NEWS Walters' record compares with early Broncos: Maranta

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Founding Brisbane Broncos chairman Barry Maranta has hit out at critics of coach Kevin Walters and says his first four seasons at the helm compare favourably with the initial four years of the club.

Walters has been savaged for missing finals for the third time in four seasons under his stewardship but founding coach Wayne Bennett had the same record from 1988-1991 before winning the first of his six titles.

"When we targeted Bennett we gave him five years to get us into a grand final. The team we delivered for him initially was a virtual State of Origin side," Maranta told AAP.

"We got into a grand final and won it (in 1992) in the fifth year.

"What I want to point out is that Kevin has had four years as coach and got us into a grand final in the third (in 2023) without the playing staff that we had then. No other Broncos coach has done that.

"The expectations have got quite stupid and the critics want to crucify Kevvie but people that don't understand history go off on a tangent and it doesn't help in any way."

Walters has been the subject of an online newspaper poll where the majority of respondents said he should be sacked. That won't happen as the club CEO Dave Donaghy has publicly stated. Maranta does not believe sacking coaches is the answer to the club's issues when they are performing poorly.

He put his money where his mouth is back in 1991 when the cacophony of external noise to sack Bennett was at its loudest.

"It was a Sunday night and we had just been beaten and I went home and was watching Channel 10," Maranta recalled.

"They were running a poll where they were asking people if they wanted Bennett sacked.

"I rang our media guy and I said, 'tell everyone in the media that I am going to make a statement on Monday'.

"Monday was the day Bennett used to talk to all the rugby league writers but instead of the usual four or five the whole place was chock-a-block with 30 or 40 media from every channel and outlet."

Maranta said Bennett's "eyes nearly popped out" but he told him not to worry as he fronted the press, who were expecting him to announce that the coach would be punted.

"I then made the statement, 'Thank you for attending. We have just extended Wayne's contract as coach for another five years'. That blew them all away," Maranta said.

Bennett, already on contract for 1992, won that year and added two more titles (1993 and 1997) in that period.

Maranta is convinced Walters will lead the Broncos to title glory and said calls for him to be sacked were just as out of order as the push for Bennett to be axed.

"I know Kevin is a Bronco through and through. He's had four or five different coaching jobs and has learned under Craig Bellamy and Wayne Bennett," Maranta said.

"He has done all the learning process and I know him as a serious competitor and someone that doesn't put up with mediocrity.

"Kevin understands our Broncos culture and that is significant when you appoint people."

Canberra Times
 
I've read lots of different opinions on whether Kevvie should be sacked or not and both sides are generally being treated respectfully by the other. There are a few outliers (on both sides) who treat those that hold a different opinion as if they are idiots, but that is definitely not the norm.

The rest are just having normal discussions without being overly dramatic about it.
Agreed, but when you have mods firing insults and vitriol at you without repercussion it kind of leaves a shitty taste in your mouth.
Im not innocent of being a smart ass but i try not to explicitly call people fucking idiots for having different opinions.
 
Because even coaches have the odd bad game?

Is Kev the only coach this season to make a poor decision?
Does it warrant being sacked?

That was an example .
There are several others I could dredge up if you aren`t convinced .
 
That was an example .
There are several others I could dredge up if you aren`t convinced .
Again, not saying kev is without fault, but do coaching errors in hindsight warrant sacking?
It's so easy to talk shit after the fact, he is a genius if it works and an imbecile if it doesn't.
 
It's fairer to compare Kev to Pies:

Wooden Spoons
Kev: 1 (Catalans)
Pies: 1 (technically Peter Gentle)

Career win ratio:
Kev: 46%
Pies: 49%

Current season win ratio:
Kev: 41%
Pies: 56%

Made finals
Kev: 2 out of 6
Pies: 3 out of 5

NRL coach of the year
Pies: 1
Kev: almost
 
Injuries are a cop out.

You can blame injuries for not making top 4 and the GF, but blaming injuries for not making the finals is ridiculous.

Round 1 vs Roosters, Round 12 vs Titans, Round 21 vs Bulldogs, Round 26 vs Dolphins. These were very winnable games. We should have won them, that would have been enough to make finals.

There's more games that were winnable (Round 14 vs Sharks, Round 19 vs Dragons, Round 22 vs Titans for example), but the 4 games above were the most winnable.

Even just the Round 1 vs Roosters, Round 12 vs Titans where they were fielding a reserve grade side and Round 21 vs Bulldogs where we were full strength minus Piakura would have been enough to make finals.

The attitude in 3 of those game absolutely stunk and it's the coaches job to motivate their players. When our season was on the line, he couldn't get the side up for the games.
 
Injuries have played a part, no doubt, but as @Wolfie and others have pointed out numerous times - it's our lack of structure and cohesion in our play that is most concerning.

There appears to be no discernible game plan or tactical organisation every time we step out on the field.

That's the biggest red flag for me.

I'm okay to give Kev one more run at it, but a hell of a lot needs to change. 90% of the squad needs a rocket and Kev has the responsibility to deliver it.
 
I didn't want my first post back to be a negative one..

