State of Origin II - NSW v Queensland - Pre-Match Discussion

[Big Pete]

Nobody called Gillett's performance 'great' yet we've seen ratings of 'fantastic' and 'phenomenal' for Taylor's performance. If it was THAT good I'd love to see how much you guys thought of Lillyman's performance? Legendary? Classic?

54m and the dumbest play of the game. It will go down with all the other 'fantastic' performances and will be remembered as fondly as Steve Price, Shane Webcke, Mat Scott and Petero Civoniceiva's stints.

 

[Qlder88]

As hard as it is to put aside the dodgy calls, I think last night proved that loyalty for the sake of loyalty is the worst way to pick a team. I understand that you shouldn't mess with something that's been working for 8 years but conversely, something that's been working for 8 years is only going to run out of steam eventually.
Would love to see some newbies next game

 

[teampjta]

As much as like to blame the refs, forwards etc I blame DCE and management for not having balls to drop him

You cant go into a decider with a one legged 7!

 

[Anonymous person]

54m and the dumbest play of the game. It will go down with all the other 'fantastic' performances and will be remembered as fondly as Steve Price, Shane Webcke, Mat Scott and Petero Civoniceiva's stints.

If McQueen is in position where he should be if he was actually a winger it could've been the best play of the game. Let's also not forget that McQueen dropped the ball while picking up the wayward pass, the pass wasn't forward or hard to take.

The dumbest play of the game was Gillett just constantly charging out of the line and constantly missing! Not once, not twice, but at least 5 times. It cost us so much field position it's not funny. He also knocked on twice.

Taylor made 54m from half as many hitups as Gillett, and 54 is almost spot on half of the metres that gillett made. Gillett played way more minutes than Taylor, so don't try and say his running metres was bad. For the time he got he was as effective at gaining metres as Gillett. In fact, Gillett should've made more than 12 runs in all his time on the field.

 

[theshed]

Really disappointed with a lot of the comments in this thread. The refs made poor calls both ways but they did slightly fall in nsw favour. Like it has many times before for QLD. Not to mention the only wrong call that directly effected the score board was bird getting penalised for having a foot on his neck (converted by thurston).

At the end of the day QLD didn't score any tries and DCE let in the simplest of tries to hosgkinson.

There's no arguing that the QLD team if the past 8 years has been the best assembled in RL history. But the bitter 8 in a row retort to the celebrating blues supporters is a cheap shot. This is sport, you're only as good as your last game (series) and NSW have been the better team this year.

Inglis needs to play fullback, that's just a fact. Billy is still a great player but his attack has been weak for a couple years now. A roaming ingles would almost rival Haynes efforts (except Hayne plays every position at some point in the game and does a better job than the player who actually plays there)

 

[Big Pete]

There were so many things wrong with the play.

Dave was brought in as a prop forward and had one clear instruction, run the ball, don't be a five eigth and he went against that taking the safe option.

McQueen isn't a winger, you know that, I know that, Dave Taylor who's played with him at both state and club should know that yet he decides to take it upon himself to try a play that was never on.

And he could have seen that IF HE LOOKED! The bare basics and Taylor failed.

Again, it'd be one thing if this was a one off but Dave has been a constant disappointment at Origin level and has done little at club level to warrant selection in the first place. All the criticisms were there - the soft runs, the bad defensive plays but the selectors got desperate and now he's played apart in ending the dynasty.

But hey, you can think it's a solid performance, more power to you - but fantastic? Get some perspective and stop resorting to hyperbole because you're too lazy to mount a decent argument.

 

[mitch222]

McQueen dropped the ball over the line and delivered yet again another shithouse performance. His form doesn't warrant being selected for game 3. As for that fucking imbecile Dave Taylor, the **** had one simple job, run up the middle and run fucking hard. No instead he tries to force a silly fucking offload in our territory which led to us not touching the ball for 7 sets. NSW scored off that to. Get the stamp out and stamp his file never to be selected again cause he just doesn't fucking listen.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

McQueen dropped the ball over the line and delivered yet again another shithouse performance. His form doesn't warrant being selected for game 3. As for that fucking imbecile Dave Taylor, the **** had one simple job, run up the middle and run fucking hard. No instead he tries to force a silly fucking offload in our territory which led to us not touching the ball for 7 sets. NSW scored off that to. Get the stamp out and stamp his file never to be selected again cause he just doesn't fucking listen.

If Mal selected Taylor to run up the middle, he's sillier than he looks. He won't run up the middle for the Tits, why would they expect him to do it in Origin?

 

[Anonymous person]

Again, it'd be one thing if this was a one off but Dave has been a constant disappointment at Origin level and has done little at club level to warrant selection in the first place.

You just described Gillett as well, you do realise? Taylor has been in better form than Gillett this year as well.

