PLAYER Payne Haas Discussion

Skathen said:
Yeah, Kikau, NAS and other big blokes used by the top teams are constantly running at halfbacks these days because it's totally ineffective and leads to poor meters, no tries and the halves really contain them well. /s


TPJ wants to play in the middle, let him. Riki - has potential from the very limited time we have seen him, hardly a bankable proposition yet.

Kennedy, as far as dollars per quality of performance goes has held up very well. You can't have 30 stars with a salary cap and need some 'fair' quality players to balance the books and in that regard he fits the bill.
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NAS plays middle. TPJ wants to play middle so you let him, but you move Haas to an edge? Good logic.


Super Freak said:
Jesus, the kid has only played 40 bloody games and there's already a thread about whether he's overrated..

Give the kid some time to actually learn and grow. It's going to take him a good few years before he even hits his stride.
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You can be overrated without playing any games. Overrated doesn't mean poor quality, as I said in the OP.
 
At his age and experience, if he was in a Melbourne Storm or Sydney Roosters system he would be a very impactful bench forward and occasional starter playing about 30-40 mins probably increasing as his experience grows who would be being groomed to be a starter playing 40-50mins who could eventually become an 80min threat. No way should he be playing 80mins at the moment. Far too early to judge if he's over-rated.
 
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BooKhaki said:
NAS plays middle. TPJ wants to play middle so you let him, but you move Haas to an edge? Good logic.
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NAS roams, frequently running wide, it's where he's scored most of his tries. Conveniently didn't address Kikau.

TPJ is an fragile ego and he plays better when he gets what he wants.

Haas - has the capabilities to be a Kikau clone, but with better footwork - he displayed this several times last year including in his breakaway try that's on the highlight reels. Why take him out of the middle? His defense is not solid enough for 80 minutes in the middle. If they want to make use of his speed/size, they'll get better return on investment moving him wide and bringing in a real hardnose prop to take his place.
 
Skathen said:
NAS roams, frequently running wide, it's where he's scored most of his tries. Conveniently didn't address Kikau.

TPJ is an fragile ego and he plays better when he gets what he wants.

Haas - has the capabilities to be a Kikau clone, but with better footwork - he displayed this several times last year including in his breakaway try that's on the highlight reels. Why take him out of the middle? His defense is not solid enough for 80 minutes in the middle. If they want to make use of his speed/size, they'll get better return on investment moving him wide and bringing in a real hardnose prop to take his place.
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Haha mate, Haas is nothing like Kikau. They are different styles.

We have Riki now who I am confident in. Oates may play backrow too.
 
upthebroncs said:
Haha mate, Haas is nothing like Kikau. They are different styles.

We have Riki now who I am confident in. Oates may play backrow too.
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Oates should be coverage at best. Riki - another in the long line of "potential" we have.

Haas nothing like Kikau? Not a fast for a big tank who bends lines, catches people he shouldn't in cover defense and are almost perfectly the same size? Haas has a different job to do, that's not the same thing.
 
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Skathen said:
Oates should be coverage at best. Riki - another in the long line of "potential" we have.

Haas nothing like Kikau? Not a fast for a big tank who bends lines, catches people he shouldn't in cover defense and are almost perfectly the same size? Haas has a different job to do, that's not the same thing.
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Well.. David Fifita was in Riki's situation about one or two years ago.. It doesn't always take very long for some players to get to their potential. I back Riki.

Oates needs a pre season at backrow and the confidence of his coach.. That'd probably do the trick.

You are kidding yourself if you think Haas could play on the edge like Kikau does. Kikau is much more athletic in terms of his running game.
 
Haas could easily be a second rower, he has the speed and footwork to be an elite one at that, the reason why this comes up is Haas abilities are beyond what is required for Prop he is easily the fastest prop in the game and his stamina is rediculous.

Considering how easily Haas can skull drag middle forwards everytime he runs imagine how effectual it would be if he was running at a half.
 
Our best player and should be spoken about for leadership.

You don’t win games without dominating the middle so you don’t move your best player away from there.

Front rowers can attack an edge at any time and have success but defensively they are a liability. Haas can be found out with lateral movement so why put him in a position that makes him even more vulnerable
 
Skathen said:
NAS roams, frequently running wide, it's where he's scored most of his tries. Conveniently didn't address Kikau.

TPJ is an fragile ego and he plays better when he gets what he wants.

Haas - has the capabilities to be a Kikau clone, but with better footwork - he displayed this several times last year including in his breakaway try that's on the highlight reels. Why take him out of the middle? His defense is not solid enough for 80 minutes in the middle. If they want to make use of his speed/size, they'll get better return on investment moving him wide and bringing in a real hardnose prop to take his place.
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I didn't address Kikau because he is a edge runner, always has been. Haas is a prop and always will be. He can barely defend in the middle, and you want him out defending an edge? Sure if he wants to try some crash ball out wide go for it, but he is not an edge. Because he can't defend 80mins in the middle you think he should be moved? How about seeing if he can handle it for 50mins like most other props.
upthebroncs said:
Haha mate, Haas is nothing like Kikau. They are different styles.

We have Riki now who I am confident in. Oates may play backrow too.
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Oates isn't skillful enough to be an edge backrower, he tucks the ball under both arms and hits the line hard, as an edge backrower you need to have some skill and threaten a pass, he should be used for more crash ball closer to the line. He is an absolute weapon on the wing, but has had a trash year like the rest of the team. Riki has a lot of potential, needs some more minutes this year, I don't understand why we keep using Kennedy and Teo when we can be giving young blokes lots of minutes like Riki and Bull.
 
Tstev92 said:
Our best player and should be spoken about for leadership.

You don’t win games without dominating the middle so you don’t move your best player away from there.

Front rowers can attack an edge at any time and have success but defensively they are a liability. Haas can be found out with lateral movement so why put him in a position that makes him even more vulnerable
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He is arguably our best with Staggs(both of them have a lot of work to do defensively)

But this thread has shown people are afraid to critique him. He has a lot of holes in his game, but has a huge upside.
 
Rico said:
May have come off the boil due to overuse but I’ve got a mountain of respect for him to keep pushing when most other forwards have given up on the season. His little brother just died and a change of coach and still smashing 200m plus in well beaten teams.

Yep the try line defence needs a bit of work and used 2 off the ruck in other plays and an offload in the mix and he’s the best forward in the game.
Absolute gun IMO and criticism comes due to desperation For him to blow games apart which is another cop out on bludging, non performing senior players who need a rocket or to be moved on.
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Very well said
 
Dont recall Lazarus or Webcke being asked to paly 80 minutes up front for us when they hit 20-30 first grade games...

Just cause you can play 80 minutes in the front row, doesnt mean you should be...

He needs to paly 60 mpg, so that way we can ask him to put 100% into his ruck work after each spell; he can definately set the platform for his halfs if used this way, plus he has a step and can offload too...

Plus....he is SSSOOOOOO cheap....!

He is years away from peaking, he has been managed awefully bad thus far in his career...and that needs to change
 
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