OFFICIAL Payne Haas to depart Broncos at the end of 2026

Jeffy said:
Think its pretty cope to suggest Haas' best days are behind him. What we've ended up losing is a 27yo Haas in 2027 at $1.2m. That is a peak age for a prop and he's absolutely a winning player even when on 1/10th the salary cap. 2027 is in our premiership window with Pezet, and signing players for 2027 will be tough with Bears overpaying and inflating the market. Carrigan had reportedly asked for an upgrade a few months ago on his existing contract and now we've lost negotiating leverage with Willison too. Expect it will be hard for us to do too much with Haas money in 2027.
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Depends who we look at and how much each club is prepared to pay? We have money, facilities, a huge, successful club, all the advantages of living in Brisbane and a squad that is in a genuine premiership window and is hot off the back of an actual premiership, with a roster the envy of most clubs even without Haas.

Of all that, the Bears have money…
 
Usually when a player moves its because of money, opportunity, or legacy. I'll be ****ed if I can work out what the intentions are here.

Clearly it's not money - by contract at least.
Opportunity is already maxed out
Legacy - Wants to be a glen lazarus?
 
Jason Simmons said:
Depends who we look at and how much each club is prepared to pay? We have money, facilities, a huge, successful club, all the advantages of living in Brisbane and a squad that is in a genuine premiership window and is hot off the back of an actual premiership, with a roster the envy of most clubs even without Haas.

Of all that, the Bears have money…
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I hope so. But I think we lose part of the allure of being "the club" in the premiership window and having everyone play for unders when we lose Haas and have a bunch of spare salary cap. I would not be surprised if Carrigan requests a top up, and we have to pay more for Willison now.
 
Jeffy said:
Think its pretty cope to suggest Haas' best days are behind him. What we've ended up losing is a 27yo Haas in 2027 at $1.2m. That is a peak age for a prop and he's absolutely a winning player even when on 1/10th the salary cap. 2027 is in our premiership window with Pezet, and signing players for 2027 will be tough with Bears overpaying and inflating the market. Carrigan had reportedly asked for an upgrade a few months ago on his existing contract and now we've lost negotiating leverage with Willison too. Expect it will be hard for us to do too much with Haas money in 2027.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he does starts to decline a bit earlier, just based on how much work he's been getting through over the last so many years, similar to Taumalolo...but I'd also be willing to bet he's got more in his legs than the almost 2 years older Carrigan does, who's also been carrying a similar workload only without the freak genetics.
 
Alec said:
I wouldn't be surprised if he does starts to decline a bit earlier, just based on how much work he's been getting through over the last so many years, similar to Taumalolo...but I'd also be willing to bet he's got more in his legs than the almost 2 years older Carrigan does, who's also been carrying a similar workload only without the freak genetics.
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Agreed, I just don't think that drop off is coming at 27. I think this is going to be a pivotal year for Carrigan. Can't tell if his form drop last year was putting on weight to play prop or if he's genuinely declining. Haas does what he does despite being the focal point of the opposition forward pack. Once he goes, that focus will be much bigger on every other forward.
 
Jeffy said:
Agreed, I just don't think that drop off is coming at 27. I think this is going to be a pivotal year for Carrigan. Can't tell if his form drop last year was putting on weight to play prop or if he's genuinely declining. Haas does what he does despite being the focal point of the opposition forward pack. Once he goes, that focus will be much bigger on every other forward.
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I doint think Carrigan had that much of a form drop at all. Its just the year before he was at an unrealistically high level all year. He was still contributing while he was playing as prop. Still making meters, still playing more minutes than any other front rower. If we didnt shift him back to Lock, we dont win that premiership either. Walsh rightly gets the plaudits, but if we stuck with our other lock options, no way would we have kicked on.

Both Haas and Carrigan though need to be managed better in terms of time on the field. We got better with it, but i still think you cant play front rowers the way they both play the game for the amount of time we have them on the field. The body wont handle it.
 
At the end of the day I am not going to pretend this isn't a loss. Him leaving will leave a dent that will have to be managed. But it's not going to destroy the Broncos at all. You lose a Lazo you get a Webke and Petro coming through. That is how these things work. You will not replace with a like for like, you never do. But potentially we will find someone who brings something we didn't have with Payne ( intimidation).

Payne was showing a lot of wear and tear on the body last year. I would assume this will continue for him. Big bodies break down, it is what it is. He probably left for the money and to go back to WB style footy. That is fine, he did what he needed here and we can move on.
 
jd87 said:
not fussed. it be a loss ? yes to some extend but just remember the real dominent clubs who have won the comp over the last few years have any of them paid over 1 mill for a prop?

we won it last year with the help of hass yes. but lets be honest it was mainly the reece walsh show.
if we didnt have hass and had another decent forward instead who is to say we would not of replicated the same result?

Only thing i will fear is the culture change. hass was a big part of the culture change imo. i hope the guys remaining can lift and keep the standards. Which might be double as hard if Hunt and Reyno all leave together.
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Xavier Willison was better in the GF than Payne.
 
xilliun said:
Usually when a player moves its because of money, opportunity, or legacy. I'll be ****ed if I can work out what the intentions are here.

Clearly it's not money - by contract at least.
Opportunity is already maxed out
Legacy - Wants to be a glen lazarus?
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Given any thought that it could be the actual Contract conditions that turned him. Something like yearly get out clauses for r360 or some utter cuck shit like that that Brisbane wasn't having a bar of but Souths would while also matching our price as well.

What ever it is I'll stand by Souths having shot themselves in the foot, half that teams over-paid and under-performing. Hope he likes Spoons because unless Bennet puts a broom through that place it's a wooden future.
 
Listening to beaks pod from this arvo, Souths apparently only have 4 players signed for 2028, so there is lotttts of cap space available in a couple years.

Very much doubt he went for the same money to a state where his money will get him less, but Im sure we'll keep hearing it was the same though for sure as that hits the Broncos in crisis sweetspot.

They also said on the same pod that Haas nearly joined Souths before us, and was quoted as saying he was a huge Sam Burgess fan and his dad was a huge Souths fan. Sam apparently brushed a game of Paynes he said he would watch which pissed Payne off, and he was set to join the Storm til Wayne rang and he came to Brissy.

Long of it all is there seems to be a bit more at play than he him just leaving for the same money to go elsewhere. Whether any of it comes out is another story.
 
Was speaking to a random local at the pub and he said there was a rumour a European finance person managed to arrange a very nice property for a very long term lease in potts point area. Some of shit you hear is crazy.
 
Think Haas was going whether we won last year or not.

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The biggest thing that pisses me off is the timing. If he always wanted to go then what an absolute wanker, a couple months ago there were heaps more middle options on the market. We dont need to replace him, we just need 2 solid middles with experience and then id spend that money elsewhere for sure.
 
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