Calling Taylors pass the "soft option" is absolutely fucking ridiculous and you know it. It wasn't soft, he was trying to get our freaking team an attacking opportunity, of which we had had none for a while. The play was on, no look and all, but McQueen wasn't where he should have been. I know he's not a winger, but when you're put on the wing you should stay on the wing. If he had stayed there he would've been streaking down the sideline untouched and we'd be praising Taylor for the pass.

Like ivanhungryjak said, Taylor wasn't picked to be a no frills prop who is just supposed to hit it up in the middle. The fact that you think that was his only job shows how wrong you are.

Oh and Gillett missed far more tackles than NRLStats says because they don't count charging out of the line and not even getting a hand on a player as a missed tackle. He was atrocious in defense.

McQueen dropped the ball over the line and delivered yet again another ****house performance. His form doesn't warrant being selected for game 3. As for that ****ing imbecile Dave Taylor, the **** had one simple job, run up the middle and run ****ing hard. No instead he tries to force a silly ****ing offload in our territory which led to us not touching the ball for 7 sets. NSW scored off that to. Get the stamp out and stamp his file never to be selected again cause he just doesn't ****ing listen.

So Taylor caused Gillett to drop the ball twice within ~10 minutes?

 

[Bucking Beads]

The loss of Matt Scott killed us. He is our only prop who can make big strong runs through the middle. He won't be there for Origin 3 so I hope Mal brings in Lawerence or McGuire.

 

[Splinter]

You just described Gillett as well, you do realise? Taylor has been in better form than Gillett this year as well.

Calling Taylors pass the "soft option" is absolutely fucking ridiculous and you know it. It wasn't soft, he was trying to get our freaking team an attacking opportunity, of which we had had none for a while. The play was on, no look and all, but McQueen wasn't where he should have been. I know he's not a winger, but when you're put on the wing you should stay on the wing. If he had stayed there he would've been streaking down the sideline untouched and we'd be praising Taylor for the pass.

Like ivanhungryjak said, Taylor wasn't picked to be a no frills prop who is just supposed to hit it up in the middle. The fact that you think that was his only job shows how wrong you are.



So Taylor caused Gillett to drop the ball twice within ~10 minutes?

You are on a no win here AP. They showed Mal in the box when Taylor threw that pass and he was disgusted. No chance of another game

 

[Big Pete]

You just described Gillett as well, you do realise? Taylor has been in better form than Gillett this year as well.

You keep trying to turn this back on Gillett, like you actually think I give a damn if he keeps playing for Queensland or not?

Gillett has Taylor beaten in every facet at club level. It's where both belong.

 

[Anonymous person]

Gillett has Taylor beaten in every facet at club level.

Apart from actually performing at club level. Taylor has been killing it this year while Gillett plays well in patches and then just misses tackles, drops balls, and goes for shoulder charges that never connect. Gillett was terrible for the last 2 years and is only now starting to pick his act up again.

 

[Anonymous person]

You are on a no win here AP. They showed Mal in the box when Taylor threw that pass and he was disgusted. No chance of another game

I'm not saying he should get another game though, so I'm not exactly losing am I?

Like I said - the pass comes off and McQueen streaks away down the sideline and Taylors a hero.

 

[mitch222]

I'm not saying he should get another game though, so I'm not exactly losing am I?

Like I said - the pass comes off and McQueen streaks away down the sideline and Taylors a hero.

He forced a pass that simply was not on and at a crucial point in the game plus to rub it in, in our own half.

 

[mitch222]

The loss of Matt Scott killed us. He is our only prop who can make big strong runs through the middle. He won't be there for Origin 3 so I hope Mal brings in Lawerence or McGuire.

If McGuire doesn't get picked now then Mals got rocks in his head. I would probably get hannant aswell into the side.

 

[Bucking Beads]

The reality is Origin is not for DT. He can't play his natural game so he has no value to the team moving forward.

 

[Big Pete]

Apart from actually performing at club level. Taylor has been killing it this year while Gillett plays well in patches and then just misses tackles, drops balls, and goes for shoulder charges that never connect. Gillett was terrible for the last 2 years and is only now starting to pick his act up again.

Dave has improved but that's hardly surprising given that he was so terrible last year he was dropped to the bench and ultimately Queensland Cup.

Defensively he's been worse than Gillett. Makes less tackles and somehow his technique is even worse and easy to be exploited. Despite padding his stats with one good half of football against the Warriors (second half was terrible and every criticism ever made of Taylor came to life) he hasn't been as lethal as Gillett with the football and the only thing he's 'killed' is Titans scoring opportunities and given Cartwright is even worse at mapping an offensive plan than Griffin it's really telling.

Still a lot of footy left to be played but Gillett has clearly got him beat at this level.