The NRL draft **Bourbon Bec Warning**

[Ari Gold]

Let's say no club had picked him up yet or wanted him which is true-and then the Raiders picked him in the draft- do you think over the last 14 years Raiders fans would be saying 'whoopee do?'

If it is true no club wanted him back then why would anyone draft him back then? It's not like the Raiders couldn't have wanted him if they desired. Is there something in the proposal that exempts draft picks from salary caps or something?

I'm failing so far to see the value of allowing players who were unwanted by clubs to be drafted by clubs. Still concerned too that it may lead some juniors to choose union over league because of the potential uncertainty it would cause.

 

[1910]

I've read that Bennett wanted Cameron Smith and that he chose Melbourne over us .

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That's true, they did meet while he was at Logan but how does that change anything? He was still not contracted to anyone and still was 17 and not signed to a club until Storm/Hook picked him up.

If this system was in place he wouldn't been in Brisbane's top 5 and would of been able to be picked up by someone else as a 16/17 year old unwanted by anyone else.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

I can see why the clubs would support a draft. To have any hope of success, the financial heavy lifting would have to be taken from the clubs and given to the NRL.

 

[1910]

If it is true no club wanted him back then why would anyone draft him back then? It's not like the Raiders couldn't have wanted him if they desired. Is there something in the proposal that exempts draft picks from salary caps or something?

I'm failing so far to see the value of allowing players who were unwanted by clubs to be drafted by clubs. Still concerned too that it may lead some juniors to choose union over league because of the potential uncertainty it would cause.

The Dogs did take him if he played for nothing first year out of school he won a Flegg comp with Ricky as coach in '01. West and Dragons passed on him before that.

I haven't heard anything relating to the cap.

Your point about other codes is a good one.

I am not for it as such, but I am open minded to it.

 

[broncos4life]

Your current players are yours, if for example you had a player coming off contract and you want him and he wants to stay he just re-signs and job done.

If you don't want him and or he doesn't want you then he could nominate for the draft or you could do a deal with another club. That's when things like we will give you Hunt provide Hunt is happy to go to Melbourne if you give us your first two draft picks come into play.

Yeah but that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about a junior draft, as in before they have hit the nrl

 

[Cult]

It wasn't really a question, you mocked the idea based on your wrong assumption so you'd already decided you knew.

In further attempts to mock the idea your short sightedness has actually provided the perfect segway to argue for a draft.

Let's look at your scenario?

Instead of Donald Smith from All-Whites let's use a real player....

All Whites had a guy called J.Thurston from St.Mary's in Toowoomba playing for them when he was in Grade 11 and Grand 12.

Let's say no club had picked him up yet or wanted him which is true-and then the Raiders picked him in the draft- do you think over the last 14 years Raiders fans would be saying 'whoopee do?'

The first part was actually a question. The second part mocked it, yes. Because it's a silly idea.

Also I think the J.Thurston situation worked out pretty well despite not being wanted. I'm sure the Raiders would be enjoying the same amount of premierships the Cowboys have.

 

[I bleed Maroon]

It is nothing but yet another pig headed attempt to kneecap the bigger clubs (yes, Brisbane included) for the sake of giving a leg up to a few smaller clubs that will never be successful and the NRL know it. It's just easier to do this than to tell the fanbases of those clubs that "hey, the club you support is a basket case, and their existence is a handicap to the competitions growth, so we've decided to pull the pin. Also, we're scared shitless that the AFL will use the opportunity to jump in our grave, we just don't want to publicly say that."

 

[1910]

It is nothing but yet another pig headed attempt to kneecap the bigger clubs (yes, Brisbane included) for the sake of giving a leg up to a few smaller clubs that will never be successful and the NRL know it. It's just easier to do this than to tell the fanbases of those clubs that "hey, the club you support is a basket case, and their existence is a handicap to the competitions growth, so we've decided to pull the pin. Also, we're scared ****less that the AFL will use the opportunity to jump in our grave, we just don't want to publicly say that."

Broncos are for it.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Broncos are for it.

Well, they'd be silly to come out and say they're for it when they don't even know the detail of it yet. Smith has even said they haven't nutted out any details yet.

 

[1910]

Well, they'd be silly to come out and say they're for it when they don't even know the detail of it yet. Smith has even said they haven't nutted out any details yet.

They've been spoken to about the different proposals and ideas circulating.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Broncos are for it.

How would it be of benefit to Brisbane? Are they not confident of our own junior stocks we have coming through....?

 

[1910]

How would it be of benefit to Brisbane? Are they not confident of our own junior stocks we have coming through....?

White said the protected picks concept would be crucial to making an NRL draft work.

“Anything that puts a sharp focus on rewarding clubs in that area, we will be interested in,” White said.

“We are interested in the draft if it provided reward for investment in junior development and pathways.

“Junior development has been the cornerstone of this club since inception, in terms of identifying talent and investing in that talent through to the NRL level.
“If the clubs are incentivised in a real way to invest, that will have an overall benefit to the game.
“It (the draft) should help equalise investment which would be good for the game.”
In the AFL, only expansion clubs have first choice of players from their region and the AFL centrally funds the vast majority of the code’s junior development.
The AFL spends almost 20 million dollars on junior development each year and if the NRL introduces a draft system, they would have to significantly increase their development funding.
NRL clubs put juniors in their academy programs from as young as 15 where they receive expert coaching and train alongside the best players in their age group.

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[Mister Wright]

It's a myth that it weakens stronger clubs. There is a reason strong clubs are strong - because they're run well. Having a rookie draft helps the weaker performing teams on a year-to-year basis, but if that club doesn't have its shit together and they have a really good junior that junior will make their way to a stronger club eventually. Just look at the NBA. I don't think Miami have had a #1 draft pick in a long while and they've still made the finals 3 years in-a-row.

 

[Ari Gold]

That's a horrible example. They only did that because Lebron and Wade took massive pay cuts to get rings. Nothing really to do with their management and I doubt NRL would ever let the best players in our game sign for a new club at such discounted rates.

 

[Mister Wright]

That's beside the point. The point I was making that unless a club is well run getting a 'quality' junior doesn't fix everything. A quality junior is not going to stay at a club if they don't think that club is going to be successful.

 

[Foordy]

That's beside the point. The point I was making that unless a club is well run getting a 'quality' junior doesn't fix everything. A quality junior is not going to stay at a club if they don't think that club is going to be successful.

Exhibit A: the Canberra Raiders