyway.

That means they can nail down their core group of players, who become non-negotiables... Cleary and Yeo mostly.

At the broncos we have FOMO, but we also dont have the conveyor belt of talent coming through anymore.

Are we overpaying for Piaks if we have 3 other second rowers coming through?

Cobbo got overpaid because he was getting lined up as our long term fullback... and then Reece came back. Are we overpaying for Cobbo if we had 2-3 other gun fullbacks coming through... Cobbo doesnt have much of a passing game either so was he really appropriate as the nailed on long term fullback in the first place.

The club has FOMO for sure, but they also dont have the luxury of losing one of the few talented guys they've managed to hold onto, because there isnt a queue of players coming through to take that spot.
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The question should be, why dont we have the factory? Its not like penrith is a secluded island. They have just as much competition as we do for players but they can maintain a consistent production line for a number of years now but we cant?
Thats why we have fomo. If we had the aforementioned, we could say no worries all the best to someone being offered a fat cheque and let the next one step up.
Sort the first problem out and it solves the second.
 
Renegade said:
The question should be, why dont we have the factory? Its not like penrith is a secluded island. They have just as much competition as we do for players but they can maintain a consistent production line for a number of years now but we cant?
Thats why we have fomo. If we had the aforementioned, we could say no worries all the best to someone being offered a fat cheque and let the next one step up.
Sort the first problem out and it solves the second.
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We used to be able to take players from the Redcliffe Dolphins system as they had no direct NRL pathway, that's changed now though.
 
Wolfie said:
We used to be able to take players from the Redcliffe Dolphins system as they had no direct NRL pathway, that's changed now though.
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Yeah but nsw has 9 pro teams (or whatever the number is cbf) plus rugby. So the idea (not that anyone is necessarily claiming it) that penrith just have this unchallenged scope and production line doesnt ring true for me.

We either have a problem identifying them or developing them.

Additionally maybe we're not as great as some other clubs at scouring the lower divs and finding the ones that never got a chance and can fill in the gaps.
 
Big Pete said:
There's a real dirth in backrowers in the competition. A lot of clubs have had to move middles out there just to compensate and even at rep level we're seeing the likes of Reuben Cotter and Tom Gilbert play on an edge because the quality just isn't there.

From memory the Broncos were interested in signing Hosking but the Raiders came in and offered him more money than they should have. Ricky loves to horde backrows. The trade off is that they rarely get the balance right which is why they haven't made a splash in the post-season since 2019.

I don't rate Fuller that highly. That's down to junior development and that's a whole different conversation. Even so it's uncommon for clubs to have a quality back-up. Usually they have a versatile player who can go back there for a game or two. With Cobbo gone the club has been caught short.

Billy Walters is a running dummy half. The whole situation is a mess but it's an easy one to fix and I think it had it's intended affect. Hunt has his problems but I think his experience worked in the Broncos favour in the 2025 finals.

Nobody is asking the fans to fix things. It's not like Madge is going to read what you, Wolfie and I have to say and he's going to go ahead and make that change. It's more gauging about realistically what could have been done and whether it's fair to leverage that against the club.

Again Melbourne is a whole other conversation. The point being is that in this current age even a club with that level of consistensy is barrelling out. Who knows they could still very well play finals but they've already had been completely embarrassed this year. I just think it's the sign of the times. That was the point, if we're going 20 years of comparing Brisbane and Melbourne we could be here all day.

To your final point, it takes more than signing Jack Reed or Gehamat Shibasaki to build a dynasty. It also takes more than two seasons and who knows if Madge is even the right guy for that role.
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I take your points. But if we were a well run club we shouldn't be in this situation just after winning a premiership. Yes injuries have been awful but we've had enough good players on the field to at least be in the top 8. I recall we still had a decent team on paper against dragons and titans. To be frank those were embarrassing losses. Both at home as well, it's just unforgivable.

Seriously all other clubs are in the situation where a Jetski is their best back up option? I just find that really hard to believe. It's not even like our starters are close to the best in the comp. Every one can see it has been a problem for years and it doesn't seem like the club has been proactive about fixing it. 2027 doesn't really look any better.
 
GTB! said:
I take your points. But if we were a well run club we shouldn't be in this situation just after winning a premiership. Yes injuries have been awful but we've had enough good players on the field to at least be in the top 8. I recall we still had a decent team on paper against dragons and titans. To be frank those were embarrassing losses. Both at home as well, it's just unforgivable.

