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I think there is a lot more to it than just trophies won, because trophies won just show that you were part of a successful team. Should a 3rd string keeper who wins everything multiple times be considered a goat even though their impact was minimal?The whole debate about Messi or Ronaldo being the GOAT has been trophies won.
Messi has more domestic titles, but Ronaldo has more Champions League titles. Both have had success with their countries, Ronaldo with the Euro and Messi with the Copa America. When Messi won the World Cup, that put him clear.
But if Ronaldo wins it this tournament, he would have a World Cup and a Euro trophy to his name and frankly a Euro trophy is harder to win than a Copa America.
Why would that not put him clear?
But of course I guess it all depends on whether people think either of them are the GOAT and the kind of role Ronaldo has this tournament. If he's nothing more than a bit part player, kind of ruins it for him.
https://michelacosta.com/messi-vs-ronaldo/ paints a good picture.
As for what's better the euros or copa america - not like Argentina can relocate where they are geographically to start playing in the euro's so it's a bit of a moot point - I will say that the Euro's that Ronaldo won, he didn't actually do much and was actually subbed off injured in the final. Not downplaying his role in getting them to that point, just in the actual final itself. Messi's contributions in Copa America finals has generally been similarly below standard, so probably a bit of a tie there.
If you look at WC performances between the two:
https://www.messivsronaldo.app/international-stats/world-cup-stats/ - go to detailed stats. Messi basically beats him on every stat. I think the glaring one for me is MOTM. Like him or not Messi generally speaking has an impact in the majority of games he plays. Unless Ronaldo gets service, he's generally peripheral.
Messi vs Ronaldo in their National Teams
Explore the epic showdown between Messi and Cristiano: goals, assists, averages, and more. A deep dive into the stats that define their legacy.
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I could cop Ronaldo being labelled the GOAT Goalscorer, I think that would be entirely fair and difficult to argue with, but as a complete package no one comes remotely close to Messi.
As an aside, I think the idea of an overarching goat of everything all time is a bit silly. I think best of your generation is basically as good as it gets, and for me there's been no one close to Messi in this time when evaluating the bigger picture. There's a reason that his fellow professionals all gush over him - not sure there's higher praise than your peers almost unanimously anointing you as the guy.