POST GAME [Round 8, 2024] Broncos vs Wests Tigers

[broncos4life]

The player had the ball in one hand, why should he need to regather with both? And did his hand even definitively come away from it anyway? Some angles looked like he always had a finger on it. He clearly had control on put down.

Compare to the Roosters try a couple of weeks ago where the player clearly lost it, clear air between hand and ball when ball was on the ground but was given a try for the fans of something.

It isn’t hard to be consistent, this was far more a try than that trash.

It did come away and you need to regrip, where exactly did he regrip it? We all know the bunker is super inconsistent so I’m not sure what the point of talking about other decisions is.

 

[Super Freak]

You need to catch, hold or re-grip the ball. Placing your hand on the ball isn't either of those.

For an example on what you pretty much need to do when losing control of the ball while attempting to ground it.

 

[Foordy]

I can't believe this is still being argued about. both by us and the media.

take the try line out of it. if that exact thing happened 1m before the try line it would be ruled a knock on. and literally zero people would be complaining about it. basically what happened is he lost it and was unable to regather it before it hit the ground.

I also don't get people starting to compare this rule to grounding the ball from a kick. they are completely different situations.

 

[Midean]

Its controversial for a reason, regardless of the stupid fucken rule they put in.

Thats a try. Every. Day. OF. THE. WEEK.

its not like the NRL enforces their own rules on a regular basis anyway.
Every game there is a terrible call going one way or the other.

Api was given a try on the field and there is no way it should have been overturned.
I could give a **** if there was a brief moment of "separation" or the ball bobbles in his hand.
I rewatched it again a few times and the ball moves under his palm, as Sproj said, there is even an argument he never even lost contact with the ball, so it just moved in his hand, no separation.

I cant understand how you guys are calling this black and white a no try when its contentious at best.
The rule they changed is stupid (must regather with both hands) how does this apply when planting the ball with one hand?

Fucken dumb.
The entire 360 panel besides Rothfield the old clown thought it was a try.

Gus is right.

'Our game is so stupid': Gould tears into NRL

'What the hell was that?'

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[Midean]

I can't believe this is still being argued about. both by us and the media.

take the try line out of it. if that exact thing happened 1m before the try line it would be ruled a knock on. and literally zero people would be complaining about it. basically what happened is he lost it and was unable to regather it before it hit the ground.

I also don't get people starting to compare this rule to grounding the ball from a kick. they are completely different situations.

You cant compare the two at all.

No one is extending an arm to slam the ball down outside of the tryline, so the comparison is pointless.
If what Api did was in the field of play, then we would all be scratching our heads why he did it and move on.
But he did it in the act of slamming the ball down. There is movement of the ball in the process of that, but he has full control and downward pressure on the ball when it matters.
It was NEVER a knock-on as it never touch the ground or anything else before he planted it.

 

[Super Freak]

He can't re-grip the ball when he's stretching out with one arm to plant the ball down, that's the risk you take when you do that instead of trying to use both hands.

There were two camera angles that showed clear separation.

It's no try.

 

[Foordy]

Thats a try. Every. Day. OF. THE. WEEK.

That is a lie Donald Trump would be proud of ...

It has been consistently rule a NO TRY for years

 

[Midean]

That is a lie Donald Trump would be proud of ...

It has been consistently rule a NO TRY for years

Nah, mate, the fact that it is so divided means it has not been a consistent rule for years, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation, and you wouldn't have RL commentators and the like calling it nonsense.

if it was as cut and dry as people are suggesting, then it wouldn't be discussed at all.
But it is being discussed, and there is a reason for that.

In a situation where you are slamming the ball down one handed, why should you have to regather with 2 hands for it to be considered regathered?
Why is it a knock on when the ball never touches anything else before he gets his hand back on the ball and puts downward pressure on it?

We can score tries by slamming our body or forearm down on the ball, and that's fine, but you cant do that with the hand apparently.
Its bonkers.

 

[Midean]

He can't re-grip the ball when he's stretching out with one arm to plant the ball down, that's the risk you take when you do that instead of trying to use both hands.

There were two camera angles that showed clear separation.

It's no try.

**** this re-grip nonsense.

All you have to do is control the ball and apply downward pressure.
You dont have to hold the ball at all.

How do you grip a ball putting a try down with the torso or forearm?

The ball doesn't touch anyone or anything before he plants it with controlled downward pressure.

