Six Agains

Do you still watch the NRL outside Broncos games?

  • Yes and I love six agains

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes but I hate six agains

    Votes: 31 56.4%
  • Yes and I am agnostic about six agains

    Votes: 4 7.3%
  • No and I hate six agains

    Votes: 19 34.5%
  • No but I love six agains

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No but I am agnostic about six agains

    Votes: 1 1.8%
  • I love six agains and I am not a Broncos supporter

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I hate six agains and I am not a Broncos supporter

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I couldn't care less about six agains

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    55
I still watch every game i can regardless of Broncos playing or not but i don't think the game is better with the current rule changes than say 10 years ago but maybe i am just getting old.

I'm not against the 6 again concept but it just creates a momentum in games that is really hard to turn around and can take the enjoyment out of a game when the game can effectively be over 30mins in. Yes it also enables teams to come back late in a game but as a neutral i often don't care enough to will a team to do it so the actual enjoyment of watching a competitive back and forth game is less.

I think i spite watch games more now than for actual entertainment...i watch hoping a team i hate like the Storm will lose, preferably by some dodgy calls for the drama, and when they are up 20+ lose interest and go on my phone.

The rule that really pisses me off though is the ****ed up idea that an attacking player can no longer look to bat a ball back one handed. The idea of having to bat a ball back using 2 hands is ****ing mental and not even a natural movement vs. one handed. Was it really that broken using 1 hand that this needed to change, madness imo.
 
I still watch every game i can regardless of Broncos playing or not but i don't think the game is better with the current rule changes than say 10 years ago but maybe i am just getting old.

I'm not against the 6 again concept but it just creates a momentum in games that is really hard to turn around and can take the enjoyment out of a game when the game can effectively be over 30mins in. Yes it also enables teams to come back late in a game but as a neutral i often don't care enough to will a team to do it so the actual enjoyment of watching a competitive back and forth game is less.

I think i spite watch games more now than for actual entertainment...i watch hoping a team i hate like the Storm will lose, preferably by some dodgy calls for the drama, and when they are up 20+ lose interest and go on my phone.

The rule that really pisses me off though is the ****ed up idea that an attacking player can no longer look to bat a ball back one handed. The idea of having to bat a ball back using 2 hands is ****ing mental and not even a natural movement vs. one handed. Was it really that broken using 1 hand that this needed to change, madness imo.
You can bat the ball back with 1 hand you just have to go up with 2 hands. I'm not sure on this one but the players bought this on by pretending to be playing at the ball when they were just taking out the catcher.
Once again, instead of growing a set and making a call on the infringement, the game changes a rule.
 
I think the worst part about them is that they disappear in big games like finals and origin, so you're essentially watching a different product for 90% of the year and then the game is totally different when it matters.

Even in soufs v rorters the 6 agains seemed to get put away by the ref.

EDIT: A better solution would be to not have 6 agains but use the sin bin more often for teams like the rorters who give away blatant infringements to reset their D. I know the NRL hates binning players, so I'd even cop a scenario where the penalised player has to leave the field for that set of D.
 
Just saw a thread pop up on Reddit about panthers deliberately giving away six agains and a part of the article for timing of six agains is below.

"The Panthers have conceded the most set restarts of any team across the first three rounds (21). Tellingly, 18 of those 21 have come on either the first or second tackle of a set."

I knew the count would be high for early six agains, but I did not expect it to be around 90%!!!
 
Section of the levels podcast recently were talking about it in regard to Penrith as well. Think a punter even wrote in and mentioned there was several instances where they were kicking shorter or not rapid on kick chase, so that the first tackle would be over the 20, to allow for them slow the ruck and only give away a set restart at worst, not a penalty.

I hate that this is the sort of shit that works, but it clearly works.
 
Just saw a thread pop up on Reddit about panthers deliberately giving away six agains and a part of the article for timing of six agains is below.

"The Panthers have conceded the most set restarts of any team across the first three rounds (21). Tellingly, 18 of those 21 have come on either the first or second tackle of a set."

I knew the count would be high for early six agains, but I did not expect it to be around 90%!!!
interesting i dont recall many sin bins for them
 
I caught just a moment of it on the radio last night, someone was talking about this, and that it's a mandate for the Panthers - in defence, if they do not win the first tackle, they've been instructed to give away an early 6-again so they can set their line and get on the front foot. Maybe not that tackle, but it will be tackle 1 or 2, early enough for it to only give the opposition one or two extra tackles, but it's worth it for them to be able to set their line and leave (early) on the next tackle.
 
