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matiunz - nzwarriors.com
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The gulf in teams is becoming wider and wider
This year yet?
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matiunz - nzwarriors.com
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matiunz - nzwarriors.com JOINED: .July 15, 2013
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The gulf in teams is becoming wider and wider
This year yet?
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jonesy101 - nzwarriors.com
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That's a really interesting concept for the salary cap, kind of like a variation on the US draft system from season to season. Personally I'm a bit on the fence with anything rewarding a bad season and disadvantaging a good one in any way.
Kimlo - broncoshq.com JOINED: .April 25, 2008
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Easy fix. Base salary cap for all teams. 1-8% bonus cap per ladder position for the bottom 8, spooners get an extra 8%, 9th get 1% and you'd obviously need to move player signings to an end of season window only.
As it is now, top teams are effectively operating at up to a 10% bonus just by virtue of being able to pay less because they're successful.
That extra million for the wooden spooners gives the fans hope, and pots more pressure on the top clubs to have to pay up.
Or you know, get rid of the salary cap entirely.
jonesy101 - nzwarriors.com JOINED: .August 28, 2016
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That's a really interesting concept for the salary cap, kind of like a variation on the US draft system from season to season. Personally I'm a bit on the fence with anything rewarding a bad season and disadvantaging a good one in any way.
The salary cap is far from perfect, but I'm not sure of a better system in terms of "fairness" for all clubs. So many factors come into play. The Warrior and Canberra are at a disadvantage due to geographical location, while the Roosters, Broncos and Titans have an advantage there for example.
With the exception of the Storm (at the top) and Tigers (struggling) its been pretty cyclic for clubs over the last decade moving up and down the ladder. Things have been skewed more than usual the last couple of seasons, but 2018 was extremely close. We are already seeing the Sharks benefit from getting a gun player the Storm were unable to retain due to the cap and are now working their way back up to being a top 4 side. The Eels are also on the way up. The Raiders managed to get to the grand final a couple of seasons ago and without the controversy, had a good chance of winning. The Bunnies were last years grand finalists but seem to be in a state of transition.
The reality is 50% of teams must lose in a weekend. If we got rid of the salary cap though, 50% of teams would cease to exist.
You make a lot of good points but I feel the comp is slowly transitioning to a soccer competition where the top few clubs are entrenched and the bottom few can't compete because players are taking less to get a taste of success.
jonesy101 - nzwarriors.com JOINED: .August 28, 2016
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That's a really interesting concept for the salary cap, kind of like a variation on the US draft system from season to season. Personally I'm a bit on the fence with anything rewarding a bad season and disadvantaging a good one in any way.
The salary cap is far from perfect, but I'm not sure of a better system in terms of "fairness" for all clubs. So many factors come into play. The Warrior and Canberra are at a disadvantage due to geographical location, while the Roosters, Broncos and Titans have an advantage there for example.
With the exception of the Storm (at the top) and Tigers (struggling) its been pretty cyclic for clubs over the last decade moving up and down the ladder. Things have been skewed more than usual the last couple of seasons, but 2018 was extremely close. We are already seeing the Sharks benefit from getting a gun player the Storm were unable to retain due to the cap and are now working their way back up to being a top 4 side. The Eels are also on the way up. The Raiders managed to get to the grand final a couple of seasons ago and without the controversy, had a good chance of winning. The Bunnies were last years grand finalists but seem to be in a state of transition.
The reality is 50% of teams must lose in a weekend. If we got rid of the salary cap though, 50% of teams would cease to exist.
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jonesy101 - nzwarriors.com
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I've never been to a game in Sydney, but wouldn't like the thought of extinguishing up to 100 years of history with many of those clubs. Would be a very sad day.
Sproj - broncoshq.com JOINED: .September 5, 2013
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Good, blow it up and start again with less Sydney teams.
jonesy101 - nzwarriors.com JOINED: .August 28, 2016
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I've never been to a game in Sydney, but wouldn't like the thought of extinguishing up to 100 years of history with many of those clubs. Would be a very sad day.
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Miket12 - nzwarriors.com
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jonesy101 - nzwarriors.com
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I can't speak for everyone, but it definitely would for me and no doubt would for the long term supporters of any of those long established and proud clubs. The hurt that was caused from the removal of the Bunnies and the North Sydney Bears should not be repeated.
Sproj - broncoshq.com JOINED: .September 5, 2013
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Would it? If the teams were distributed more evenly, wouldn't that lead to more fans and more investment as teams become representative of their area.
That said, the FAR more important thing is to bring in a draft system and trade window OR reward teams that develop.