Seriously all other clubs are in the situation where a Jetski is their best back up option? I just find that really hard to believe. It's not even like our starters are close to the best in the comp. Every one can see it has been a problem for years and it doesn't seem like the club has been proactive about fixing it. 2027 doesn't really look any better.
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Melbourne were forced to start their interchange rookie bench prop into a starting edge forward role. The alternative was another interchange prop forward in MacDonald. Then the alternatives to that were an out of form Chan and Blore who were as bad if not worse.

You can go across the board. Some teams have hoarded talent, others really struggle when you take away a key piece.

I don't think it was the biggest priority heading into 2027. The biggest priority was finding Reynolds' replacement and while the jury is out on Jonah Pezet I think it was a better option than sticking with Coby Black. Whether going prop for prop for Haas was the right decision remains to be seen, maybe they could have held off and signed Preston with a view to move Riki to the middle but then they'd have to rely on negotiations falling through at the Bulldogs and would likely have to compete with the Bears. Preston seems like such an obvious marquee signing for them.

My point is that I wouldn't hold it against Madge. Yes, hold it against Kev who should have had somebody lined up after releasing Capewell but Madge delivered the premiership and had every reason to stick solid. Especially without anybody else out there. If he doesn't react then sure go after him.
 
I'm not really holding it against one person. Madge definitely deserves 2027 to see what he can do. I guess the club as a whole needs to be better.
 
GTB! said:
I'm not really holding it against one person. Madge definitely deserves 2027 to see what he can do. I guess the club as a whole needs to be better.
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The thing is that a lot of the people who are responsible are no longer at the club and a lot of the issues the Broncos are facing just come down to time. Yes on paper the Broncos may appear at full-strength but a lot of them are playing injured. I don't think you meant it, but I think it's absurd to say that after being completely demoralised for a few weeks it's unforgivible that they lost to the competition stragglers.

It's poor and everything else but if it was truly unforgiveable then just sack the lot and start over.

Burn the boats!
 
We lost convincingly except for another late come back. I'm just saying if we were a well run club we wouldn't be in this situation now. We would have better depth to cover injuries. We would have juniors coming though in different positions. With the injuries top 4 no but certainly top 8.
 
Renegade said:
The question should be, why dont we have the factory? Its not like penrith is a secluded island. They have just as much competition as we do for players but they can maintain a consistent production line for a number of years now but we cant?
Thats why we have fomo. If we had the aforementioned, we could say no worries all the best to someone being offered a fat cheque and let the next one step up.
Sort the first problem out and it solves the second.
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I've posted my thoughts before, but I see it as the Broncos not really having a spot to hoard young players.

If they have a young guy coming through they basically have to commit to that guy with a top 30 contract or dev deal.

You're basically having to sacrifice potential first grade spots just to keep a guy... even if he's not able to contribute anything to the first grade NRL side.

Whereas down in Sydney, Penrith have a junior system setup to watch over and coach players coming through.

They're not necessarily required to sign all their guys to top 30 deals... they can sign their top kids they dont want to lose and then just store the other guys in their NSWRL team to develop and mature.

I used the examples of BTK, Mozer and Jett Bryce.

BTK and Mozer have effectively been developing under top 30 deals and in BTK's case we've got 5 games out of about 2-3 years of Top 30 deals.

Jett we've had to let go back into the Qcup comp and hope that he can develop away from an NRL system (basically as a semi pro footballer), and not only that, but hope that if he does mature he'll come back to Broncos.

Sydney clubs may not necessarily have that issue... they have a separate issue of guys they might be trying to hoard in cup getting poached between the 7 or so other Sydney clubs, but they get a long runway to identify and hold guys until they have to commit to a top 30 deal.

Realistically we should probably operate like rorters.

Keep our powder dry (ie the Top 30 spots), let the kids develop somewhere else and then vulture the most promising ones when theyre just about to hit first grade.

It seems we dont do the vulturing part.

If we've not got a gun second rower coming through then we should've gone and vultured one coming through someone else's system.
 