 

[Midean]

We have seen try's scored, at speed where the player gets the lightest, briefest touch of a finger grazing the ball over the try line and its awarded.
Api clearly had more control over the ball than those situations.
it is NOT a knock on, as the ball didnt touch the ground, or anything else before he plants it in a controlled fashion with downward pressure and no separation at the point the ball touches the ground.

If a knock on only requires separation now, then every single bobble of the ball, regardless of regather needs to be called a knock on, because that is what every one of you is implying.

Are you saying he had zero control over the ball when he planted it down with force? did the ball bounce from his hand onto the ground? Or did the ball move, and he reapplied controlled downward force to the ball and plant it?

Seriously, how is this even being argued now.
No one is denying there was ball movement in the air, there certainly was. But there WAS NO KNOCK ON!
THERE WAS CONTROLLED DOWNWARD PRESSURE AND HE PLANTED THE BALL!

 

[Culhwch]

No one is extending an arm to slam the ball down outside of the tryline, so the comparison is pointless.
If what Api did was in the field of play, then we would all be scratching our heads why he did it and move on.

Very similar action in playing the ball. Knock on every time.

 

[Foordy]

All you have to do is control the ball and apply downward pressure.
You dont have to hold the ball at all.

What bloody planet are you on ... The rulebook literally uses the word "hold"

 

[Culhwch]

We have seen try's scored, at speed where the player gets the lightest, briefest touch of a finger grazing the ball over the try line and its awarded.
Api clearly had more control over the ball than those situations.

It's a different rule for kicks or loose balls.

it is NOT a knock on, as the ball didnt touch the ground, or anything else before he plants it in a controlled fashion with downward pressure and no separation at the point the ball touches the ground.

If a knock on only requires separation now, then every single bobble of the ball, regardless of regather needs to be called a knock on, because that is what every one of you is implying.

No, no one is implying that. But if the ball touches the ground or an opposition player prior to control being regained, it's always a knock on.

 

[Culhwch]

I wonder how many Bronco fans would be insisting it was a try if it had been awarded and we'd lost by two points.

 

[Midean]

What bloody planet are you on ... The rulebook literally uses the word "hold"

How do you hold the ball planting with torso or forearm?

 

[Big Pete]

This isn't a new rule. When the NRL modified the grounding rules, it was for instances where the ball would rotate in a player's hands signalling a loss of control. That doesn't cover clear separation which there was and for whatever reason Annesley kept showing the worse angle which made it more confusing.

The side-on from the hard camera showed it and the put-down was suss from the get go. Whenever you see a loose carry like Koroisau's it's always worth a review.

When Kotoni got away with his against Souths back in 2020, it was before the bunker's ability to review the on-field decision of try. This is an innovation of the bunker being able to check the finer details which is fine.

 

[Midean]

I wonder how many Bronco fans would be insisting it was a try if it had been awarded and we'd lost by two points.

You reckon that's given no try if its deciding a grand final?

 

[Midean]

This isn't a new rule. When the NRL modified the grounding rules, it was for instances where the ball would rotate in a player's hands signalling a loss of control. That doesn't cover clear separation which there was and for whatever reason Annesley kept showing the worse angle which made it more confusing.

The side-on from the hard camera showed it and the put-down was suss from the get go. Whenever you see a loose carry like Koroisau's it's always worth a review.

When Kotoni got away with his against Souths back in 2020, it was before the bunker's ability to review the on-field decision of try. This is an innovation of the bunker being able to check the finer details which is fine.

It's ruining the game imo.
At normal speed on any given day that's a try.

If you slow it down to 100fps its questionable.

Cant stand these rule changes sometimes.

Ive literally watched 3 different shows that have reviewed this situation and literally no one agree's on it.

Its either a blatant no try, or a ridiculous call.

As i said, the 360 panel (not the brightest of sparks but still) where arguing over it.
Gus unleashed both barrels on it.
And its been blasted by numerous other footy pundits on X and reddit etc etc.

I hate that it was given no try, when in my opinion he did enough to score.
The ref on field gave it.
There was no knock on.
He applies controlled downward pressure.

If we can score a try by slamming our body/forearm down on a ball (which has considerably less control over the ball than api did slamming it down with his hand) then it should be fine if the ball has movement in the hand, so long as it touches nothing after the fact, and the ball is planted with control.

Frustrating NRL.