@Midean could you name a positive thing Walters did this year? His selections were poor, his bench use was poor, we don't have a single set play and everything we do is solo brilliance. That same solo brilliance was what got us to the GF, unfortunately when that doesn't work we have absolutely nothing to fall back on. Very few tries were scored from anything that was coached. On top of that, the fact we were still trying short drop outs in the final round after succeeding in about zero of them all season is poor coaching.

I love having Walters at the club. I always said if he was our coach we needed the best assistants under him. Unfortunately the assistants were distracted this season and we had absolutely nothing all season. I just don't think anyone in the team knows their role, and that's on the coach.
 
Injuries are a cop out.

You can blame injuries for not making top 4 and the GF, but blaming injuries for not making the finals is ridiculous.

Round 1 vs Roosters, Round 12 vs Titans, Round 21 vs Bulldogs, Round 26 vs Dolphins. These were very winnable games. We should have won them, that would have been enough to make finals.

There's more games that were winnable (Round 14 vs Sharks, Round 19 vs Dragons, Round 22 vs Titans for example), but the 4 games above were the most winnable.

Even just the Round 1 vs Roosters, Round 12 vs Titans where they were fielding a reserve grade side and Round 21 vs Bulldogs where we were full strength minus Piakura would have been enough to make finals.

The attitude in 3 of those game absolutely stunk and it's the coaches job to motivate their players. When our season was on the line, he couldn't get the side up for the games.
Yea man, injuries play no part at all /eyeroll.
Take any team in the comp and remove their spine through injury and they will falter, but nope lnjuries are a cop-out.
 
I didn't want my first post back to be a negative one..

@Midean could you name a positive thing Walters did this year? His selections were poor, his bench use was poor, we don't have a single set play and everything we do is solo brilliance. That same solo brilliance was what got us to the GF, unfortunately when that doesn't work we have absolutely nothing to fall back on. Very few tries were scored from anything that was coached. On top of that, the fact we were still trying short drop outs in the final round after succeeding in about zero of them all season is poor coaching.

I love having Walters at the club. I always said if he was our coach we needed the best assistants under him. Unfortunately the assistants were distracted this season and we had absolutely nothing all season. I just don't think anyone in the team knows their role, and that's on the coach.
Well I guess the simple one is, even with all the injuries to key positions, we were not in the bottom four.
I have to keep reiterating that I don't think kev is exempt from scrutiny, just that I don't think this season warrants him being sacked.
 
Yea man, injuries play no part at all /eyeroll.
Take any team in the comp and remove their spine through injury and they will falter, but nope lnjuries are a cop-out.

Don't get too worked up about it, time is not on the side of the fairweather fan. This off season is the only thing they've got.

By the way, it doesn't matter who the next bloke is, the knives were out in 2022.
 
Well I guess the simple one is, even with all the injuries to key positions, we were not in the bottom four.
I have to keep reiterating that I don't think kev is exempt from scrutiny, just that I don't think this season warrants him being sacked.
Sorry, I don't think that's a positive. Even with the injuries we had a better team than a few of the teams that got into the top 8.
 
Sorry, I don't think that's a positive. Even with the injuries we had a better team than a few of the teams that got into the top 8.
Fair enough. Do you think he deserves the sacking though? Or more time to prove himself considering we did get to a grand final with him?
 
It's fairer to compare Kev to Pies:

Wooden Spoons
Kev: 1 (Catalans)
Pies: 1 (technically Peter Gentle)

Career win ratio:
Kev: 46%
Pies: 49%

Current season win ratio:
Kev: 41%
Pies: 56%

Made finals
Kev: 2 out of 6
Pies: 3 out of 5

NRL coach of the year
Pies: 1
Kev: almost
I’m on the sack Kev train because our structure and effort was pathetic this year, but imagine Seibs’ record this year if he lost dce and turbo for 10 games
 
Fair enough. Do you think he deserves the sacking though? Or more time to prove himself considering we did get to a grand final with him?
I would say he deserves to be sacked based on actual coaching progression. Unfortunately even in that GF year, we got there on solo brilliance. It was a lot of fun but it's obviously not sustainable. There were so many noticeable coaching deficiencies this year that had me scratching my head. Almost every week. I don't think coaching/game plan/ improvement is visible, do you?
 
Why did we have the structure last year but not this year? That is what I want to know. I'm happy to give Kev one more shot at it but if 12 weeks into next season we have not shown marked improvement, I'm open to bringing someone else in, just want to make sure it is the right person.
 
Why did we have the structure last year but not this year? That is what I want to know. I'm happy to give Kev one more shot at it but if 12 weeks into next season we have not shown marked improvement, I'm open to bringing someone else in, just want to make sure it is the right person.
Did we have structure last year? I know we were better defensively, but even in attack it was simply solo brilliance that got most of our points. Reynolds was there more often giving us some structure, but everything else just seemed to fall into place by fluke
 
Did we have structure last year? I know we were better defensively, but even in attack it was simply solo brilliance that got most of our points. Reynolds was there more often giving us some structure, but everything else just seemed to fall into place by fluke

I've pointed it out before, look at some of the posts @Dazza 92 put up in 2023, there was some clear and very effective structure, it was impressive. This whole revisionist individual brilliance / we fluked it thing has crept in this season because things have gone badly. It doesn't change the fact we had some fantastic structure in 2023, why it disappeared this year is the real question I want answered.
 

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