This is not news, it's exactly the reason why they brought in the 40m rule for 6 agains in the first place.

Penrith don't win the premiership one time and now we've gotta go back to that bullshit to keep the dynasty going.
 
This is not news, it's exactly the reason why they brought in the 40m rule for 6 agains in the first place.

Penrith don't win the premiership one time and now we've gotta go back to that bullshit to keep the dynasty going.
And just so happens that Ivan was one of the coaches invited to the off season review of the rules committee
 
And just so happens that Ivan was one of the coaches invited to the off season review of the rules committee

It's such a rort that they weren't all involved. I get the logistics would be tough but sure, let's invite a bunch of the most successful coaches to determine the rules. That'll work....
 
Anyone in any role at any club is not going to have the interests of the game at heart. They obviously all want what's best for their club and want rules that are best suited to their club. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's why asking the clubs what to do for rule changes is never going to work.

Only having some of the coaches present to determine rules is ridiculous. In fact, having coaches in general is pretty ridiculous. A coach that has a "big" forward pack doesn't want the game refereed the same as someone who has assembled a mobile pack.
 
Anyone in any role at any club is not going to have the interests of the game at heart. They obviously all want what's best for their club and want rules that are best suited to their club. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's why asking the clubs what to do for rule changes is never going to work.

Only having some of the coaches present to determine rules is ridiculous. In fact, having coaches in general is pretty ridiculous. A coach that has a "big" forward pack doesn't want the game refereed the same as someone who has assembled a mobile pack.

And that’s exactly what happened when the comp resumed in 2020 and we got spooned.

Not absolving Seibs from being a dogshit coach, but he had a pack that was absolutely screwed by that rule and we saw the result
 

Speed kills: How the six again rule tilted the balance of power in the NRL​

Story by Roy Masters

The NRL club bosses who voted unanimously to reject Australian Rugby League Commission chief Peter V’landys’ change to the kick-off rule would have had second thoughts after Penrith became the first team in premiership history to win a season’s opening five games by 20 points plus. Some of the tries the Panthers and other teams have scored were consecutive, without the opposition touching the ball, whereas the V’landys rule would have allowed the non-scoring team the option of receiving from the kick-off.

Now, however, after Penrith were humiliated 32-16 by the Bulldogs who scored the opening three tries, maybe the Panthers would like the mercy rule as well. With a Panther sinbinned and Canterbury capitalising on three repeat sets to Penrith’s one, scoring their second try off one, coach Ivan Cleary would have welcomed the opportunity to receive the ball from the kick-off. Five minutes after the Panthers drew level, Bulldogs forward Jacob Preston scored following successive six agains and Penrith did not score again.

There is a clear link between repeat sets and the need for an optional kick-off rule but remarkably, when the NRL summoned their most experienced and successful coaches, including Souths’ Wayne Bennett, Penrith’s Ivan Cleary, Melbourne’s Craig Bellamy, Brisbane’s Michael Maguire and Canberra’s Ricky Stuart to a December meeting to discuss the proposed rule changes, no-one voiced any concern that the expanded remit of the six again rule from the 20-metre line would render a change to the kick-off rule inevitable.
Perhaps Bennett – a vocal advocate of both repeat sets and a change to the kick-off rule – saw the link then but said nothing at the meeting, although he was very forceful in seeking an expanded number of bench players.

Speed has become the defining element of the game, and it was the difference when premiers Brisbane lost to the Cowboys. The Dragons are winless, and their spine is the slowest in the NRL, unable to make a break, or capitalise on one. The clubs who load up their bench with plodding middles and have halves slow in the hands and feet haven’t adapted to the faster rucks. The Panthers are still the team to beat for the premiership, partly because the expanded use of repeat sets suits them.

Repeat sets and, importantly, the fear of conceding them, results in quick play-the-balls which offer opportunities for running halves and locks. Penrith has the best in Nathan Cleary and Isaah Yeo who is running more and linking less. They have reversed the order of an attacking set, playing adlib off the early gaps and then exploiting the momentum with rehearsed plays.

The Panthers don’t have a middle forward on the bench. Scott Sorensen is filling that role and is offloading the ball. However, the Bulldogs loss exposed Penrith’s vulnerabilities, particularly a defensive disconnect on the left side between five-eighth Blaize Talagi and centre Casey McLean. Coach Cleary will fix this, but his squad lacks depth. The Panthers have a super 13 but not 17. Furthermore, Origin will stall them to the extent they have four certain selections for NSW, and possibly seven.