GTB! said:
We lost convincingly except for another late come back. I'm just saying if we were a well run club we wouldn't be in this situation now. We would have better depth to cover injuries. We would have juniors coming though in different positions. With the injuries top 4 no but certainly top 8.
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That's just the nature of the game. St George skipped out to the lead, had all the ball and when possession evened up Brisbane ran out of time. That's the thing at the moment, even the depth players are injured and the gulf between the juniors and the seniors is high. These things take time and you have to think long term.
 
I just realised that my comments, and I think a lot of the recent comments above, don't really belong in the Madge thread. I'm not having a go at Madge specifically.

Dragons this season have won 1 game and lost 12. Below was our team list for this game. Playing at home. It's not like we played the Dragons into form either, they lost their next game 34-12. There is just something not right at the club to lose this one. Just blows the mind.

Brisbane Broncos: 1. Reece Walsh, 2. Josiah Karapani, 3. Kotoni Staggs, 4. Gehamat Shibasaki, 5. Jesse Arthars, 6. Ezra Mam, 7. Adam Reynolds, 8. Preston Riki, 9. Corey Paix, 10. Payne Haas, 11. Brendan Piakura, 12. Xavier Willison, 13. Patrick Carrigan, 14. Ben Hunt, 15. Ben Talty, 16. Va’a Semu, 17. Jack Gosiewski, 18. Grant Anderson, 19. Hayze Perham
 
BroncsFan said:
Bhunt should retire or play elsewhere (Madge is compromising himself by keeping him around the squad next year)

Let walk Shiba, Jesse, Gos, Jhunt and Hoeter... probably let Rogers walk as well (always there as a T&T if needed)... Perham is 50/50 not so much because he's bad or anything, but is there a young fullback coming through to use that spot
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TBF, I think most of that is happening anyway

Ben Hunt would be an easy re-signing ... I think that fact that he hasn't been re-signed yet is telling. not to mention that even when there have been injuries or form issues in the halves this year, Hunt has still been kept on the bench.

there have been reports that Arthars will walk anyway and our offer to Shibasaki was well short of his asking price and we don't appear like we'll up it anytime soon
 
Big Pete said:
Melbourne were forced to start their interchange rookie bench prop into a starting edge forward role. The alternative was another interchange prop forward in MacDonald. Then the alternatives to that were an out of form Chan and Blore who were as bad if not worse.
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But Clarke is basically their 5th choice at backrow coming into the year??

Katoa out for the season
Lisati occupying one edge and 80min per game
Blore was their 80min forward last year
Joe Chan another 80min edge forward... just out of form

Im taking either Blore or Chan over Gos

Broncos have 2... we lose one and we're playing sub-standard options out there
 
GTB! said:
I just realised that my comments, and I think a lot of the recent comments above, don't really belong in the Madge thread. I'm not having a go at Madge specifically.

Dragons this season have won 1 game and lost 12. Below was our team list for this game. Playing at home. It's not like we played the Dragons into form either, they lost their next game 34-12. There is just something not right at the club to lose this one. Just blows the mind.

Brisbane Broncos: 1. Reece Walsh, 2. Josiah Karapani, 3. Kotoni Staggs, 4. Gehamat Shibasaki, 5. Jesse Arthars, 6. Ezra Mam, 7. Adam Reynolds, 8. Preston Riki, 9. Corey Paix, 10. Payne Haas, 11. Brendan Piakura, 12. Xavier Willison, 13. Patrick Carrigan, 14. Ben Hunt, 15. Ben Talty, 16. Va’a Semu, 17. Jack Gosiewski, 18. Grant Anderson, 19. Hayze Perham
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These things happen.

Against the Dragons they expected the returning players to step up but they were guilty of over-playing their hand. The only player who actually helped the team was Haas and they just played into the Dragons hands.
 
Foordy said:
TBF, I think most of that is happening anyway

Ben Hunt would be an easy re-signing ... I think that fact that he hasn't been re-signed yet is telling. not to mention that even when there have been injuries or form issues in the halves this year, Hunt has still been kept on the bench.

there have been reports that Arthars will walk anyway and our offer to Shibasaki was well short of his asking price and we don't appear like we'll up it anytime soon
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I'm thinking more about the replacements.

Shiba and Arthars out along with Anderson means we need to replace them.

Mariner for Shiba... that means 2 wingers to replace Arthars and Anderson... as well as Mariner.

Are we assuming Coates and Nio are those replacements?

Maybe, but one will be expected to be a starter all next year and the other first drop.
 
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