The trade window gives development clubs a chance to lock up players they have developed, before the usual suspects come sniffing around a year out from the end of their contracts. Completely derailing any long term plan a team has. It will also force said teams to actually put some effort into development and improving the overall quality of players.
jonesy101 - nzwarriors.com JOINED: .August 28, 2016
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I can't speak for everyone, but it definitely would for me and no doubt would for the long term supporters of any of those long established and proud clubs. The hurt that was caused from the removal of the Bunnies and the North Sydney Bears should not be repeated.
The admission of the Dolphins into the comp is the right move as it makes sense to reintroduce 3 teams in the population centre of South Queensland. A club in Perth in the long term for an 18 team comp also makes sense as they seem to get a fair bit of support when games are played there. Let's see how that plays out before doing anything too radical.
I agree with the trade window and even more so rewarding teams that develop and therefore having club culture strengthened with players sticking with a club. A one club player is all too rare these days, a reality of the salary cap which is one aspect I don't like about it. Would still rather have it than not though.
jonesy101 - nzwarriors.com JOINED: .August 28, 2016
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I can't speak for everyone, but it definitely would for me and no doubt would for the long term supporters of any of those long established and proud clubs. The hurt that was caused from the removal of the Bunnies and the North Sydney Bears should not be repeated.
The admission of the Dolphins into the comp is the right move as it makes sense to reintroduce 3 teams in the population centre of South Queensland. A club in Perth in the long term for an 18 team comp also makes sense as they seem to get a fair bit of support when games are played there. Let's see how that plays out before doing anything too radical.
I agree with the trade window and even more so rewarding teams that develop and therefore having club culture strengthened with players sticking with a club. A one club player is all too rare these days, a reality of the salary cap which is one aspect I don't like about it. Would still rather have it than not though.
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I wonder how much TPAs are spoiling the field? How seriously is the NRL looking to make sure clubs are paying their players fair market value rather than underpaying a player by, say, 100K Per Season which is picked up by Joey's Biffo Services paying that player 100K in a TPA deal?That's a really interesting concept for the salary cap, kind of like a variation on the US draft system from season to season. Personally I'm a bit on the fence with anything rewarding a bad season and disadvantaging a good one in any way.
The salary cap is far from perfect, but I'm not sure of a better system in terms of "fairness" for all clubs. So many factors come into play. The Warriors and Canberra are at a disadvantage due to geographical location, while the Roosters, Broncos and Titans have an advantage there for example.
mrblonde - nzwarriors.com JOINED: .April 13, 2012
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I wonder how much TPAs are spoiling the field? How seriously is the NRL looking to make sure clubs are paying their players fair market value rather than underpaying a player by, say, 100K Per Season which is picked up by Joey's Biffo Services paying that player 100K in a TPA deal?
Also, your point about geographical location is bang on. Giving the Warriors an extra, say, $1.5m Salary Cap doesn't magically move the club closer to where an Aussie player might like the club to be.
There's also a club's current or past form or believability of a club's bright future to consider. Would a player not touch the Tigers as of right now suddenly be keen as heck when there's an extra $200k thrown his way?
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Wrighty - nzwarriors.com
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NRL should not have allowed this to happen
Midean - broncoshq.com JOINED: .June 5, 2019
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He took less pay to play for a better side.
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jonesy101 - nzwarriors.com
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The objective of the salary cap is a good one - to even out the competition. But as you've pointed out it should definitely be far more transparent in its execution to avoid actual misuse and the speculation that happen without having all the detail, particularly with respect to third party agreements etc.
Sproj - broncoshq.com JOINED: .September 5, 2013
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I get your points about the history of clubs but of what benefit is the salary cap? Even out the competition? Doesn't work when you have players from struggling clubs going to good clubs for less money. Doesn't work when you have the same teams (who both have questionable cap histories) in the Roosters and/or Storm competing in/winning the GF almost every year. The NRL's salary cap auditor is an honorary member of the Roosters and the Storm's ways have been well documented AND have just had a gambling venture approved by the NRL where they don't need to declare what the players are doing / getting. What is the point of a salary cap if these sorts of things are allowed to happen?
jonesy101 - nzwarriors.com JOINED: .August 28, 2016
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The objective of the salary cap is a good one - to even out the competition. But as you've pointed out it should definitely be far more transparent in its execution to avoid actual misuse and the speculation that happen without having all the detail, particularly with respect to third party agreements etc.
Without the cap I'm pretty sure the club I've supported from childhood for 27 years would have ceased to exist along with several others though.
A salary cap combined with rewarding club development is achieving both needs.
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Sledge - nzwarriors.com
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Are Manly getting two sides?
DSM5 - silvertails.net JOINED: .February 27, 2005
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Don’t worry the NRL are about to introduce another bottom four club.