Bennett, as a seven-time premiership winning coach with more than 40 years at six clubs (including the Broncos and Rabbitohs twice), is entitled to have an influence on the game’s rules. He has also been an advocate of more expansive play in the back field, as opposed to the Panthers’ formula of using their backs to carry the ball out of their own half, without a forward touching it.

When I asked coaches such as Bellamy or Stuart why they don’t release a forward to link with the backs, akin to Manly’s Steve Menzies attacking the halfway line as if it were the tryline, they argue forwards are already fatigued. True, when fans see forwards saunter for three tackles to join the attack after a kick receipt, it is often assumed they are lazy, rather than exhausted.

Now, repeat sets are doing the job for them. A team receives from the kick-off, makes 30 metres in three tackles; a six again is awarded on tackle four, and they are over the half way line with a try coming. Rugby league’s most celebrated try – Alex Johnston breaking Ken Irvine’s 50-year-old try scoring record – came from a six again inside the Rabbitohs’ half when David Fifita passed to Latrell Mitchell who made a break and set up his left winger. Even the fittest of defences can’t stop a barrage of six agains, or a penalty/repeat set combined. The opening try in last year’s grand final came in the second minute when the Storm were penalised on the fifth tackle, a six again followed and then a Brisbane try.


According to NRL data, there have been more tries from a tackle set starting with a six again (22 per cent, compared to 18 per cent last year) and less from penalties (17 per cent this year, compared to 20 per cent). These statistics derive from the first six rounds and the trends are clear. Repeat sets lead to tries and increasingly the four pointers will start from a team’s own half.


V’landys has told a News Corp publication that “only Barney Rubble and Fred Flintstone don’t like the six again,” implying that its critics belong in the Stone Age. Former and current players and coaches appreciate the value of repeat sets in speeding up the game. The problem is almost no-one, other than the referee, knows the infringement which caused the referee to signal another six tackles. Rugby League Central has rejected the suggestion of the referee or bunker identifying the offence via his microphone, such as “Josh King holding down”, rather than the generic “ruck infringement”.

Furthermore, there is great disparity between the number of repeat sets called, with round 5 producing three in one game and 15 in another. The Eels conceded a single repeat set in round 3, were guilty of eight in round 5, and three in their loss to the Titans last week. Referee inconsistency, or Parramatta spooked?


With nearly half the games over the last two rounds blowouts, the balance between defence and attack has titled too far to attack. Newcastle were beaten by 20 points last weekend and won by 20 the previous round. The Titans lost by 14 points at home but won by 42 away over the same period.

Penrith were early masters of six again, gaming it when introduced to the extent they trapped the Bennett-coached Rabbitohs in their own half in the 2021 grand final, forcing the NRL to swap six agains for penalties.

Now, the NRL have swapped back and co-captain Yeo has denied they are again deliberately conceding repeat sets early in the tackle count. But he was guilty of the first two against the Bulldogs.

No team or player is exempt from them. The fear of six agains has led to faster rucks, more tries, including successive ones from a team’s own half. The game has changed. Speed now kills, especially if you don’t have it.
 
I am seeing more media types starting to be critical of 6 agains, which is good imo. Apparently Gould was having a go at them on Footy Classified or whatever Channel 9's version of NRL 360 is called.

I think it will go the way this article hints. Change the kickoff rule before the ugly **** admits his rule change sucks.
 
Six agains are Hitler’s baby, he isn’t going to remove them despite his words clearly revealing he knows no one likes them.

So he introduces a rule no one likes and changes the fabric of the game. What does he do? Walk it back? Nope double down and blame not changing another rule that’s part of the fabric of the game as the problem. In the meantime, insult your fans.
 
I still don't know why they moved it back to the 20m... this was always going to happen, because it already did in 2020/21... I think stats are saying six agains are even up from 2021, so it's potentially even worse than the worst year of footy in history.

Any media pundits that couldn't see that coming are either idiots or just playing along to stay in Vlando's good graces and kickbacks
 
coach Ivan Cleary would have welcomed the opportunity to receive the ball from the kick-off.

It`s not that simple ....
Maybe if the rule is you can`t contest the short kick off ?? Or the kick must go 40 metres so it can`t be contested ?

I see these rules as trying to imitate the best parts of Rugby Union .
Ball in play for long periods . Then contests for the ball .

When does lifting or letting team mates climb up on you to catch kicks become a thing
 
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